shoddy battle team

Your Team is CM Raikou weak . After it sets up its very hard to stop it.
 
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shedinjask said:
Wow, that much? I could've sworn Bastiodon had better defenses than that. Maybe I was thinking of Probopass.

Yeah, definately Probopass. Modest Specs Starmie's Hydro Pump isn't a OHKO. Sometimes. Go Probopass!



Overprediction? It's like Primeape fitting in UU: No solid counter, but the wide selection of counters to one or two moves makes it counterable. As long as you're good at prediction, you're fine.

Crobat will survive Adamant Scarfcross Stone Edge most of the time, but it fails if hit by SR. 88 HP EVs guarentees survival at full health; since it's Scarfross you won't outspeed to KO or Roost but it's handy if you make a mistake and can live with around 3 HP. Either way you're going to need Roost if it's taking CB Megahorns.
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Wait WTF? For the sake of arguement, I compared what an Adamant Max ATK Hera's Stone Edge will do to a max DEF Crobat.

Min=196.00

All I need is min.

Please guys, Crobat is not meant to take hits for the team. That doesn't even sound right when said out loud. If CROBAT is trying to take the hits that a WALL cannot, then there's a problem with the team. If the wall is suspectible to an 2/OHKO, but it can't really fight back, there's a problem.
 
well its all about prediction. Like Syaoran said, not every team needs a gliscor or weezing to deal with hera. When I predict CC or megahorn, I switch to crobat taking about 30% damage and KO it. Also starmie is more often used as a spinner with more defensive spread, so bastiodon takes about 40% damage from surf and ohkos with metal burst(happened three times today...). Or I can switch to sceptile and destroy starmie with energy ball. Every team is weak if the trainer doesn't predict well. And you are right, vire actually does murder my team <_<
 
EPIC PHAILURE said:
well its all about prediction. Like Syaoran said, not every team needs a gliscor or weezing to deal with hera. When I predict CC or megahorn, I switch to crobat taking about 30% damage and KO it. Also starmie is more often used as a spinner with more defensive spread, so bastiodon takes about 40% damage from surf and ohkos with metal burst(happened three times today...). Or I can switch to sceptile and destroy starmie with energy ball. Every team is weak if the trainer doesn't predict well. And you are right, vire actually does murder my team <_<
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That doesn't cover your weaknesses. Not prediction alone. You must take into account that your opponent can also predict.

Also, that must've been some shabby Starmie. When you switch to Sceptile, I can switch to Mence, & eat up Energy Ball. Then, while you switch again, I'll use Dragon Dance, ruining your next wall.

Get it? You shouldn't need to rely on switching so much. That will eventually cause your downfall. Prediction can only go so far.


EDIT: I ran some calculations. A maxed EV'ed, Modest Starmie's Surf on a Max EV'ed, Calm Bastidon.

Min:167.29

All I need is min.

There is a bigger chance that you're Bastidon has even LESS SP.DEF than the one I used for this example, which had the very max.

If THAT can't survive, then your Bas surely won't.
 
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Nice team, but Ive found that if you're running offensive moves on bastiodon you need to give him curse. I was also going to sugeest you need more defense EVs to cope with the ever-common EQ, but cursing would also cover that.
 
EPIC PHAILURE said:
well its all about prediction. Like Syaoran said, not every team needs a gliscor or weezing to deal with hera. When I predict CC or megahorn, I switch to crobat taking about 30% damage and KO it. Also starmie is more often used as a spinner with more defensive spread, so bastiodon takes about 40% damage from surf and ohkos with metal burst(happened three times today...). Or I can switch to sceptile and destroy starmie with energy ball. Every team is weak if the trainer doesn't predict well. And you are right, vire actually does murder my team <_<
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Actually its common to see both CS Starmie and RS Starmie. And who in their right mind would keep Starmie in on Sceptile when its faster than you bring in Crobat and 4x resist his Energy ball.
 
ultranerd57 said:
Actually its common to see both CS Starmie and RS Starmie. And who in their right mind would keep Starmie in on Sceptile when its faster than you bring in Crobat and 4x resist his Energy ball.
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Im sure Sceptile is faster than Starmie.

