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Smokers FTL

smoking isn't the biggest killer in modern times..... death is....
what I mean by that is anything can kill you. Car accident, heart attack, scary movies, being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
lolol thats not a counter-argument.. merely a feeble play on words XD
A quarter of deaths in a developed country are smoking related- which would include all the health related consequences from it aswell, and more importantly the majority could be easily prevented.
There is a bit of irony behind the large, bold and still ignored 'Smoking Kills' signs attached to cigarette packets these days.


but like I keep saying... moderation is key... overindulgence is harmful.
This is nothing like moderating how much sugar you have in your diet to prevent decay.
Because frankly, I can't think of a 'moderate' amount of tobacco a smoker can inhale without causing permanent damage. Evidently not smoking is better than having a what you describe as a moderate amount.
As well as this what positive attributes are there to smoking which would make a 'moderate' amount beneficial? Honestly I can't think of any good reasons that would be enough to outweigh the consequences.
 
it annoys the heck out of me to see people killing them selves for pleasure of being stress free for a moment.

im happy to live in Tenneesse because they passed a smoking law that u cant smoke in public places.But you can smoke in places that only alow 21 and up people



that my opoin
 
People should be allowed to smoke

If you wern't allowed to play Pokemon you would start a riot

imagine if smokers started a riot.
 
People should be allowed to smoke

If you wern't allowed to play Pokemon you would start a riot

imagine if smokers started a riot.

it is true that people should be allowed to smoke but they dont need to smoke near people that dont because of second hand smoking(breathing in smoke of smokers)
 
it is true that people should be allowed to smoke but they dont need to smoke near people that dont because of second hand smoking(breathing in smoke of smokers)

Most smokers should'nt light up in the streets but its a problem we will never get rid off.
 
But, my friend, death isn't a cause of death. Death is what happens from a cause of death, if you get what I mean.

I've heard it is hard to stop smoking, and that is very addicting, which is why I'm hoping for my life, literally, that I will -never- smoke even one puff.

what I stated before was a joke.. a mere philosophical remark.

and Zanacross... for the most part, if smokers started a riot... most of 'em would get seriously winded within the first 5 minutes... lmao... I'd love to see that... and as for the quitting factor... for some people it is harder than others... it's sheer willpower over anything. I've passed the 3 day hump at least once every couple of months to make sure I don't need it.


jwilso72 in terms of moderation... when people indulge in things that can be harmful in larger amounts, it is best to enjoy a small bit... 1 cigarette once in awhile won't seal your fate, but a pack a day CAN... keyword CAN because it also goes down to a person's health and genetic background... some people's bodies are strong and can repel toxins and cancer cells better than others, that's a proven fact. Anything and everything can be harmful to us.... too much time in front of a computer monitor can give you eye-cancer, for example. Smoking is a bad habit to some, an addiction to others. So are you saying that in terms of moderation, every puff inflicts permanent damage? That's not the case. a body is not made of glass.


Bullet Angel ROFL about the overpopulation bit, it is so true. I was reading this one philosopher's book, and it basically states that in order to understand the meaning of life, one must die, in order to live life, one must die.


In terms of where smokers smoke, yes, I do feel it is rude to smoke in front of a crowd or a doorway of a building, in front of little children or pregnant women. When I smoke, it's away from people, and yet, and the same time, with a smoking circle, if you may.
 
I went to MC Donald's The other day

Member of staff outside the door puffing away at his cig
what a nob
It was at about 6 pm
 
this is no offines to anyone

i think smoking is just plain stupid and if u smoke why do u want to throw away your life like that
people that smoke and think there cool are just plain retared "Look at me im smoking!its so cool that im killing myself!!!!"
 
this is no offines to anyone

i think smoking is just plain stupid and if u smoke why do u want to throw away your life like that
people that smoke and think there cool are just plain retared "Look at me im smoking!its so cool that im killing myself!!!!"

Even though you have a right to speak as much as anyone else here, I'll disregard your statement, as it is not very outspeaking, is blatant, and on a side note, you're age does not make you debate material. Add a little to this, why you would think this way. But until then, if someone else read this, they would think that you spoke in an echo of other people who dislike smoking.
 
Even though you have a right to speak as much as anyone else here, I'll disregard your statement, as it is not very outspeaking, is blatant, and on a side note, you're age does not make you debate material. Add a little to this, why you would think this way. But until then, if someone else read this, they would think that you spoke in an echo of other people who dislike smoking.

I agree with that, but opinions like that off of the young people is good to listen to... I mean most of 'em aren't ready for real hardcore debates since they don't know how to think that critically or experience much in their own lives... sorta like how a kid has blind religious faith.
 
jwilso72 in terms of moderation... when people indulge in things that can be harmful in larger amounts, it is best to enjoy a small bit... 1 cigarette once in awhile won't seal your fate, but a pack a day CAN... keyword CAN because it also goes down to a person's health and genetic background... some people's bodies are strong and can repel toxins and cancer cells better than others, that's a proven fact. Anything and everything can be harmful to us.... too much time in front of a computer monitor can give you eye-cancer, for example. Smoking is a bad habit to some, an addiction to others. So are you saying that in terms of moderation, every puff inflicts permanent damage? That's not the case. a body is not made of glass.

