Should we keep the Rep-System?

[Kyogre-chan]

Seriously you can't ask people to vote for you in a rep point can you?

I think you mean "bribe", and bribing people in the election would normally mean the end of your campaign. But, I'm not in charge, so it's not my place to say.

I got told I'd be booted out if I PMed people and asked..

Booted out, as in, banned? Who told you that? They have no right in doing so. Yes, PMing random people results in disqualification, but a ban is just blaitant power abuse.

Since people are using the rep system as more of a... "You're a cool person", or a "Thanks" system, maybe we could just rename it?

To my knowledge, you'd have to dish out another truckload of money for permission to legally edit the vBulletin files, therefore making this possible.

I still think a 2nd bar which only mods/admins can add/take to/from would be the way to go if we wanted a safer system.

And I still think you should read my earlier posts. There isn't currently a hack for this, and even if there was… Well, think about the report hack. That's basically vital, yet it took forever to be reinstalled. If something so important can take so long, then how long do you think this kind of hack would take?

Since I know that even they abuse the system maybe they should talk about whether the post deserves to be repped with each other before someone does it, that way, only truly unique posts will be repped.

See above.

Which would mean the fellas from Strats and MSs would be noticed a fair bit more since we are the ones doing most of the unique and creative thinking around here, aswell as the writers and poets.

Strange. A while ago, you were saying that writers and poets are less likely to be repped. How does this work? o.o;

 

[Lion Heart]

I think they meant booted out of the election.
Disqualified per say.

With the system as it is, the writers etc get repped less due to less posts being viewed as it's not the most popular forum ever y'know.

But with how the admins/mods are the only ones able to give/take rep, they'd obviously have to look through all forums (Or just the oens they mod), and rep like that, which means the unique writers/moveset makers etc.. (The people who do more than just chat), would end up with higher rep.

Like how it should be.

 

[Kyogre-chan]

Oh? We could easily take all rep-giving abilities from members, reset everyone's rep to 0, and then only let staff give out rep, but let's not forget that staff shouldn't be ignored when determining rep abusers. o.o;

 

[Lion Heart]

I know Staff abuse rep, which is why I suggested a group of Staff members could discuss the giving/taking of rep over a certain post.

It would really narrow things down, and only extremely good posts would even be questioned about being repped.
Or extremely bad ones.

 

[Kyogre-chan]

The problem is that, with proper usage of the system, hardly any posts would receive rep. =\ Besides, it's not our place to, say, make a thread in the lounge with something along the lines of:

"https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/1008739/
See this post, made by Lion Heart? I think it deserves a good rep."

Also, if that was in place, then discussing giving a bad rep to another staff member would cause a fight.

 

[Lion Heart]

Yeah, I see your point.

But Staff members shouldn't whinge about things like that though, they shouldn't be Staff if they complain like that.

 

[Kyogre-chan]

I understand that, but let's not forget that a lot of staff here are kids, and you can't put it past a kid to complain. Yes, I've done more than my share of complaining, and I admit that.

Still, discussing a person's rep behind their back is the same as talking behind their back, and then comes the discussion of who gives the rep, and soforth. =\

If anything, we should bring back the warning system.

 

[Lion Heart]

Yeah I know half the staff/alot of the staff are kids.

I don't think discussing someones rep is the same as talking behind a persons back, since you are just talking about thesingle post, not the person in general.

If they system went with just admins/mods giving rep/taking rep, the actual person should not be discussed, only the post.

What was the warning system?

 

[Frostweaver]

But Staff members shouldn't whinge about things like that though, they shouldn't be Staff if they complain like that.

That's another mystery worth starting a whole new thread to discuss about ^_^ I'm *100% certain* that there's something wrong with the current way that we're making all these new mods popping up everywhere O_o; right now we have either 49, or 50 mods? That's pretty insane... Plenty of mods actually agree on this too.

"Oh I had no idea how I became mod. I just log on one day, and POOF! I'm mod O_o;;"

The obscure number of mods pretty much gurantees that there maybe one or two (or more) strange ones running along... and don't forget that many past controversies are related to mods in one way or another. Mods are more reliable, but again that is only in theory once more. Leaving them with the rep system isn't exactly the most appropriate either, as too bad they're also humans who make mistakes on a common daily basis.

