"smut for smut"

[KanadeTenshi]

Not quite. Both are bad, I'll admit, but the overzealous theist enthusiasts come, explain why religion is good, then force you to become religious. These guys are just trolling to piss off the religious; comparing someone's bible to porn isn't going to make them say "OMG I BETTER STOP BEING RELIGIOUS!".

Both are some kind of drawing attention toward a specific way though.

 

[Ninja Caterpie]

Both are some kind of drawing attention toward a specific way though.

mm, fair enough. Although one's being supportive of one (still not good) and the other's just dissing the other.

 

[Blue Nocturne]

I completely agree with them and their cause. People saying how vile and disgraceful it is, I think are being ignorant.

When Britain had floods about a year ago now, a bishop (Or someone of status within the church) blamed it on Gods anger against homosexuality. To my knowledge, absolutely nothing happened, no outrage. This is a minor one, I've seen hundreds of occasions where people have gotten away with saying or doing something and using their religion as a flame shield. It's a frustrating double standard that occurs almost everywhere; I have nothing against offending people, but using Religion as a sort of ultimate shield is just plain wrong.

While that may seem like a digression, it leads me back to my point. Why throw a hissy fit over a group of students voicing their opinion against religion when other people have done much worse in the name of their religion.

 

[Timbjerr]

When Britain had floods about a year ago now, a bishop (Or someone of status within the church) blamed it on Gods anger against homosexuality. To my knowledge, absolutely nothing happened, no outrage. This is a minor one, I've seen hundreds of occasions where people have gotten away with saying or doing something and using their religion as a flame shield. It's a frustrating double standard that occurs almost everywhere; I have nothing against offending people, but using Religion as a sort of ultimate shield is just plain wrong.

While that may seem like a digression, it leads me back to my point. Why throw a hissy fit over a group of students voicing their opinion against religion when other people have done much worse in the name of their religion.

That is, unfortunately true. If the roles were reversed, and it was a group of college students collecting porn to distribute bibles, I'd be equally peeved as I am now because I hate seeing people throw their religion or lack thereof in others' faces in an attempt to show them up. As Gandhi once said, "An eye for an eye makes the world go blind."

But the majority of people don't mind so much as long as the one throwing the punch is the group they trust more, and Christians are generally a more trusted demograph than atheists. This is why Christian radicals spreading misinformation to garner their numbers doesn't set off alarms but a couple of atheists trolling a college campus do. :/

 

[Fox♠]

A man threatens to burn a Koran that's not a Koran.

The world rages.



People distribute pornography for a Christian Bible.

...what of it?


Anyways.

It's double standard. Personally, I think it's lowbrow and fail, but...

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S/he's right. Society turns a blind eye to Christian bashing, but as soon as anything is uttered about Islam, that's it, rage time.

 

[Richard Lynch]

I don't think it's exactly childish of them... there was a time when we atheists, for the very reason of BEING atheists, were burned at the stake and tortured for our... lack of belief. That's pretty damn childish, if you ask me. When you're afraid of something, don't confront it, but destroy it.

Do I think the Bible is dangerous? Absolutely. Would I equate it to porn? Not exactly. I have no beef with porn or the porn industry, and (someone above mentioned that porn is generally considered exploitation of women) most people enjoy what they do. It's not really hurting anyone, and most contemporary porn films show women as superior to men; not to mention they're really quite comical (I remember one that involved a comic book character coming to life, and a scientist was talking about the impossibility of it, stating examples such as "Bush's reelection?"

Anyway, what people have to understand is that one of the major things that separate us atheists from the high-strung religious people is a sense of humor. Don't get me wrong, I remember priests from my childhood who cracked jokes, but by and large, religion is non-humor oriented, especially the fundamentalist approach. And it's well known that people with no sense of humor are easily offended. They could have equated the Bible to a British sit-com, and it still would be controversial.

Atheism is growing steadily, a fact I'm incredibly happy about. However, we're still a minority. I was talking to a girl a while ago at work who is near-fundamentalist, and she told me that even though I'm a decent person and do nothing bad, the very fact that I don't accept Jesus as my lord and savior gives me a one-way ticket to Hell. That's not very comforting to me, especially knowing that these people can, and did, run the country, and it convinced me that religion isn't as interested in people being good and moral as it is for people to conform to their ideal belief.

And people call these kids childish for what they did? Get real.

