Shoddy Team- Revised and Remade

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So, do you think Metagross is the weakest link on my team? And thanks for the set. I'll use it ;D

 

[Lalapizzame]

So, do you think Metagross is the weakest link on my team? And thanks for the set. I'll use it ;D

It seems like it was the weakest Physical sweeper when you already have 2 other ones, you could use the space for a Special Sweeper by kicking Metagross out. =/ The 5 other pokemon were fine though. =D

 

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Well, I replaced Vaporeon with Tentacruel so I get Toxic Spikes support as well as much needed Rapid Spin support. It also counters Mixape nicely.

Now for another problem; DDTar or CBTar?

 

[Ársa]

Your team isn't liking Mixape. :( Stealth Rock damage and Grass Knot/Thunderpunch is a problem. Unfortunately, removing something else to more bolster the problem will open up weaknesses in other places. Vappy is a good choice, just make sure that the opponent doesn't have a Mixape before you allow it to be damaged too severly. (As I'm sure you already know. :P)

~T_S

 

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I switched Vappy for Tentacruel since it counters Mixape better and can Spin away spikes and set up some of it's own.

 

[Ársa]

I would also like to see Ice Beam over Crunch on your T-Tar. Hippowdon leads hate it, as do Specsmence. Gliscor is also nullified to an extent, assuming you can survive an Earthquake. (Not sure on that, but I think you would rather it switches in)

Pursuit should be more than enough, it still OHKO's Gengar and Azelf etc, even if they don't switch.

~T_S

 

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I don't really fear Hippowdon or Specsmence. Specsmence will outspeed me anyway, and Stone Edge does a beefy amount of damage even with Intimidation in account.

And Crunch does a nice amount of damage to things like Bronzong (2HKO, OHKO if a critical hit) I prefer it over Ice Beam.

 

[Anti]

I would also like to see Ice Beam over Crunch on your T-Tar. Hippowdon leads hate it, as do Specsmence. Gliscor is also nullified to an extent, assuming you can survive an Earthquake. (Not sure on that, but I think you would rather it switches in)

Pursuit should be more than enough, it still OHKO's Gengar and Azelf etc, even if they don't switch.

~T_S

CBtar without Crunch is nothing short of a joke (come on, Cresselia walls you - now that's sad for something with 134 base attack holding a Choice Band with a Dark STAB).

Honestly I don't find Pursuit useful. Nobody even switches their pokemon out since Pursuit is so common, so you can easily Crunch that Celebi or Cresselia to bits. Hippowdon is going to wall you anyways, and being stuck on Ice Beam coming off a weak special attack stat (for a sweeper's standards) and giving a lot of pretty terrifying stuff a free switch-in (think SDluke and even Heracross).

I must also ask what MixApe EVER uses Thunderpunch (or any Infernape for that matter)?

I must ALSO ask you KT...since when is CBtar a surprise? It has mostly the same counters as the DDer anyways so stuff expecting DDtar probably isn't going to care a whole lot about CBtar being your set, if they are surprised at all.

This team also suffers from weakness to Luvdisc leads, who Rain Dance up on Tyranitar and poison it with Toxic!

EDIT: Wait, people actually switch SpecsMence into Tyranitar? Seriously, even Bulky Salamence gets demolished by CB Stone Edge >_<

 

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CBtar without Crunch is nothing short of a joke (come on, Cresselia walls you - now that's sad for something with 134 base attack holding a Choice Band with a Dark STAB).

Honestly I don't find Pursuit useful. Nobody even switches their pokemon out since Pursuit is so common, so you can easily Crunch that Celebi or Cresselia to bits. Hippowdon is going to wall you anyways, and being stuck on Ice Beam coming off a weak special attack stat (for a sweeper's standards) and giving a lot of pretty terrifying stuff a free switch-in (think SDluke and even Heracross).

I must also ask what MixApe EVER uses Thunderpunch (or any Infernape for that matter)?

I must ALSO ask you KT...since when is CBtar a surprise? It has mostly the same counters as the DDer anyways so stuff expecting DDtar probably isn't going to care a whole lot about CBtar being your set, if they are surprised at all.

