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Students demand Yale fire administrators for defending free speech

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    https://reason.com/blog/2015/11/06/watch-students-tell-yale-to-fire-a-staff
    Yale just became ground zero in the campus free speech wars.

    Students are demanding that Yale University fire two administrators who failed to speak out against offensive Halloween costumes. This is just one of the grievances of activist students—many of them people of color—who claim Yale is not a safe space for them.

    On Thursday, the students surrounded Yale College Dean Jonathan Holloway—a black man—in an outdoor space and chided him for failing to take action against a fraternity that had allegedly prevented black women from attending its party. (It's not at all clear the allegation is true, according to The Daily Beast.)

    After giving Holloway his comeuppance, they moved on to Nicholas Christakis, master of Silliman College. What was Christakis's crime? His wife, an early childhood educator, had responded to a campus-wide email about offensive Halloween costumes by opining that it was inappropriate for the college to tell students how to dress. According to The Washington Post:
    "Whose business is it to control the forms of costumes of young people? It's not mine, I know that," wrote Erika Christakis, an early childhood educator and the wife of Nicholas Christakis, the Silliman College master. Both later took to social media to defend the e-mail, incensing students by tying it to debates about free speech and trigger warnings. At a Wednesday night forum hosted by the Afro-American Cultural Center, Erika Christakis sought to leave the meeting during a discussion of her e-mail, further provoking student anger. …
    Students grew distressed, with one shouting at Nicholas Christakis to be quiet and questioning why he took the position at the university. "You are a poor steward of this community," the student said. "You should not sleep at night."
    As it so happens, Foundation for Individual Rights in Education President Greg Lukianoff was at Yale on Thursday in order to speak on a panel about free speech [Update: the panel was hosted by Christakis, according to The Yale Daily News]. Lukianoff recorded several videos of the confrontation between students and Christakis. The Post described Christakis as "frustrated," but it's important to keep in mind that he patiently listened to the students' litany of complaints for hours. Toward the end of the shouting session, a student made the following comments:
    "As your position as master, it is your job to create a place of comfort and home for the students that live in Silliman. You have not done that. By sending out that email, that goes against your position as master. Do you understand that?"
    When Christakis replied that he didn't agree, the student thundered back, "Then why the **** did you accept the position! Who the **** hired you?"
    Christakis began to say that he had a different view of his role at the college, but the student cut him off, saying:
    "Then step down! If that is what you think about being a [inaudible] master, then you should step down. It is not about creating an intellectual space! It is not! Do you understand that? It's about creating a home here! You are not doing that. You're going against that."
    It is not about creating an intellectual space, the students claim; it's about creating safe spaces. This is as clear an articulation of students' desires as they come, and it summarizes everything that's wrong with the modern college campus.

    Students should of course feel free to challenge university administrators—this is the essence of free speech. Students have every right to publicize their concerns and work to make Yale a more welcoming place for marginalized people (and administrators should listen). But a great many students, it seems, don't actually desire a campus climate where such matters are up for debate. By their own admission, they want anyone who disagrees with them branded a threat to their safety and removed from their lives.

    If these students get their wish to turn Yale and other campuses into zones of emotional coddling, they will succeed only in destroying the very point of college.
    I find it heartbreaking that so many students are fervently, zealously opposed to free speech and free expression. The purpose of university is supposed to be to broaden your perspectives, to encourage free thought and open debate, and most of all to prepare you for the real world. I think President Obama said it well in this video: if you disagree with someone, then engage them, argue with them. Have a discussion, a give-and-take. Censorship is not the right course of action. We have not gotten to where we are by shouting down people we disagree with! Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to listen to any position but your own is not how progress is made, and more than that it stifles personal growth. I'm extremely disappointed that this is going on, it's just depressing. The only silver lining is that there are many people out there still defending free speech in the face of these... the only appropriate term is authoritarians.
     
    Honestly, this is nothing new to me since anything SJW-related has been spreading all over the news for the last couple of years. I'm just waiting for SJWs to admit defeat at this point.

    We have not gotten to where we are by shouting down people we disagree with! Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to listen to any position but your own is not how progress is made, and more than that it stifles personal growth.
    Didn't you do something similar when you were debating with a mod regarding gamers having the right to boycott Federation Force despite the fact the developers behind them didn't promised them anything in the first place and was their own fault for having their expectations too high?
     