I would like to point out that your belief that looking at a computer monitor can give you 'eye-cancer' is completely incorrect.. and practically impossible. A monitor doesn't give out any harmful wavelengths of light or has the ability to mutate cells. Looking at your screen for hours on end will, at worse, cause eye strain and probably make you need glasses.
My point is that you just presented something quite incorrect as an factual example, where you heard this concept isn't the point, but you seem to follow it on with your 'moderation is ok' idealogy.

Honestly, there is no 'moderate' amount that you can get away with from smoking. Every cigarette you take DOES put carcinogens into your body, kills cells inside your mouth and airways & raises your blood pressure - people don't need large quantities of cigarettes to damage themselves.
Just because somebody can resist a few the side-effects for a while doesn't mean that they should smoke, eitherway after constant smoking they will have problems with mucus, removing bacteria inside them and are at a massively high risk of cancer anyway. Also the crap that comes out put other people at risk as well.
It's like cutting yourself, every time you do so, you leave a scar. If you cut yourself 'moderately' (every few days), regardless of the size, it would still accumulate, if you cut yourself addictively then it would become increasingly obvious and would encourage the person to stop. People constantly think that 'small amounts' can't hurt them, because they can't macroscopically see the problems the present damage it is causing them.

Having NO cigarettes every once in a while is significantly better than having '1 in a while'. I can't think of a single good reason why stopping is bad thing and taking smoking ('moderately' or not) is beneficial. And the word 'overindulgence'? you make it sound as if its something that is to be enjoyed (at the petty cost of your health and pocket).

I smoked for a period of time which you would probably define as a 'moderate' amount, and now wish that I didn't. All I can tell from your point is that your trying to persuade people to believe that smoking is an okay thing to do with your body.
 
I would like to point out that your belief that looking at a computer monitor can give you 'eye-cancer' is completely incorrect.. and practically impossible. A monitor doesn't give out any harmful wavelengths of light or has the ability to mutate cells. Looking at your screen for hours on end will, at worse, cause eye strain and probably make you need glasses.
My point is that you just presented something quite incorrect as an factual example, where you heard this concept isn't the point, but you seem to follow it on with your 'moderation is ok' idealogy.

Honestly, there is no 'moderate' amount that you can get away with from smoking. Every cigarette you take DOES put carcinogens into your body, kills cells inside your mouth and airways & raises your blood pressure - people don't need large quantities of cigarettes to damage themselves.
Just because somebody can resist a few the side-effects for a while doesn't mean that they should smoke, eitherway after constant smoking they will have problems with mucus, removing bacteria inside them and are at a massively high risk of cancer anyway. Also the crap that comes out put other people at risk as well.
It's like cutting yourself, every time you do so, you leave a scar. If you cut yourself 'moderately' (every few days), regardless of the size, it would still accumulate, if you cut yourself addictively then it would become increasingly obvious and would encourage the person to stop. People constantly think that 'small amounts' can't hurt them, because they can't macroscopically see the problems the present damage it is causing them.

Having NO cigarettes every once in a while is significantly better than having '1 in a while'. I can't think of a single good reason why stopping is bad thing and taking smoking ('moderately' or not) is beneficial. And the word 'overindulgence'? you make it sound as if its something that is to be enjoyed (at the petty cost of your health and pocket).

I smoked for a period of time which you would probably define as a 'moderate' amount, and now wish that I didn't. All I can tell from your point is that your trying to persuade people to believe that smoking is an okay thing to do with your body.


all that eye strain, and yes there are harmful wavelengths coming from a monitor, in very small amounts.... my pops is a surgeon and has told me that on several occassions, even showed me an article from a medical journal... I was in as much disbelief as you were from reading my statement.... but it does happen.


and FYI, carcinogens are in a lot of places, they are even found in hotdogs... I prefer the taste of clove cigarette or a good cigar over a hotdog anyday, too. having no hotdogs or fastfood is better for you, as well, but people indulge in it once in awhile... either for its conveince or taste.

that moderation is ok ideology has been working fine with me, I don't get easily winded, I don't get respitory sicknesses often, and I'm not waking up and having difficulty breathing. When I say moderation is ok and overindulgence is harmful, I'm not simply talking about cigarettes or impacting on your pocket. those 2-3 cigarettes on a typical day haven't screwed me over, and like I mentioned earlier, I lay low for at least the 3 day hump, I can drop the habit like I drop a deuce. Try eating a bunch of chocolate bars everyday and seeing if you don't gain weight.