This team also suffers from weakness to Luvdisc leads, who Rain Dance up on Tyranitar and poison it with Toxic!

EDIT: Wait, people actually switch SpecsMence into Tyranitar?

Not many expect CBTar. They expect DDer, and with DDer, there is usually Taunt involved. But I can see your point.

I dislike Pursuit. I hardly ever use it. Is there a better choice that goes over Pursuit? Aerial Ace? Focus Punch? Need opinions plesh.

 

[Aquilae]

AERIAL ACE 2HKOS MACHAMP!

Just use Pursuit, it allows you to beat up Azelfs and other stuff as well. Pursuit can change the whole momentum of the match being able to KO weak pokemon. With Blissey now losing Wish and dropping Protect on a whole CBtar can easily smack it with Pursuit doing ~40% if it stays in and ~80% if it switches out.

EDIT: Who the heck switches Specsmence into Tyranitar?

 

[Anti]

Why would they expect DDtar when it can't even sweep in the early game? That makes no sense.

You have a Dugtrio weakness of the century there. A whopping 5 pokemon are taken out by it, four more realistically (seeing as an unboosted Extremespeed from Lucario would shave about half its health off and Blissey's Ice Beam would do the rest, so one of them would survive).

Tentacruel, Tyranitar, and Heatran are all hopeless against it, easily being OHKOed. Blissey loses too, but can weaken it enough that Lucario can take it out with Extremespeed. Still, losing 4 pokemon obviously is going to destroy you. I'd try Scarf Tran to help with that, and maybe go back to Vaporeon >>> Tentacruel.

 

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Team is updated. Made a lot of changes and I hope they're for the best.

 

[Aquilae]

Taunt is near useless on DDtar as you are sacrificing a great STAB move, Stone Edge, just to deal with these pokemon. Skarm cannot threaten you and would be forced to Whirlwind giving you an opportunity to damage Skarm further.

I don't like the Garchomp weakness. Garchomp completely obliterates your team. Even with Ice Fang on Gliscor (which you currently do not have), and Ice Beam on Swampert those two would fail to OHKO it. Heatran can revenge-kill it but mostly this threat isn't covered well.

EDIT: In my battle with you I noticed that you have a really gaping Mamoswine weakness. Simply put, EQ hits and 1-2HKOs everything in your team - Blissey provides free switchins all the time and sending in Heatran on Mamo makes it quite obvious that it is Scarfed (or that it has Shuca Berry), which would discourage Mamo from staying in.

 

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Is there anything that can counter both Mamo and Chomp that makes a pretty good lead? Or will one of my guys have to go?

And Taunt kind of protects Tar from status moves and phazing.

 

[Anti]

It's not a good lead, but Cresselia (and also Mesprit) counter Garchomp and Mamoswine. I wouldn't really stress yourself out over getting a good lead...it isn't that big of a deal.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure Aquilae is aware of Taunt's function you know ;/ DDtar is for late-game stuff anyways...you never even need to Taunt if you play it right.

 

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Is Mesprit an inferior Cress? Because from my battles, Cress is a beast.

What about Suicune? It has the coverage (Ice and water, pretty beastly)

 

[Aquilae]

Why would you want to protect yourself against status anyway? The statusers that would otherwise beat DDtar either get outsped or 2HKOed even after WoW.

And in that similar vein, why would you bother about PHazing at all? Swampert would be much more inclined to EQ and Skarm would Whirlwind regardless, taking significant damage.

 

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Whirlwind can really mess stuff up with Tar. Is Stone Edge really more useful?

 

[Anti]

Suicune has Mamoswine problems in general. Earthquake really hammers it and Mamo is faster than most Suicune. Suicune is also hit by Garchomp's more powerful STAB. Bulky floating psychic go

In case you miss my edit, Taunt is an epic waste on DDtar. Just focus on hitting things hard instead of getting overprotective of a DDer.

EDIT: PHazers will probably be gone in the late game anyways and things are just going to attack DDtar instead of trying to mess around with arguably the most powerful force in OUs.

 

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Everyday people kill Smogon's movesets. Gotta fix these things

So, if I go Cress > Swampert, what could make a decent lead?