    It's okay. Reality will hit them hard when they realize no one will want their uncritical attitude. And then they will complain about the slew of mental disorders that plague their daily existence and expect society once again to accommodate for them. There's an "intellectual" (and I want to emphasize those quotes) thread on campus that involves the relinquishing of personal responsibility and agency and expecting authorities to protect and provide to an unhealthy extreme. This kind of attitude is only going to damage the perception of these students' ability to cope and help themselves.

    Jesus Christ I sound like a conservative. And hell, I'm going to be criticizing their lifestyle too - but I honestly think it's an unhealthy outlook on life and only serves to undercut the ability to believe in yourself. I think that kind of self-belief or self-faith is very important for us to find value in life, no matter our political leanings or our backgrounds.
     
    Honestly, this is nothing new to me since anything SJW-related has been spreading all over the news for the last couple of years. I'm just waiting for SJWs to admit defeat at this point.
    c'mon man this has nothing to do with the "SJW's." it's just college kids that have a really strong opinion, and are also like 19-20 so of course they're gonna get fired up about things like this.

    also I feel like it's an unwritten rule that it's kind of silly to pull the argument "But Free Speech!!" if you're doing something racist or whatever. but maybe that's just my platform as a left-leaning 17 year old and doesn't really mean anything. I have problems with the ways these students went about tackling these issues but I don't have a problem with tackling the issues in the first place. if that makes sense.
     
    We have not gotten to where we are by shouting down people we disagree with! Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to listen to any position but your own is not how progress is made, and more than that it stifles personal growth.

    The only instance of that happening within this story are the people refusing to listen and reflect upon their own actions and admit that their (subconsciously racist) choices may be hurtful and that there might be a better way to celebrate a holiday that doesn't deliberately exclude a large subset of people or portray another subset of people (for example; Native Americans) as savages (a common halloween costume).

    You need to understand that allowing things like segregation, even at parties, and silly racist costumes being swept under the carpet is kind of like opening a can of worms: "Well if that instance of racism was okay, what else can they get away with?" And that is the issue; students do not feel safe because instead of reassuring students that more severe acts of racism would not tolerated on campus, they said these instances were okay and would not be dealt with.

    If the leadership responded with something like "we recognize the issue, and at this time we have no policies on choices of costumes, but we assure students that racism is not tolerated on campus" you probably wouldn't be seeing such an emotional response.
     
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    c'mon man this has nothing to do with the "SJW's." it's just college kids that have a really strong opinion, and are also like 19-20 so of course they're gonna get fired up about things like this.

    You pretty much described what an SJW does. These college kids were apparently "triggered" by the nature of the Halloween costumes in question, and we have no clue as to what those costumes were (the article didn't describe them either) that be could be deemed as "offensive."
     
    You pretty much described what an SJW does. These college kids were apparently "triggered" by the nature of the Halloween costumes in question, and we have no clue as to what those costumes were (the article didn't describe them either) that be could be deemed as "offensive."
    in fairness my post was mostly just a knee-jerk reaction to the use of the term "SJW" which leaves a really sour taste in my mouth and doesn't leave much room for intelligent discourse. as in, I think it's stupid. but that's just me.

    regardless, and I've touched on this elsewhere (not sure if I ever have on this forum, specifically) but regardless of what the costumes were the fact of the matter is somebody was offended by them and that's really all that matters. your (or my) personal boundaries as to what does or doesn't offend mean nothing when placed in the context of someone else. you can say that people need to grow thicker skin all you want -- this does not discredit their feelings. even if you really have no idea as to how something can offend someone, it doesn't matter if someone's offended by it in the first place.
     
    also I feel like it's an unwritten rule that it's kind of silly to pull the argument "But Free Speech!!" if you're doing something racist or whatever.
    Free speech doesn't mean just speech you like. It means protecting expression in all its forms. We can't allow censorship of things just because we don't like them; that sets a terrible precedent that can be abused in all the worst ways.

    Honestly, these students went even further than that, though. They aren't trying to silence racists, though, they're shouting down free speech advocates who are trying to defend people who are questionably racist. It's like instead of shouting down Westboro Baptist Church, they're trying to get Popehat taken off the internet. That's a huge difference. It's one thing to want to silence racists, that's a normal (but misguided) reaction; it's another to try and shut down the speech of free speech advocates themselves. That's ridiculously authoritarian to the point where I would call it fascist.