I am not trying to persuade people into smoking, either, I'm not Mr. Marlboro Man or Joe Camel or even Mr. Cool... this isn't the 50's anymore... I apologize to you because you interpretted what I have been saying as a beneficiary advertisement, which it definitely is not.

All I have been saying is, that if you're a smoker, don't overindulge... don't go overboard. I am not going to stop you from smoking your cigarette as long as you do it in a courteous manner..


I like your scar simile, it's very true. then again, I am a very scarred person from all the crap that I do, and the one thing that I enjoy about my skin-related scars is that they all have interesting stories... scars also show that the body is not made of glass, it is a thing that can heal time and time again. speaking of, I would like to get a discussion going about medication, whether it be self-medication(such as cigarettes) or prescribed.


jwilso72you know what... I totally respect that you've been the most persistent with this debate.... I love debating, so much that I am going to pursue Law. This entire time, I've been bring up key points that the Big Tobacco Industry brings up as its counterpoints, and you know what, to the layman, these points are good enough to shut them up. It's good to see people stand up for their beliefs, it's even better to see them hold their ground.
 
Fact is, there is no "moderation" in smoking. That is unheard of. I will say that those who smoke every "once in a while" are only fooling themselves.

My sister was a "moderate" smoker. Every once in a while, she smoked. Until she couldn't stop. Took her a good while to stop. My grandmother & aunt has been smoking for a good while. Gramma is 84, or 85, or something. Smoker all her life, & still alive. Walks faster than all of us. However, that does NOT mean its ok. You should see her. She would be MUCH better off without.


Personally, I couldn't care less if others (outside my family) smoked. However, DON'T smoke around me. Last time, when I was younger, my gramma smoked for long periods while I was in the room. It got me sick, & my eyes swelled up. I had to put tea-bags on my eyes, missing my favorite cartoon.
 
Fact is, there is no "moderation" in smoking. That is unheard of. I will say that those who smoke every "once in a while" are only fooling themselves.

My sister was a "moderate" smoker. Every once in a while, she smoked. Until she couldn't stop. Took her a good while to stop. My grandmother & aunt has been smoking for a good while. Gramma is 84, or 85, or something. Smoker all her life, & still alive. Walks faster than all of us. However, that does NOT mean its ok. You should see her. She would be MUCH better off without.


Personally, I couldn't care less if others (outside my family) smoked. However, DON'T smoke around me. Last time, when I was younger, my gramma smoked for long periods while I was in the room. It got me sick, & my eyes swelled up. I had to put tea-bags on my eyes, missing my favorite cartoon.


sounds to me missing your cartoons is your anti-drug....

and I know what you mean about your grandma.....

and I know how people grow dependant on nicotene, medical studies have shown it to be more addicting than morphine (check that out) ..... but I can't see how will power alone shouldn't be enough to drop the habit, like I said I go on breaks once in awhile and don't feel the urge...
 
sounds to me missing your cartoons is your anti-drug....

and I know what you mean about your grandma.....

and I know how people grow dependant on nicotene, medical studies have shown it to be more addicting than morphine (check that out) ..... but I can't see how will power alone shouldn't be enough to drop the habit, like I said I go on breaks once in awhile and don't feel the urge...

Thats how I used to feel, except my sister needed help to quit.

& Thanks. I now have a new sig!
 
Thats how I used to feel, except my sister needed help to quit.

& Thanks. I now have a new sig!



haha... yea man...

well either way, when it came down to it, your sister did have the will power to quit, she realized it was harder than she thought it was and did what was necessary to drop it... for some its just really hard... my Writing Professor is the same way... his way of quitting is basically going on the patch, and eventually smoking light cigarettes, on the patch.... lolz... he LIVES on caffeine and nicotene like no tomorrow... I do remember this one AWESOME thing he said once.... "I light my cigarette on both ends"...
 
It is one of the worst way to die, if not the worst.

I disagree. Rape/brutal murder is the worst way to die =P

Pokemon doesnt kill you.

...much

No...but it has the same kind of effect. Think of how many hours you've wasted playing video games when you could have been out doing something useful. I've altogether used up about 42 collective days out of my life playing pokemon >.<

I'm a non-smoker but I've smoked before so I can kinda see both points of view. I agree that people who have never smoked really don't know what it's like for the people who do smoke. I find that once you've tried smoking it is very enjoyable and for some people, the benefits most definitely outweigh the risks. For some people it is well worth it; for me, I don't smoke because I don't think it's neccessary. I can get by in my life just fine without it, and for people who have never smoked...you can't miss what you've never tried.
 
What benifits? It kills you slowly. It does nothing to increase your health, & gives you pure enjoyment.

As for Pokemon, as addicting as that is, it didn't kill my wallet the way smoking does.

Like I said, I couldn't care less if people smokes. However, second hand smoke hurts ME. Thats where I draw the line.
 
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