Should marijuana be legalized?

[FreakyLocz14]

I find it interesting that both candidates for Governor as well as Senate oppose Prop 19. I would think the Dems would support it.

 

[Nicktacular]

I believe that if legalized that will be the exact case. I see it as another alcohol that's as abundant as cigarettes. People will use it often and most likely irresponsibility.

 

[Surmonter]

I find it interesting that both candidates for Governor as well as Senate oppose Prop 19. I would think the Dems would support it.

Why? More conservatives actually support the bill because it will make the government a little bit smaller.

I believe that if legalized that will be the exact case. I see it as another alcohol that's as abundant as cigarettes. People will use it often and most likely irresponsibility.

Yeah, and everyone who said what you said in places where it is legalized, they have all been proven wrong.

 

[Nicktacular]

Where has it been legalized?

 

[Surmonter]

Where has it been legalized?

The Netherlands is the most liberal towards the use of it. But places like Belgium, Spain, Israel, Russian, and more have a bit more complicated laws.

In Israel, it's illegal, but police don't care if you smoke it. They won't arrest you for possession or actual usage at all. Kind of like how in the U.S. Police wont give you a ticket if you're speeding just by 1-5 (or 1-10 depending on how nice they are) over the limit.

In Belgium, it technically is legal but it has a lot of heavy restrictions.

In Denmark, the law still says that it's illegal. However, the general public is very tolerant of the usage so they are trying to change it.

In Spain, it's only illegal if you have so much. Same for Mexico.

In Portugal, it's legal but there are limitations on how much you can have a day.

In Russia, it's only illegal if you have so much. Consumption is not punishable at all.

In Turkey, Cannabis (the plant weed comes from) is allowed to be cultivated, but not used for drugs.

In Uruguay, they have no laws against consumption.

There are more, but I am getting lazy.

 

[ThatKidMike]

Why? More conservatives actually support the bill because it will make the government a little bit smaller.


Yeah, and everyone who said what you said in places where it is legalized, they have all been proven wrong.

Places where its been legalized have not faced the same scenario the US faces. Not to mention the society is different, not to mention weed is already massively popular here, which is quite different than nations that have legalized it.

 

[Surmonter]

Places where its been legalized have not faced the same scenario the US faces. Not to mention the society is different, not to mention weed is already massively popular here, which is quite different than nations that have legalized it.

What "scenario" is this? That is a very broad statement.

 

[Constantinople]

I believe that if legalized that will be the exact case. I see it as another alcohol that's as abundant as cigarettes. People will use it often and most likely irresponsibility.

There is absolutely no evidence to support that

 

[Nicktacular]

Almost all the places you mentioned said it was illegal, and the places that it was legal aren't really the best examples

Also Constant that was my opinion.

 

[Surmonter]

Almost all the places you mentioned said it was illegal, and the places that it was legal aren't really the best examples

No it didn't.

Why are you even posting here if you're just going to fake-debate your way through? Don't post here if you're not even going to be serious. Actually read.

Almost all the places you mentioned said it was illegal, and the places that it was legal aren't really the best examples

Also Constant that was my opinion.

So? In a debate, you post your opinions. You also back them up with facts. You don't just go, "THIS IS WHAT I THINK. OH WHY? BECAUSE IT IS!" No one will read your posts then.

 

[Constantinople]

Almost all the places you mentioned said it was illegal, and the places that it was legal aren't really the best examples

Also Constant that was my opinion.

You can't use opinions to support your argument unless you have something to support your opinion. That prediction had no evidence to support it.

 

[Nicktacular]

In Israel, it's illegal, but police don't care if you smoke it. They won't arrest you for possession or actual usage at all. Kind of like how in the U.S. Police wont give you a ticket if you're speeding just by 1-5 (or 1-10 depending on how nice they are) over the limit.

Illegal

In Denmark, the law still says that it's illegal. However, the general public is very tolerant of the usage so they are trying to change it.

Illegal

In Belgium, it technically is legal but it has a lot of heavy restrictions.

HEAVY RESTRICTIONS, not the case in America

In Spain, it's only illegal if you have so much. Same for Mexico.

Not really the type of countries that i want america to be like.

In Portugal, it's legal but there are limitations on how much you can have a day.

Daily limits, not to be the case in America

In Russia, it's only illegal if you have so much. Consumption is not punishable at all.

Yea, lets be like russia it's not like we have been warring with them forever over beliefs

In Turkey, Cannabis (the plant weed comes from) is allowed to be cultivated, but not used for drugs.

Illegal

In Uruguay, they have no laws against consumption.

No laws equal not caring, also south america is a terrible place compared to the U.S.


I was giving my reason for caring, if you want reasoning then look around you. people abuse substances everyday and everyday someone dies because someone on said substances is doing something irresponsible. why would you want to give those people another excuse, and not to mention (for just about the ninth time) weed is a gateway drug(please refer to my post on the gateway effect).