    The only instance of that happening within this story are the people refusing to listen and reflect upon their own actions and admit that their (subconsciously racist) choices may be hurtful and that there might be a better way to celebrate a holiday that doesn't deliberately exclude a large subset of people or portray another subset of people (for example; Native Americans) as savages (a common halloween costume).
    I don't agree with the way the those students expressed themselves, either. I think it was distasteful and stupid. But defending free speech quite often means defending it in cases you don't like. Free speech is important because it protects the rights of disadvantaged or vulnerable groups to speak out about their problems without fear of retaliation. Shutting down students' freedom to express themselves is not the right way to solve matters and can only create a terrible precedent.

    If you allow censorship to rule the day here, do you really believe it won't be abused by your political opposites? Do you really believe that, for instance, evangelical Christians won't take advantage of the terrible precedent set by allowing censorship to get groups and opinions they find offensive censored? How many times in the past hundred years alone have those on the far right used "distasteful" or "offensive" as a reason to shut down ideas, discussions that could have moved things forward? Homosexual marriage was "offensive" to many Christians; "degenerate," "obscene," these are some of the terms they used to describe it. But at the end of the day, it was discussion and argumentation that brought down the walls.

    "The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged." We must make a stand here and now. If we allow others' freedom to be trodden upon just because we personally might find what they have to say distasteful, we set a precedent that will be used against every unpopular opinion from now on. "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." The way to deal with something you disagree with is to take a stand against it, to speak out against it using reason, to prove to others and to your opponents themselves that their beliefs are flawed.

    But this, this goes much further than merely trying to silence racists and bigots. This is trying to silence free speech advocates for defending one of our most important ideals. This is a witch hunt wherein what I can only accurately call authoritarians are trying to silence all dissent. That is unconscionable. These students ought to be ashamed of themselves. I've posted this story half a dozen places, shared it with everyone who would listen, because I believe it is my moral obligation to take a stand and speak out against this. I don't like having to defend the rights of people who I believe are jerks, who I think are going out of their way to piss people off and upset people rather than have a constructive dialogue. But it is my duty to speak out in support of them, and it is certainly my duty to speak out in support of the administrators defending their freedoms. "Eternal vigilance is the price we pay for liberty," and of course "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."

    You need to understand that allowing things like segregation, even at parties,
    This was an accusation of questionable merit. We don't know if that actually happened and we cannot condemn people for things they are merely accused of doing. However, if it did happen, I believe it comes down to whether it was on university property or not. The university should be the one to determine how their property is used, but if it was in a private venue they shouldn't have any say, nor should they be able to punish students for actions not on university property.

    But even if it was on university property, I question whether they should disallow it. For instance, should the university be able to shut down a gathering of black rights advocates who disallow whites from participating? I don't think it's right to exclude people from a discussion or event in either case but I also don't know if it's right to stop them from doing so if that's what they choose to do. That's something I can certainly see both ways.

    and silly racist costumes
    They have as much of a right to dress up in a racist costume as you or I have to call them a racist for doing so. They only damage their own reputation with such antics; there's no need for the university to shut it down and there's little to differentiate a costume from someone carrying a sign with political speech on it. Again, this can create a dangerous precedent.

    being swept under the carpet is kind of like opening a can of worms: "Well if that instance of racism was okay, what else can they get away with?"
    The line is and should be where it currently is legally. Speech and expression are protected. Inciting criminal activity or direct, credible threats should not be. If someone does something like this, the correct response is to point out to them and to others why it's wrong.

    And that is the issue; students do not feel safe because instead of reassuring students that more severe acts of racism would not tolerated on campus, they said these instances were okay and would not be dealt with.
    What they did should be, must be allowed. It should be looked down upon by everyone on campus, but it must still be allowed.

    "More severe acts of racism" is vague, but again, inciting criminal activity, credible threats, and outright violence are already illegal and forbidden.

