shoddy battle team

[EPIC PHAILURE]

rate away, needs lots of work I think...

Crobat (♂) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 40 HP/252 Atk/218 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Whirlwind
- Substitute
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Poliwrath (♂) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk/6 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Belly Drum
- Waterfall
- Substitute
- Brick Break
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Cloyster (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 252 HP/120 Atk/110 Def/4 Spd/24 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Explosion
- Avalanche
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
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Houndoom (♂) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
- Fire Blast
- Substitute
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Sceptile (♂) @ Petaya Berry
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Energy Ball
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power [Ice]
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Bastiodon (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/60 Def/196 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Metal Burst
- Toxic
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[evilcheese]

rate away, needs lots of work I think...

Crobat (♂) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 40 HP/252 Atk/218 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Whirlwind
- Substitute

looks good. although you might need to get a second opinion
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Poliwrath (♂) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk/6 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Belly Drum
- Waterfall
- Substitute
- Brick Break

looks ok
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Cloyster (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 252 HP/120 Atk/136 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Explosion
- Avalanche
- Spikes
- rapid spin
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Houndoom (♂) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dark Pulse
- Nasty Plot
- Fire Blast
- Substitute

looks good
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Sceptile (♂) @ Petaya Berry
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Energy Ball
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power [Ice]

dont know about the item
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Bastiodon (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/ 6 Atk
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Metal Burst/curse
- stone edge

earthquake is a pain
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changes in bold. this team lacks a special wall and a cleric

 

[Dark Azelf]

Bastiodon is awful as a wall, seriously it dies to 3 common types, Water, Fighting and Ground, which means the most common move in the game earthquake and Cloyster also dies to fighting. Also your entire team get destroyed by Heracross unfortunately. Maybe get something to stop that such as weezing or Gliscor and get a good special wall for goodness sake, Bastiodon is not a good sp. wall.

 

[shedinjask]

Bastiodon does not die to water.

I'd replace Cloyster with Light Screen Claydol, and Bastiodon with Weezing.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Bastiodon does not die to water.

I'd replace Cloyster with Light Screen Claydol, and Bastiodon with Weezing.

Why ? its rock aswell. Which means it dies to water, in turn doing squat with its poor attack and getting surfed over and over again.

 

[EPIC PHAILURE]

how is my team destroyed by heracross when crobat lols at megahorn and close combat and ohkos hera with brave bird
bastiodon's fighting and ground weaknesses are covered by crobat, also bastiodon can use metal burst when I predict surf
I'll consider spin on cloyster...

 

[sims796]

how is my team destroyed by heracross when crobat lols at megahorn and close combat and ohkos hera with brave bird
bastiodon's fighting and ground weaknesses are covered by crobat, also bastiodon can use metal burst when I predict surf
I'll consider spin on cloyster...

First off, Hera also uses Stone Edge, ruining Crobat.

Second, just because Crobat resist fighting moves, doesn't mean he can survive them. Crobat is not a wall. While I'm at it, your threat isn't a Fighting type or a Ground type, it's fighting & ground type MOVES. What will you do when Electrivire comes out?

Lastly, Metal Burst is useless if you cannot SURVIVE the Surf. Metalm Burst won't help you survive.

 

[Dark Azelf]

how is my team destroyed by heracross when crobat lols at megahorn and close combat and ohkos hera with brave bird
bastiodon's fighting and ground weaknesses are covered by crobat, also bastiodon can use metal burst when I predict surf
I'll consider spin on cloyster...

Heracross has Stone Edge and if you switch Crobat into it its dead, any smart player would predict that you will switch it in.


So tell me, what is bastiodon when it comes up against a Taunt Gyarados with Waterfall ?

Also Timid Choice Specs Starmie does

Defender HP: 324
Damage: 298 - 351
Damage: 91.98% - 108.33%

To your Careful 252 hp / 196 sp.def Bastiodon with Hydro pump, thats not the sort of damage you take and call yourself "a wall". if you actually survive and metal burst it back, your sp.wall is wrecked. Also if you switch in on some spikes its a ohko.

 

[Syaoran]

A smart player would also predict if he'll be using Stone Edge and keep his Bastiodon in. Not every team needs a Weezing / Gliscor to deal with Heracross.

I would suggest giving a more defensive build as it 1HKOs many of the common threats anyway with Brave Bird (Infernape, Heracross, Breloom). Lum berry is excellent against scarfed sleep inducers (usually the dreaded Roserade).