If we must insist on keeping a rep system of some sort, then we better have some well detailed guidelines to eliminate all forms of possible abuse... might as well spoonfeed then.

"You may use the rep up button when you see someone telling another member not to bypass the character limit. You may use the rep down button when you see someone bypassing the character limit on a consistent basis after being warned once by another member. You may..." (and other rigid un-fun guidelines go on and on... hopefully we don't have to be so desperate and sad)

 

[Lion Heart]

If we must insist on keeping a rep system of some sort, then we better have some well detailed guidelines to eliminate all forms of possible abuse... might as well spoonfeed then.

"You may use the rep up button when you see someone telling another member not to bypass the character limit. You may use the rep down button when you see someone bypassing the character limit on a consistent basis after being warned once by another member. You may..." (and other rigid un-fun guidelines go on and on... hopefully we don't have to be so desperate and sad)

If that were to happen, we'd have a place full of mini mods who think they actually have authority over something.

"Oh I had no idea how I became mod. I just log on one day, and POOF! I'm mod O_o;;"

I thought they were asked first.

I don't think we have 50 mods here either dude.

If it had to drop to the level of actually having Rep Guidelines, like you suggested.. it might aswell not be here..

 

[Kyogre-chan]

That's another mystery worth starting a whole new thread to discuss about ^_^ I'm *100% certain* that there's something wrong with the current way that we're making all these new mods popping up everywhere O_o; right now we have either 49, or 50 mods? That's pretty insane... Plenty of mods actually agree on this too.

Basically, moderators are chosen using a democratic system. There are several things taken into consideration, such as the attitude and maturity of the member. What the higher staff fails to observe is whether or not the forums that person is supposed to moderate actually needs moderation. Also, they overlook the less-known members because they're... well, less known. O_o

I have another point, which will probably get me yelled at... But, whatever. Say, a friend of Steve's decides to join PC. If Steve wants such a person promoted, then he will ignore all aspects, and promote them, as if becoming a mod is such a worthless achievement. (I'd hate to sound sadistic, but it really hurts me, and probably many other moderators who actually earned their positions when he does so.)

If that were to happen, we'd have a place full of mini mods who think they actually have authority over something.

More proof that we should get rid of it.

I thought they were asked first.

Then you thought correctly.

I don't think we have 50 mods here either dude.

Assuming he's referring to the staff team in general, then no, we have 49. :P

 

[armadilloHD]

I say we DO NOT keep the rep system. It's just a way people can flame you where you can't do anything about it.

 

[Lion Heart]

Yes you can, if it's constant and uncalled for, there is something you can do.

PM a Praetor >_>;, of maybe an Admin about it.

 

[IceKitten]

People can also flame you via PM and you can't do anything about, it doesn't mean we should get rid of PMs too O_O

 

[BluePhoenix]

If I am allowed to tell my thing then well my answer is. A big fat YES. We should keep the reputation system.
~RAP~

 

[O]

I don't know, you should keep it. If you have a problem with it, just turn it off.

 

[Ninja Retsu]

I think we should keep reputations system. When someone post anythink bad,they will know what should they improve and when someone post anythink good,they deserve good reputations. But I do not like when people flame each other ,because reputations...

 

[Kyogre-chan]

It died! x.o; *revives*

I don't know, you should keep it. If you have a problem with it, just turn it off.

Disabling your reputation doesn't change the fact that many others abuse the system.

I think we should keep reputations system. When someone post anythink bad,they will know what should they improve and when someone post anythink good,they deserve good reputations. But I do not like when people flame each other ,because reputations...

Actually, that was the original intention of the reputation system. Sadly, people like to misuse it, and generally 9 out of 10 good reps given are random, or undeserved.

 

[Porygon]

Mwar, has this been suggested/shot down already? How about having all rep reviewed for randomness.

 

[Freenaturearts]

Why did you revive it Kyogre-chan ?
I think it's been answered XD.
Anyway I agree with Blue jamine, if someone dosint like it, theres nothing stoping them from turning it off.I'm lucky enough that I only have 6 good reps from senseless babble or spam , All the rest are good reps for my drawings and I and how I act , in turn I think I deserved those. But there are alot of people out there that do just get spamming reps.