*Goes to check Serebii*

Yeah sceptile max speed is 372 and starmies is 361 and people usually run Modest on specs star aswell. Unless "CS" means choice scarf starmie and in which case yeah Starmie would be faster than Sceptile.
 
but you guys have to be realistic. starmies rarely ever have modest nature and choice specs.

if you guys are trying to get him to ditch his bastiodon, it's not going to happen. but epic, i'm very disappointed you didn't even read my post ._.

also, i just noticed you have no defense against agiligross. shame =/ your team is able to take out electivire considering you have no electric moves to make use of its ability, but once metagross doubles its speed against this team, you're pretty much screwed.

cloyster will be able to take a hit from gross, but none of its moves hurt him. maybe you should consider CB + payback so it can do some revenge damage and then attempt to finish it off with u-turns from crobat. it's a long shot tho.
 
sims796 said:
Wait WTF? For the sake of arguement, I compared what an Adamant Max ATK Hera's Stone Edge will do to a max DEF Crobat.

Min=196.00

All I need is min.
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Seriously? I got 87.85% - 103.43% from max Attk Adamant Hera's Stone Edge to 40 HP Crobat. What calculator are you using?

Crobat can take some hits, but if you want it to be semi-effective give it 252 HP and Roost.

If you must use a Steel/Rock, use Probopass. And try bulky!Zapdos over Houndoom.

Also, that must've been some shabby Starmie. When you switch to Sceptile, I can switch to Mence, & eat up Energy Ball. Then, while you switch again, I'll use Dragon Dance, ruining your next wall.
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Except Sceppy is faster and knows HP Ice.
 
Psypokes.

Even if, with only 85 Base Def, against a super effective 125 base ATK, my calculations seemss more sound. ONLY 87.85% doesn't sound right.
 
Lol Psypokes? I wouldn't trust precise damage calculations to a site that still has Salamence listed in their dex as learning Belly Drum. Try Metalkid's.
 
Samson said:
but you guys have to be realistic. starmies rarely ever have modest nature and choice specs.
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Modest specs star is standard and very common, it doesnt need to outrun Gengar like its Rapid Spinning cousin, and its base sp.att is good but not the best and needs as much power as it can get, hence why you see modest on specs mence and Adamant on Choice Band Heracross etc, it looses alot of power with a + speed nature it doesnt necessarily need and Tyranitar who, thanks to the Special Defense boost granted to it by Sandstream, will never be OHKOed by a MODEST 328 SpA Choice Specs Surf even at its standard 342HP/236Sp.Def (4EVs/min)(Surf will do 83-98%), since its SpD is actually effectively 354.If Modest cant guarantee a ohko Timid definately isnt, however if T-Tar takes residual damage it is ohkod by Modest and not timid, this is why modest is preferred and why you see more and more starmie packing Hydro pump just for T-Tar.If you dont run modest your left to the mercy of Revenge kills with Pursuit and Crunch.
 
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i didn't say specs/modest starmie wasn't viable. i was saying it's not common. it's not that big of an argument to try to get this guy to get rid of that crappy bastiodon.

i use specs starmie myself and i much prefer it to the ACTUAL standard, that being timid, speed variations of starmie.
 
actually I dont need "that crappy bastiodon" that much, I picked him for stealth rock. His weaknesses are covered by crobat so he seems a good choice to me, though. But I'm going to find something to replace him - maybe claydol with stealth rock and spin?
 
Better. But keep looking-keep your options open.

As I said, if Crobat is taking hits for your team that your WALL cannot, there is a problem. Especially popular moves like EQ & Close Combat.
 
Light Screen Claydol is a good team player. Be sure to run Ice Beam, it really helps for dragons who are like 'lolfreesetup'.
 
Lol , Hera Stone Edge did 196 Min because it was against a Max Def Crobat.
 
Nope. It was a 40 HP no Def neutral Crobat. Try it yourself.
 
EPIC PHAILURE said:
actually I dont need "that crappy bastiodon" that much, I picked him for stealth rock. His weaknesses are covered by crobat so he seems a good choice to me, though. But I'm going to find something to replace him - maybe claydol with stealth rock and spin?
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you need Taunt on Bastardon Bastiodon to make it work =x

guh err ee aah ooohh... u need a Baton Passer or a special wall.

And also get rid of Toxic Spikes on Cloyster. It would activate a lot of pokemon's abilities like Heracross and Machamp's Guts and Milotic's Marvel Scale. T.T And Aromatherapy from Blissey ruins it.
 
Seriously Bastiodon is not really a good option in your team because it lets Gyara set up too easily .
 
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