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    that spiritomb and saybeleye have weak ness its this simple


    both of their types (Ghost,Dark) so they say
    but remember sableeye is Dark,Ghost thats it we do this first we need these

    Foresight
    Fighting move
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    so we use fore sight now we can hit them with normal or fighting moves so now it should say its super effective
     
    That's all well and true, but who the heck is going to carry a Pokémon with Foresight just to deal with the odd Ghost-type when there are much better strategies? As a note, I'd have said this strategy (along with the use of a Pokémon with Scrappy and a Fighting-type move) is pretty well-known among the fandom, though. =/
     
    Wolflare said:
    Beat Up hits the opponent regardless of type I think. There is also a glitch (not sure) that allows you to hit the opponent with Fire Fang even if it is a Spritomb/Sableye with Wonder Guard.
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    The issue is not as to whether an attack hits at all. Rather, it's to dealing super-effective damage to Spiritomb and Sableye. You are correct with your statement regarding Fire Fang, though.
     
    Wolflare said:
    Beat Up hits the opponent regardless of type I think. There is also a glitch (not sure) that allows you to hit the opponent with Fire Fang even if it is a Spritomb/Sableye with Wonder Guard.
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    The fire fang glitch only works in D/P.
     
    Tribulations said:
    The issue is not as to whether an attack hits at all. Rather, it's to dealing super-effective damage to Spiritomb and Sableye. You are correct with your statement regarding Fire Fang, though.
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    Smogon said:
    All Pokémon on the user's team that are not fainted and do not have a status condition do a 10 power typeless attack on the target. Beat Up uses base Attack and base Defense for these calculations; EVs, IVs, and Natures are irrelevant. Beat Up hits through Wonder Guard, even if the Pokémon isn't weak to Dark. If the user targets its ally in 2v2, this results in the ally beating itself up if it doesn't have a status condition.
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    See? Beat Up is typeless, and hits through Wonder Guard regardless of the type.
    DunderMifflinite said:
    The fire fang glitch only works in D/P.
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    I know.
     
    Its true that using Forsight and then using a Fighting type move will be a super-effective. However, thats because all Foresight/Odor Sleuth does is remove the Ghost > Fighting/Normal effect. Thus, it would leave Sableye or Spiritomb with only Dark type.

    However, that is not considered a weakness as it removes the advantage of Ghost. The pokemon's true typing is Ghost/Dark and that is where we base our weakness/ advantage idea upon.

    Beat Up and Fire fang will also punch through Wonder Guard on a Sableye/Spiritomb. Fire Fang only works in DP though.
     
    Or, ya know, ya could just wail on it with a Normal effectiveness Pokémon. Let's check their stats:

    Sableye:
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    Mediocre, at best. Easily defeated.

    Spiritomb:
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    A little better, but not by much. This time, the HP is very low. Hit it with a couple of good attacks and it's easily defeated.

    So, just because a Pokémon has no weaknesses, doesn't mean you can't easily beat it. Types don't matter as much as combo moves and the stats of your Pokémon.​
     
    I Totally Agree with tribulations.... I mean Like who would do that!?
    Carry A Worthless move like forsight when you could have a better strategic move?
    :):):) Smiles are contagous :):):)
     
    Why bother wasting time using Foresight? Both Spiritomb and Sableye are pretty weak defensively; just hammer them with STAB moves. They can 2HKO (Spiritomb) and OHKO (Sableye) if they're strong enough and boosted from CB and LO and the like.
     
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