    If the leadership responded with something like "we recognize the issue, and at this time we have no policies on choices of costumes, but we assure students that racism is not tolerated on campus" you probably wouldn't be seeing such an emotional response.
    Racist speech and racist expression should be allowed so long as they don't fall under an established exception to free speech. That is the nature of having free speech; you have to allow distasteful speech. If the racists are acting in good faith and merely misguided, then engage them and point out why their beliefs are wrong. If they're obviously just trolls like WBC, then respond like we currently respond to WBC: be classier than them and stand in solidarity with the people they are targeting with their hatred.

    But again, it's important to point out that students here have gone further than trying to silence racists. They're trying to silence free speech advocates. I have to wonder, if we allow them to triumph here, who will be next?
     
    This kind of behavior only solidifies my position that "Social Justice" Warriors and anyone who sympathizes with them are indeed the biggest problem in the world right now and I'm glad to be leaving college at a time when this is becoming more widespread so I don't have to put up with this ******** any longer.

    The only good thing I can say about these people is that they're the reason why the new South Park season is sooo good. The entire season is a gigantic potshot at political correctness and it's evils that the show has done before, but people have forgotten. REALITY is seriously the best character Trey and Matt have introduced on the show for a long time:



    EDIT: Also, I don't know if someone mentioned it or not, but on the topic of "Hate Speech."

    Hate Speech has a very specific legal definition in many countries, but not all of them are the same. In the United States, Hate Speech is classified as such when speech is deemed to intentionally incite active violence against a group people and it is illegal in the country. Bottom line, if you think someone is committing a crime, take them to court if it bothers you so much.
     
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    I... Seriously, what? I know college students and SJWs get offended by literally EVERYTHING these days (and I do mean everything. There's a story making rounds on the internet about a bunch of SJWs making an artist attept suicide because they claimed her Steven Universe fanart was offensive... one claim in particular was that a character was too thin and the artist was "fat-shaming." What?!) But trying to get people in their own college fired because they don't agree on what Halloween costumes are offensive and what aren't? That's not tolerant at all, and that's genuinely hilarious considering this entire thing is over tolerance and acceptance.

    Why are they going after costumes anyway? People have been dressing up and have been dressing their kids up as Indians, Mexicans, knights, maids, pirates, nurses and other things for over a hundred years now and I haven't seen a single person burst into flame and melt into a little puddle because they were offended by a costume. Everyone knows it's in good fun and for only one night and nobody until now has ever taken issue with it. I personally think these guys are just trying to find everything and anything offensive to satisfy some guilt complex or narcissism attack. I pity them, because they must be eternally miserable as they constantly view life through an orange lense of ironic intolerance and only see things as offensive or not yet offensive. Who taught them to be like this? Why'd they do it?
     
    Popehat's Ken White has written an interesting post discussing this and some related issues. Link here. My comment is here. In short, I agree that people should be able to make "private clubs," as he calls them, but I don't agree that it's a good idea for anyone to limit their perspective by associating exclusively with people in those "clubs." Limiting our perspective limits our understanding. Part of the way in which we grow is by encountering new ideas that we might not have considered before. That's something that's important for everyone; no one is so perfect that they won't benefit from the perspective of others.
     
    I... Seriously, what? I know college students and SJWs get offended by literally EVERYTHING these days (and I do mean everything. There's a story making rounds on the internet about a bunch of SJWs making an artist attept suicide because they claimed her Steven Universe fanart was offensive... one claim in particular was that a character was too thin and the artist was "fat-shaming." What?!) But trying to get people in their own college fired because they don't agree on what Halloween costumes are offensive and what aren't? That's not tolerant at all, and that's genuinely hilarious considering this entire thing is over tolerance and acceptance.

    Why are they going after costumes anyway? People have been dressing up and have been dressing their kids up as Indians, Mexicans, knights, maids, pirates, nurses and other things for over a hundred years now and I haven't seen a single person burst into flame and melt into a little puddle because they were offended by a costume. Everyone knows it's in good fun and for only one night and nobody until now has ever taken issue with it. I personally think these guys are just trying to find everything and anything offensive to satisfy some guilt complex or narcissism attack. I pity them, because they must be eternally miserable as they constantly view life through an orange lense of ironic intolerance and only see things as offensive or not yet offensive. Who taught them to be like this? Why'd they do it?

    Now, to make this worse remember that these fellows could very well be the future elite running society...