Penn & Teller once said that "there's no easier road to atheist than to read the Bible front to back". I agree with this statement. If you belonged to a social group that was responsible for hatred, death, war and overall bigotry, would you be proud? Surely the KKK had group meetings with good food and people enjoying themselves. The Nazis too. But let's not fight against them, let's fight against the comedians that poke fun at them, let's damn the people who speak against them, and let's just kill everyone who doesn't agree with them.

Oh wait... they tried that?

Try wearing a swastika in public (it represents a statement of beliefs, doesn't it?). Why is it that wearing a crucifix is any more redeeming?

 

[Fox♠]

Pornograhpy is considered a taboo and in the eyes of Christians, morally wrong. Comparing it to writings that millions of people follow is not only offensive and poor taste, it's provocative as well.

 

[Rogue planet]

In the view of club members, religious texts are as smutty as pornography because they contain violence and torture and spark religious wars.

If they did this a few hundred years ago, then their point would be totally valid. Now? That's a thing of the past, nobody does these things in the name of Christianity anymore, and I'm sure Christians know full well what the book contains, and yet still choose to follow it; so they're not educating anyone. I don't see any real point to this, they're just trying to agitate Christians. There may well be a lot of intolerance and pushiness when it comes to some hardcore Christians, but these guys are just reducing themselves to the same low level. It's a pointless act that serves no real purpose other than to get some attention. It's people like this that make atheists look just as bad as bible bashers.

 

[Dawn]

I think this is once again a case of "discrimination against a majority isn't discrimination". It really puts out a bad image for atheists.

It does, doesn't it. It's this sort of trolling and obnoxious behavior that gives Atheists their bad name. Frankly, anti-religious zealots have started to make me flinch at the mention of someone being an atheist. I literally become afraid because it happens so often. Isn't that sad?!

...No offense.

I would like to see a non-zealot atheist stand against one of their shameful zealot brothers. That would make my day. I blame luck for my lack of having seen that currently, and the possibility that the non-zealots don't even tell me their religion in the first place so I never know.

Frankly I find what they did disgusting and obnoxious. Worse than the very people they were trying to attack for the pure fact that they deliberately did this to be offensive and cause controversy. At least the original people knocking on doors had less malicious intent!

 

[Shanghai Alice]

It's not going to happen, for the same reason that people see all Christians as superstitious nutjobs.

The zealots are good press, the moderates aren't.

 

[Rich Boy Rob]

I completely agree with them and their cause. People saying how vile and disgraceful it is, I think are being ignorant.

When Britain had floods about a year ago now, a bishop (Or someone of status within the church) blamed it on Gods anger against homosexuality. To my knowledge, absolutely nothing happened, no outrage. This is a minor one, I've seen hundreds of occasions where people have gotten away with saying or doing something and using their religion as a flame shield. It's a frustrating double standard that occurs almost everywhere; I have nothing against offending people, but using Religion as a sort of ultimate shield is just plain wrong.

While that may seem like a digression, it leads me back to my point. Why throw a hissy fit over a group of students voicing their opinion against religion when other people have done much worse in the name of their religion.

I couldn't agree more. It really shows the double standard society has for the religious; if they were a church group trading bibles for porn & sex toys no one would bat an eyelid, but this people are up in arms about.

I have no beef with porn or the porn industry, and (someone above mentioned that porn is generally considered exploitation of women) most people enjoy what they do. It's not really hurting anyone, and most contemporary porn films show women as superior to men; not to mention they're really quite comical (I remember one that involved a comic book character coming to life, and a scientist was talking about the impossibility of it, stating examples such as "Bush's reelection?"

Again, I agree. Far too many people have ignorant views about how pornography is "evil" and demeaning. If it where demeaning to women would there really be the amount of "amateur" porn there is? Clearly people have fun making it.

All in all I commend them for doing this to prove their point.

 

[Fox♠]

I couldn't agree more. It really shows the double standard society has for the religious; if they were a church group trading bibles for porn & sex toys no one would bat an eyelid, but this people are up in arms about.



Again, I agree. Far too many people have ignorant views about how pornography is "evil" and demeaning. If it where demeaning to women would there really be the amount of "amateur" porn there is? Clearly people have fun making it.

All in all I commend them for doing this to prove their point.

Would you agree it would be equally ok if they were using the Quoran as opposed to the bible?

 

[Livewire]

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S/he's right. Society turns a blind eye to Christian bashing, but as soon as anything is uttered about Islam, that's it, rage time.