 

[Constantinople]

I was giving my reason for caring, if you want reasoning then look around you. people abuse substances everyday and everyday someone dies because someone on said substances is doing something irresponsible. why would you want to give those people another excuse, and not to mention (for just about the ninth time) weed is a gateway drug.

I'll ignore the illegal/legal thing in other countries since I didn't bring that up, despite the fact that several of the countries you cited as "illegal" were clearly outlined as having legal marijuana usage under certain conditions.

And it has been explained multiple times by multiple people that marijuana is a gateway drug because it is illegal.

 

[Nicktacular]

Please read my post on the gateway effect, and i don't have illegal on countries with stipulations.

 

[Melody]

Nicktacular, none of the arguments you've put forth have been backed by any sorts of fact. Therefore your view on this is invalid and cannot be argued further.
Do not reply or rebut my post, do not whine, you have been proven wrong in about 15 different ways throughout this entire thread.

Pot is not very harmful to the body, so it's pointless to ban it. If we unban it, we win a major battle in the war on drugs, because we stop funding the organized crime syndicates as much, and we cut down on incidences where the drug dealer, being a salesman by nature, gets someone hooked on a harder drug by giving samples. Marijuana has been proven to have several positive medicinal effects, and has been difficult for doctors to implement because it's banned in most places, which is a crying shame. Overdoses are almost impossible, because it's not toxic to the body in the way that alcohol is. It's effects are likely to be the same of smoking a cigarette, and those side effects take ~10-20 years of usage to ever show up. Every time people bring this subject up, none of the people who oppose it can answer this question appropriately: "Why not?"

Seriously, all of the reasons that people don't want to legalize marijuana are nothing but pathetic excuses for excuses. Your arguments against it's legalization through this entire thread is pathetic at best, and just plain abysmal at worst. If you can come back with some verifiable facts, maybe some sources to cite, then I invite you to try defending your viewpoint again. If you can't do that, then why waste your time? You won't convince us, and continuing to argue like that can be considered trolling, depending on the moderator's discretion.

Seriously, this topic has a lot of potential for good discussion, but we don't need uninformed people who are too lazy to back their arguments in here if they intend to argue their idea in more than 3 posts.

 

[Spinor]

Now THAT makes sense Pachy.

But... what makes you think we won't think you're uninformed. You yourself have no sources D:

That's like... Being a Trollene, but with a dash of intelligence.

 

[Surmonter]

Illegal

Illegal

HEAVY RESTRICTIONS, not the case in America

Not really the type of countries that i want america to be like.

Daily limits, not to be the case in America

Yea, lets be like russia it's not like we have been warring with them forever over beliefs

Illegal

No laws equal not caring, also south america is a terrible place compared to the U.S.


I was giving my reason for caring, if you want reasoning then look around you. people abuse substances everyday and everyday someone dies because someone on said substances is doing something irresponsible. why would you want to give those people another excuse, and not to mention (for just about the ninth time) weed is a gateway drug(please refer to my post on the gateway effect).

You just proved to everyone here you have no idea what you're talking about. Thank you for saying what I have already been doing.

 

[Nicktacular]

I feel very attacked right now, almost non of the people arguing against me have given any evidence or sources. I have yet to be proven wrong in my beliefs. i have backed my reasoning with facts that are irrefutable. I have given several reasons of "why not" it just seems that people just chose to ignore me.

Except about the Spain and Mexico thing, that might just be personal belief.

i don't think the arguement of it's "ok if no one cares" is very sturdy or would be smart to do in America. also the counties that have it legalized have stricter rules on the subject, which according to the initial post will not be the case

 

[Constantinople]

Please read my post on the gateway effect, and i don't have illegal on countries with stipulations.

Still not convinced about the gateway effect, that really didn't have sufficient evidence. And you did lol. I see that edit timestamp.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

Personally, marijuana and alcohol are the only drugs I don't have problems with. I wouldn't have a problem with tobacco if they didn't add all the stuff to it.

Marijuana isn't physically addictive. It is mentally addictive, but so is food.
Marijuana actually has health benefits.

Marijuana should be treated a lot like alcohol. They should find a way to determine how much you smoked recently, like a breathalyser for weed, then legalize it.

It should be for anyone 18+ (so should alcohol.)

If you drive high, you will face the same consequences as if you drove drunk because it's just as dangerous.

Plus, the reason it became illegal in the first place is not because it's a drug. It's because it out-produce wood in paper-based products, so the wood and paper companies lobbied to get it banned so they wouldn't lose money.

It being illegal wont stop people from doing it. Might as well legalize it and tax it. Same for prostitution.

Also, all the stuff Nicktacular posted is bs. Look at the countries that legalized it, everything Nick said that would happen, didn't.

I see where you're coming from. The high amount of people who do marijuana and without getting caught is proof of marijuana prohibition's failure. What is has succeeded in doing is bankrupting California and overcrowding our jails and prisons with "criminals" whose only crime was recreational marijuana use.

I can't say the same for prostitution. Underage children have been forced in prostitution and abused by pimps. Also, prostitution aids in the spread of sexuallly transmitted diseases.