    They certainly aren't helping the cause against Racism and the other harmful 'isms' by screaming like this. Come on, Halloween is about being able to be someone else for a day...

    Also I read the original e-mail on a reddit post, and the wife of the man in the video advised that they try to be respectful of others while at the same time arguing that the students are adults and that their wisdom should be trusted, as well as mentioning that costumes help encourage creativity.
     
    Now, to make this worse remember that these fellows could very well be the future elite running society...

    They certainly aren't helping the cause against Racism and the other harmful 'isms' by screaming like this. Come on, Halloween is about being able to be someone else for a day...

    Also I read the original e-mail on a reddit post, and the wife of the man in the video advised that they try to be respectful of others while at the same time arguing that the students are adults and that their wisdom should be trusted, as well as mentioning that costumes help encourage creativity.
    I dread that day. These guys are so wrapped up in complexes and false paranoia they'll put a lot of people and freedoms at risk. They haven't the slightest idea of what reality should be, so what happens if they get elected and decide the things they deem offensive should be banned? It'll almost be like having a band of Caligulas running the show unless they get into the real world and wise up.

    And you're right. By calling something that isn't racist racist, they obscure the definition of the word and real actual racism gets ignored. It's quite ironic, because they actually are the most racist people in the room when they say things like that and call for tiny things like costumes to be banned. Why can't a Mexican person like a mariachi costume and not be offended? Why can't an Indian (the American kind) like an Indian or colonial period costume? Aren't they implying that these people are such pansies that they can't even tolerate a costume, or shouldn't be allowed to like them or tolerate them because they're too stupid to decide what should and shouldn't offend them and have to have someone of a different race decide for them? And in the meantime the people getting slaughtered or forcibly moved from their homes or even treated like slaves or second class citizens because of their race or religion are totally ignored. Way to be culturally sensitive, y'all.
     
    Guys, if you can't contribute to the thread without derailing the topic or instigating others, just don't post. This is your only warning.
     
    I dread that day. These guys are so wrapped up in complexes and false paranoia they'll put a lot of people and freedoms at risk. They haven't the slightest idea of what reality should be, so what happens if they get elected and decide the things they deem offensive should be banned? It'll almost be like having a band of Caligulas running the show unless they get into the real world and wise up.

    And you're right. By calling something that isn't racist racist, they obscure the definition of the word and real actual racism gets ignored. It's quite ironic, because they actually are the most racist people in the room when they say things like that and call for tiny things like costumes to be banned. Why can't a Mexican person like a mariachi costume and not be offended? Why can't an Indian (the American kind) like an Indian or colonial period costume? Aren't they implying that these people are such pansies that they can't even tolerate a costume, or shouldn't be allowed to like them or tolerate them because they're too stupid to decide what should and shouldn't offend them and have to have someone of a different race decide for them? And in the meantime the people getting slaughtered or forcibly moved from their homes or even treated like slaves or second class citizens because of their race or religion are totally ignored. Way to be culturally sensitive, y'all.

    Worse of all it tends to be White folks who get offended most of the time that I've seen. Most of us people of color shrug it off.
     
    I'd start a new thread, but this one already addresses the main issue which is censorship and intolerance on college campuses.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ivists-are-weaponizing-the-safe-space/415080/

    At the University of Missouri, student activists succeeded this week in forcing the resignation of President Timothy M. Wolfe, charging that he has not done enough to address persistent racism on campus. Tim Tai, a University of Missouri student, got a freelance assignment from ESPN to photograph the reaction of victorious activists at the tent city they set up in a public area of campus. As a matter of law, he had an indisputable First Amendment right to photograph events transpiring outdoors on public property.

    But student activists did not want their tent city or the people in it photographed, and forcibly prevented him from taking pictures. "We ask for no media in the parameters so the place where people live, fellowship, and sleep can be protected from twisted insincere narratives," a Twitter account associated with the activists later declared, adding that "it's typically white media who don't understand the importance of respecting black spaces." Tim Tai is Asian American.

    "We're documenting historic events with our photographs, and when people are crying and hugging when Wolfe resigns, it becomes a personal issue that people all over the country can connect with," Tai explained in an interview with The New York Times. "It's my job to help connect those people to what's going on."