Crobat (♂) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 218 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Taunt
- Roost

Belly Drum Poliwrath sounds good but in the current metagame there are so many revenge killers that will outspeed him even after a salac boost, so I would recommend a more standard Focus Punch set.

Poliwrath (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Ice Punch / Waterfall
- Hypnosis / Waterfall

Sceptile and Houndoom seem ok. I don't get Cloyster and Bastiodon, it doesn't look like a stall team.

 

[Dark Azelf]

A smart player would also predict if he'll be using Stone Edge and keep his Bastiodon in. Not every team needs a Weezing / Gliscor to deal with Heracross.

I would suggest giving a more defensive build as it 1HKOs many of the common threats anyway with Brave Bird (Infernape, Heracross, Breloom). Lum berry is excellent against scarfed sleep inducers (usually the dreaded Roserade).

Crobat (♂) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 218 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Taunt
- Roost

Belly Drum Poliwrath sounds good but in the current metagame there are so many revenge killers that will outspeed him even after a salac boost, so I would recommend a more standard Focus Punch set.

Poliwrath (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Ice Punch / Waterfall
- Hypnosis / Waterfall

Sceptile and Houndoom seem ok. I don't get Cloyster and Bastiodon, it doesn't look like a stall team.

And if he keeps Bastiodon in whats it gonna do to hera ?.

Its not just Heracross though, its Electivire, your two prime walls cant cope with it, much less the rest of the team.

 

[EPIC PHAILURE]

Crobat (♂) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 218 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Taunt
- Roost

I'm going to try this, thanks.

also I dont use cloyster only for spiking but also for taking out something like gyara with explosion.
I thought the only ones that will outspeed poliwrath after salac boost are +speed jolteon, crobat, aerodactyl, electrode and ninjask, but I'll consider focus punch, thank you Syaoran.

 

[Anti]

Cloyster needs special defense EVs (no, that wasn't a typo). You'd be amazed at how much some SDef will help its survivability.

EDIT: Vire does murder this team though, as does heracross, scarf or CB.

 

[Syaoran]

Well I guess Cloyster is fine, Bastiodon is completely out of place tho. You should consider a pokemon who takes hits well, and a ground type, maybe Swampert - in case Cloyster dies and you need to take out dragons. Mixpert ftw.

Swampert (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 212 Def / 56 Sp.Atk
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Surf
- Stealth Rock / Toxic / Roar

 

[Anti]

Rest is nice on mixpert too :P

Bastiodon needs to be replaced with something like Dusknoir, since it actually stands a chance against heracross. Watch out for WoWing it (guts FTL) and pursuit/night slash.

 

[Samson]

sub + lum berry? umm eww. give the guy roost and taunt already.

if you want belly drum to work, use poliwhirl. it's more suited to outrun threats w/ berry boost. replace brick break for rock slide. water + rock has much better coverage.

the sp def on cloyster is pointless. without max sp def + a beneficial nature, it's not going to be taking special hits any better. just stick with hp + atk evs.

your only reliable blissey counter is poliwrath, and he gets taken out by physical walls if he doesn't have damp to prevent them from exploding in his face.

all bastiodon can do really is switch in on draco meteor/outrage and roar switch-ins that are damaged by stealth rock/spikes. toxic spikes is pretty much pointless if your pokemon can't even stall. i suggest you go with this for bastiodon's moveset: Substitute/Protect/Roar/xxx. the last slot could be taunt or stealth rock. with this moveset, it can set a sub, protect when something tries to damage it and continue to protect itself until toxic spikes takes its toll on the opponents. if they try to set up, then roar them away. if it's a staller, taunt them and bring in the right counter.

 

[shedinjask]

Weak to something != dies to it. Bastiodon can take Water attacks thanks to sexcellent defenses.

Second, just because Crobat resist fighting moves, doesn't mean he can survive them.

A 4x resist goes a long way. Gengar can take Megahorns. Ariados can take Close Combats. Crobat can take both.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Weak to something != dies to it. Bastiodon can take Water attacks thanks to sexcellent defenses.



A 4x resist goes a long way. Gengar can take Megahorns. Ariados can take Close Combats. Crobat can take both.

But a predicted stone edge wrecks Ariados, Gengar and Crobat.

