Suicide

[Xyrin]

I think suicide is wrong. But I understand some people just need help. They shouldn't kill themselves because if you have people that love you they feel pain. It's like energy it isn't destroyed but just changes form.

 

[Masqueraine]

I don't think it's being selfish because it's just something that people can't understand. A lot of the time, suicide comes from depression, and when you're depressed, you probably won't ever feel happy again so suicide looks like a good choice. It may leave the family upset, but if they didn't help you or support you during you're time of need, then they're the ones being selfish, not the person who kills themselves. I guess if they were helping, suicide could be a little selfish, but again, there's if so much pain, people will go to any extreme to get rid of it.

I think at some point in everybody's life, they run into some form of depression. One person's might be worse than another's but to think there is nobody in the world who has experienced what you're going through and can sympathize is something that can lead to depression itself.

I don't agree that once you're depressed you probably won't ever be happy again. When you're in that mindset it may seem that way, but life while usually likened to being short is incredibly long. Most of us here are 20 and under, that's less than a fourth of what most of us can expect to live up to. In all that time I find it hard to believe you'll live your life entirely depressed. With the help of anti depressants and self introspection as to what the problem is, and trying to fix that, most people can get through rough times.

A lot of people don't tell others that they're depressed, if they did, suicide might not have been the route they chose to go down. It's up to the person to seek out help, because putting on a brave face for a long enough time can be dangerous psychologically. It always helps to lay your problems out to another person, we are social creatures, the ability to confide in somebody all that is troubling you is unusually helpful. You might think otherwise but you can't know for sure until you try it.

Suicide just makes me sad for the person. With the right help they probably could have been happy again, unfortunately that help isn't extended to everybody.

 

[StarlightSerenity]

Suicide is a selfish act in my opinion - One of my closest friends hung himself a couple of years ago, not only did he take his own life he destroyed his parents and girlfriends lives. His girlfriend will never be the same again, I know that for certain, she hasn't changed for the better either.

Using the excuse that its "their body, they can do what they like" is exceptionally nieve (sp?), everything has consequences, it's those consequences that make it a selfish act.

I honestly dont think he thought it was selfish though - I believe that he thought the world would be a better place without him. A lot of people who consider suicide think this, in their mind they would be doing their friends and family a favour by not being a burdon on them anymore.

I've suffered from major depression for a number of years (not because of some traumatic event in my life or anything like that but because of a chemical inbalance). Suicide is something I considered, even pushed myself towards, up until my friend killed himself, I couldnt put my friends and family through that no matter how low I get.

I had no one I could talk to about the way I was feeling (well, no one I was willing to share my feelings with) and to be quite honest it took me a long time to accept that I was ill - I just thought it was some teenage hormone thing that would eventually pass. After spending at least an hour on the phone to the Samaritans every day for six months (not that I ever spoke, I just listened to them trying to get me to talk), meeting my partner and researching mental illnesses online I finally got to the docs. If those particular things hadnt happened and my friend hadnt killed himself I dont think I would be sharing this with you now as I had lost all hope. Almost anyway.

Most dont understand depression, I've met people who have suffered from it in their lives but still dont understand it, or at least wont accept how it truely is. People have a hard job understanding untangeable things, certainly ones that follow no logic. Depression (in the sense of peoples thoughts, not the science behind it) does not follow logic - things that don't upset you normally will, things that dont make you angry will send you into a fit of rage, all for no reason. Coming to the conclusion that suicide is the best option - that certainly isn't logical.

For those who think suicide is for the weak - you have to idea how much strength it takes to actually do it.

Anyway, its 3am here and I'm rambling, apologies for not really adding anything constructive to the thread!

 

[Dawn]

My biggest issue with suicide is that people try to justify it. It typically winds down to "<bad situation here> is worse than death."

I think that's a very alarming train of logic that makes me concerned for the people who think that way. Clearly somewhere along the lines the priorities there got screwed up where life is no longer the most precious thing possible and I think that's potentially a problem waiting to happen.

As for the rest of suicide. Suicide is bad, mmkay. It also happens. There's not a whole lot more to it. Not much anyone can do except try and help the poor souls who are no longer able to think rationally and resort to things such as suicide.

Oh, and suicide isn't so much selfishness as it is insanity. It's extremely hard to explain to the person who isn't thinking rationally that they aren't thinking rationally. Hence why suicide is still a problem that doesn't appear to be going away or getting better anytime soon.