    The protests at the University of Missouri were assisted by dozens of players on the school's football team who declared that they would boycott games until the school's president stepped down. This important, complicated story can be explored using an impressive timeline published by Missouri's student newspaper. Tai's story is one footnote to this larger narrative.

    First Amendment protections for photographers are vital. And I agree with my colleague, James Fallows, that Tai demonstrated impressive intellectual and emotional poise. But video of his encounter with protestors is noteworthy for another reason.

    In the video of Tim Tai trying to carry out his ESPN assignment, I see the most vivid example yet of activists twisting the concept of "safe space" in a most confounding way. They have one lone student surrounded. They're forcibly preventing him from exercising a civil right. At various points, they intimidate him. Ultimately, they physically push him. But all the while, they are operating on the premise, or carrying on the pretense, that he is making them unsafe.

    It is as if they've weaponized the concept of "safe spaces."

    "I support people creating 'safe spaces' as a shield by exercising their freedom of association to organize themselves into mutually supporting communities," Ken White wrote prior to this controversy. "But not everyone imagines 'safe spaces' like that. Some use the concept of 'safe spaces' as a sword, wielded to annex public spaces and demand that people within those spaces conform to their private norms."

    Yesterday, I wrote about Yale students who decided, in the name of creating a "safe space" on compass, to spit on people as they left a talk with which they disagreed. "In their muddled ideology," I wrote, "the Yale activists had to destroy the safe space to save it."

    Here the doublethink reaches its apex:

    As the video begins, a man tells the photographer that he is not allowed to push the wall of people which has formed to stop him from moving forward.
    Around the 20-second mark, a woman shouts that the photographer needs to respect the space of students, just as they start to forcibly push him backwards.
    Just after the one-minute mark, having been pushed back by students who are deliberately crowding him to obstruct his view, things grow more surreal as the photographer is told, "Please give them space! You cannot be this close to them."
    At the 1:24 mark, as the students are chanting at the photographer and some are visibly smirking at him––and as he's frustrated but doing his best to keep his cool––a protestor tells him, as if he is disrespecting them, "You think this is funny."
    Around 1:42, after several rounds of students chanting and yelling loudly at him in unison, he raises his voice to politely insist that he has a First Amendment right to be there. And a student interjects that he must not yell at a protestor.
    At 1:50 or so, a student tells the photographer that the members of the large group outnumbering him 20- or 30-to-one need to protect their space as human beings from him.
    Around 2:08, a woman walks right up to the photographer and says, "You know what? Back off of my personal space. Leave these students alone."
    That woman then spreads out her arms and starts pushing the photographer back more––and as she makes contact with his body other students tell him, "Stop pushing her."
    At 2:33, the same woman tells the photographer that one of the students doesn't want to talk to him. He explains that he has no desire to speak with anyone. And she replies, "She doesn't want to see you," as if he's infringing on a right to not stand in a public space in a way that makes him visible.
    Another surreal moment comes at 2:47, when a student who has been there the whole time approaches the wall of people preventing the photographer's forward progress and says, "I need to get through, are you not going to let me through?" as if the photographer is the one transgressing against her freedom of movement.
    At 3:32 another student says, "They can call the police on you," as if the photographer is the one breaking the law.
    A moment later, the photographer puts his hands and camera directly above his head to try to snap a photo. The women in front of him pushes her hands in the air to try to block the lens. They make fleeting, inconsequential contact, and a bystander accusatorially says to the photographer, "Did you just touch her?" Because that would be beyond the pale, never mind he has been repeatedly pushed!
    And on it goes like that.

    This behavior is a kind of safe-baiting: using intimidation or initiating physical aggression to violate someone's rights, then acting like your target is making you unsafe.

    "You are an unethical reporter," a student says around 5:15. "You do not respect our space." Not 30 seconds later, the crowd starts to yell, "Push them all out," and begins walking into the photographer. "You're pushing me!" he yells. And even moments after vocally organizing themselves to push him, they won't fess up to the nature of their behavior. "We're walking forward," they say, feigning innocence. Says one snarky student as the crowd forces him back, "I believe it's my right to walk forward, isn't it?" Then the photographer is gone, and only the person holding the video camera that recorded the whole ordeal remains. Ironically, he is a member of the press, too, which he mentions to one of the few protestors who is left behind.