Nobody turns a blind eye to christian bashing, certainly not here in the USA, if anything it's the other way around. People were all up in arms and raging over removing the 10 commandments/other christian elements from federal territory a few years back, and that paled in comparion to the downright uproar from Christians over the Ground Zero Community Center. Now of course the Christians think they're being targeted, then the Muslims/Atheists/Jews think they're being targeted (which they probably actually are) Everybody thinks they're the victim.

It really makes no difference to me what they do, but, I commend their effort in defending their views.

 

[Roxichu]

A university near me had something like this, except it was "Fiction for Fiction", where you exchanged Bibles for things like Shakespeare and the Oddesy.

A lot more tasteful than this attention-mongering.:\

 

[Fox♠]

Nobody turns a blind eye to christian bashing, certainly not here in the USA, if anything it's the other way around. People were all up in arms and raging over removing the 10 commandments/other christian elements from federal territory a few years back, and that paled in comparion to the downright uproar from Christians over the Ground Zero Community Center. Now of course the Christians think they're being targeted, then the Muslims/Atheists/Jews think they're being targeted (which they probably actually are) Everybody thinks they're the victim.

It really makes no difference to me what they do, but, I commend their effort in defending their views.

I'm not 100% sure in how they handle it over in the states, but in England if you get bullied or penalised for being Christian then everyone turns a blind eye. I mean in cartoons like South park, Family guy etc they always have parodies of jesus, and no one does anything, but if there was a cartoon of Mohammed people would go absolutely crazy.

 

[Rich Boy Rob]

Would you agree it would be equally ok if they were using the Quoran as opposed to the bible?

Yes I would.

I'm not 100% sure in how they handle it over in the states, but in England if you get bullied or penalised for being Christian then everyone turns a blind eye. I mean in cartoons like South park, Family guy etc they always have parodies of jesus, and no one does anything, but if there was a cartoon of Mohammed people would go absolutely crazy.

I think that it's because Christians are the only people left who won't scream "racism" whenever someone makes a joke. Much like how the English are always cast as villains in Hollywood; if it were say the Germans or Russians, they would say it were national hatred and that they deserve to be cast as the heroes, where as we tolerate it.

 

[Fox♠]

Yes I would.




I think that it's because Christians are the only people left who won't scream "racism" whenever someone makes a joke. Much like how the English are always cast as villains in Hollywood; if it were say the Germans or Russians, they would say it were national hatred and that they deserve to be cast as the heroes, where as we tolerate it.

That's a fair enough point. Was just checking your stance on abuse of any religious text. Good to see you're impartial.

 

[Dawn]

if they were a church group trading bibles for porn & sex toys no one would bat an eyelid, but this people are up in arms about.

I think you just unintentionally assumed that people accepted porn and bible as fair trade.

The opposite scenario is quite clearly different. Porn is something most people want. Bibles, not so much. I don't think a group would attract nearly as much hate if they traded bibles for say... other novels without accusing the bible of being "fake". The bible is a religious document. Porn is not. It will not piss people off if you decide to burn an article of porn.

See? Different.

Frankly, I'm tired of people shoving their religious or anti-religious in this case opinion in people's faces. This is why there's this saying about opinions and posteriors. You can wave your posterior at people all day and they can wave back, but in reality you both look stupid and obnoxious to everyone around you and the world would be a better place if you both just stopped.

Same goes for opinions.

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On a side note, I am not amused by how willing society is to hate on Christianity compared to anything else. It's just not justifiable anymore.

 

[Stratos99]

hahahaha, I think this is hilarious to be honest. I'm not somebody who participates in religion or anti religious matters but I wouldn't be offended if I saw this. Religion is something I've never participated in, and so I never put in the time to figure out what sub division of "atheism" I fit in with because that's really stupid. I Just don't give any of it the time of day, I think labeling yourself a certain name like "atheist" and all the knock offs like "apatheist" or "neo ex liberal son of god twice removed" because you don't agree with religion is even funnier than this whole porno debacle. Personally I was thinking of starting the anti fried chicken movement. Stuff is greasy yo.

 

[Amai]

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S/he's right. Society turns a blind eye to Christian bashing, but as soon as anything is uttered about Islam, that's it, rage time.

That's because here Christians are a majority so they don't really care. The same way white people don't care when people are racist towards them when they're the majority.

But I also agree with the point that it is a double standard. And even though I am Atheist, I do think that this is..a pretty bad way to get your point across.