 

[Melody]

Suicide is Life's "Alt+F4" or "Exit" command. Should you use it if you are not of sound mind and body? No, you should get help.

Should you use it because you can't handle life's disappointments? Nope, go get help.

Should you use it because you can't stand the pain of life? Nope, go get help and medical treatment.

Should you use it because you can't get help or medical treatment? Nope, Keep trying to get help and medical treatment. If you die because you couldn't help and medical treatment, it's an issue that people will be willing to address, especially if it's happening too often. More than once in a decade deserves attention for any tragedy. If it isn't addressed soon enough, people will make sure it does get addressed, especially the ones who cared about you. (There's always someone who cares, NO EXCEPTIONS PERIOD? GOT IT? NO 'IF'S 'AND's OR 'BUTS')

Should you use it because you got all the help and medical treatment society can reasonably give? Nope, go tie up all the loose ends in your life that you are able to before you die naturally please. Don't leave people hanging, it's incredibly selfish. By the way, you can delegate things to the willing and able. There should be little shortage of that.

There are very very few situations where committing suicide isn't wrong. If you die committing an honestly selfless act like saving a person from a speeding bus, it's suicide yes but it isn't wrong. Should you go out and look for someone who needs saving? Nope. That's not right either.

 

[インフェルノの津波]

I don't understand why people care anymore.

Whether you die by your hand or someone else's, namely nature's, does it really matter. We're all gonna die anyway, sooner or later.

Plus, if your friend/you decide to commit suicide, go ahead. No really, go ahead. It's your life, who's to tell you what to do?

The only problem is people commit suicide when they're still young, in other words they're killing themselves out of stupidity. Live like 28 years, then decide to leave this world.

In the end, I have no qualms against suicide, however I have qualms against those who do it, and haven't experienced life yet. (teenagers, I'm looking at you.)

So...yeah, don't commit suicide unless you're truly ready to die, okay?

 

[Esper]

It's an incredibly cruel thing to suggest that someone who's killed themselves did it because they were weak. Suicidal people are suicidal because they literally cannot see another way out of their pain. They are trapped in a horrible state of mind and they need help to pull themselves out of it.

There's nothing wrong with admitting to a weakness. If someone where injured physically it would be appropriate to say that their bodies had been weakened. When someone has depression and thoughts of suicide it's their mind which has been injured. There's no shame in that. Everyone gets hurt one time or another. I understand that the "people who commit suicide are weak" suggests that it's a weakness of character (or morals, or whatever you want to call it), but what exactly is a person's character if not the whole of everything that makes them up, including their mind? I don't like the tone people use when they call someone weak because it's just insulting a person who's having a hard time and that's just cruel, but a person who needs help shouldn't try to convince themselves that they aren't weak. It makes it harder to ask for help. It's okay to ask for help. We're all jaded and make emo jokes saying that people are only looking for attention, but personally I'd rather make the attempt to help someone. If they really are just looking for attention then oh well. If they really do need help then they'll know that when they asked for it there was someone there willing to offer help.

 

[VulpixVixen007]

suicide takes the lives of so many innocent lives every day. i was ready to write a suicide note to my family and act on my bad thoughts one time not too long ago. it's very very very very bad and it's so sad to hear stories of people taking their lives because of bullying or something that is bothering them so much or etc. it's not good or funny. it's bad and we need to help victims like me who are involved with that. whoever says that it's good is insane and bad. and i will pray for them and the victims of suicide.

 

[gameplayer56]

There's nothing wrong with admitting to a weakness. If someone where injured physically it would be appropriate to say that their bodies had been weakened. When someone has depression and thoughts of suicide it's their mind which has been injured. There's no shame in that. Everyone gets hurt one time or another. I understand that the "people who commit suicide are weak" suggests that it's a weakness of character (or morals, or whatever you want to call it), but what exactly is a person's character if not the whole of everything that makes them up, including their mind? I don't like the tone people use when they call someone weak because it's just insulting a person who's having a hard time and that's just cruel, but a person who needs help shouldn't try to convince themselves that they aren't weak. It makes it harder to ask for help. It's okay to ask for help. We're all jaded and make emo jokes saying that people are only looking for attention, but personally I'd rather make the attempt to help someone. If they really are just looking for attention then oh well. If they really do need help then they'll know that when they asked for it there was someone there willing to offer help.

^This, I've experienced suicides thoughts before & it was mainly due to bullying. So, calling someone weak because they want to commit suicide is even more cruel (& Sort of mean) to the person.