    By then, the mask has fallen."Who wants to help me get this reporter out of here?" an unusually frank protestor yells. "I need some muscle over here!"

    The woman calling for muscle? An assistant professor of mass media at the University of Missouri ... who had previously asked the campus for help attracting media attention.

    I can see it's hypocrisy, but of what? I don't know what to call it, but I can put a finger on it, and it's wrong.

    Where did all this come from? Where are we all going? The persistence of racism in society is a problem, but this is not the solution.
     
    I'd start a new thread, but this one already addresses the main issue which is censorship and intolerance on college campuses.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ivists-are-weaponizing-the-safe-space/415080/



    I can see it's hypocrisy, but of what? I don't know what to call it, but I can put a finger on it, and it's wrong.

    Where did all this come from? Where are we all going? The persistence of racism in society is a problem, but this is not the solution.

    I watched the video on that link...let's just say that I'm not sure I would've handled that situation as nicely as that young man did... the way they were treating him, and the way the lady at the end treated the guy video taping the thing (saying she needs muscle to get him out) border on Fascism...

    These kinds of actions will hurt the cause against racism, and makes those who call for an end to it come off as self centered and frauds, carrying only about their rights over those of others. We need a counter to these kinds of actions, actions that will truly promote tolerance in a respectful and thoughtful manner for all parties involved.
     
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    SJWs are not the right answer to the problems, I will say this much. I often find that when any minority acts in this way in order to further their cause; they only end up hurting their cause that much more as they breed animosity and hatred by doing so.

    This isn't to say that some of these causes aren't legitimate or shouldn't be discussed. However acting in extremes in response to some small, often times imagined, slight insensitivity is never a good or mature way to behave like an adult, or address greater societal issues. Societal issues are fixed by dialog, when you approach a person and express your feelings respectfully, while listening to their own feedback and respectfully hashing out your differences.

    Plenty of cases where such extreme reactions are caused and not warranted are because of a person who would normally not really actually mean much, if any harm. It would further the cause of social justice much better if the reaction were much milder. Besides it does nobody any good to bicker, when you can simply inform people and give them time and space enough to come around. Most decent people will do so if given the chance.

    It also helps to take a lot of things in their proper context too. A Halloween Costume should never be the sparking point of socio-political discourse, because as a general rule, Halloween Costumes are typically designed and worn for fun, or in this case a satirical way. Perhaps it would have been better to engage the professor in a dialog to ask what the intent of the costume was. I'm sure he would have broken out with a fairly academic mini-lecture on something satirical, or something about history or something such of that nature, and it would have been all in good fun. Colleges, especially Ivy League ones, are full of very geeky people with very interesting passions and quirks! You're supposed to have a healthy dash of open-mindedness.
     
    SJWs are not the right answer to the problems, I will say this much. I often find that when any minority acts in this way in order to further their cause; they only end up hurting their cause that much more as they breed animosity and hatred by doing so.

    This isn't to say that some of these causes aren't legitimate or shouldn't be discussed. However acting in extremes in response to some small, often times imagined, slight insensitivity is never a good or mature way to behave like an adult, or address greater societal issues. Societal issues are fixed by dialog, when you approach a person and express your feelings respectfully, while listening to their own feedback and respectfully hashing out your differences.

    Plenty of cases where such extreme reactions are caused and not warranted are because of a person who would normally not really actually mean much, if any harm. It would further the cause of social justice much better if the reaction were much milder. Besides it does nobody any good to bicker, when you can simply inform people and give them time and space enough to come around. Most decent people will do so if given the chance.

    It also helps to take a lot of things in their proper context too. A Halloween Costume should never be the sparking point of socio-political discourse, because as a general rule, Halloween Costumes are typically designed and worn for fun, or in this case a satirical way. Perhaps it would have been better to engage the professor in a dialog to ask what the intent of the costume was. I'm sure he would have broken out with a fairly academic mini-lecture on something satirical, or something about history or something such of that nature, and it would have been all in good fun. Colleges, especially Ivy League ones, are full of very geeky people with very interesting passions and quirks! You're supposed to have a healthy dash of open-mindedness.
    It's not always minorities doing this though, I've seen plenty of white people online (at least they claim to be white irl) do this, thinking that they're helping us, but are just making it harder to get a discussion.
     
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