Surf from Timid non specs Starmie 2hkos Bastiodon. Hydro pump from modest standard specs star OHkos it, Specs mence's Hydro pump 2hko's it, Milotic 2hkos it, Kingdra 2hkos it, specs Kingdra ohkos it, suicune rapes it as does ludicolo and empoleon and even Octillery and Omastar owns it, i could go on, so no it cant take water attacks to save its life, dont even say "metal burst it back" thats not exactly walling is it ??. Aura Spheres Focus Blasts, Earthpowers all special moves and all own it and it calls itself a special wall ??. OHKO's and 2hko is not a wall its a failure, its just got too poor a typing to be a wall. Just because it has great defenses it doesn't make it a good wall, walls must have good typing and resistances aswell, something Bastiodon doesnt have. Its the same typing as Aggron, would you ever use that as a physical wall because it has good defense ? No. Fighting ,water and Ground moves still rip it a new one, in fact a new 3 regardless of its defenses.

 

[Towlie]

But a predicted stone edge wrecks Ariados, Gengar and Crobat.

Surf from Timid non specs Starmie 2hkos Bastiodon. Hydro pump from modest standard specs star OHkos it, Specs mence's Hydro pump 2hko's it, Milotic 2hkos it, Kingdra 2hkos it, specs Kingdra ohkos it, suicune rapes it as does ludicolo and empoleon and even Octillery and Omastar owns it, i could go on, so no it cant take water attacks to save its life, dont even say "metal burst it back" thats not exactly walling is it ??. Aura Spheres Focus Blasts, Earthpowers all special moves and all own it and it calls itself a special wall ??. OHKO's and 2hko is not a wall its a failure, its just got too poor a typing to be a wall. Just because it has great defenses it doesn't make it a good wall, walls must have good typing and resistances aswell, something Bastiodon doesnt have. Its the same typing as Aggron, would you ever use that as a physical wall because it has good defense ? No. Fighting ,water and Ground moves still rip it a new one, in fact a new 3 regardless of its defenses.

The person using Heracross isn't the only one who can make predictions. Seriously. If you make a wrong prediction, you can easily get set up on. For example: Heracross switches into Sceptile. Sceptile switches to Bastiodon to take barely anything from Megahorn. Bastiodon knows Heracross is going to switch, so he proceeds to getting a free Stealth Rock in, or even Toxic the incoming pokemon. And yes, Crobat is a Hera counter. Pokemon that aren't normally walls can counter Heracross. A double resist to both of Heracross' STAB attacks is pretty nice to have. Even if Hera does predict right and Stone Edge on a Crobat Switch, there's no possibility of a miss?

 

[Dark Azelf]

The person using Heracross isn't the only one who can make predictions. Seriously. If you make a wrong prediction, you can easily get set up on. For example: Heracross switches into Sceptile. Sceptile switches to Bastiodon to take barely anything from Megahorn. Bastiodon knows Heracross is going to switch, so he proceeds to getting a free Stealth Rock in, or even Toxic the incoming pokemon. And yes, Crobat is a Hera counter. Pokemon that aren't normally walls can counter Heracross. A double resist to both of Heracross' STAB attacks is pretty nice to have. Even if Hera does predict right and Stone Edge on a Crobat Switch, there's no possibility of a miss?

A definition of a counter is something that can switch in safely to, which Crobat unfortunately cannot do on a Stone Edge, thats what i was getting at.You shouldnt rely on a 20% chance that Stone Edge will miss said Crobat.

Also why would you megahorn Sceptile when you full well know that they pack a Bastiodon and a Crobat ?


Its not just Hera, its Electivire, if it was just Heracross it wouldnt be so bad.

EDIT: like Previously said Dusknoir would fit in here well.

 

[shedinjask]

Wow, that much? I could've sworn Bastiodon had better defenses than that. Maybe I was thinking of Probopass.

Yeah, definately Probopass. Modest Specs Starmie's Hydro Pump isn't a OHKO. Sometimes. Go Probopass!

Also why would you megahorn Sceptile when you full well know that they pack a Bastiodon and a Crobat ?

Overprediction? It's like Primeape fitting in UU: No solid counter, but the wide selection of counters to one or two moves makes it counterable. As long as you're good at prediction, you're fine.

Crobat will survive Adamant Scarfcross Stone Edge most of the time, but it fails if hit by SR. 88 HP EVs guarentees survival at full health; since it's Scarfross you won't outspeed to KO or Roost but it's handy if you make a mistake and can live with around 3 HP. Either way you're going to need Roost if it's taking CB Megahorns.