Tangrowth+Swampert help!

[eros225]

i have the usual
gengar(tbolt,shadowball,hypnosis,focus blast)
garchomp(outrage,ddance,firefang,eq)
blissey(stealthrock,softboiled,twave,icebeam)
umbreon(meanlook, baton pass,toxic,moonlight) build on my team..

but i want to replace my skarmory and milotic with something else for a change

Whats a good moveset/EV spread for tangrowth(walling and counter for swampert/bulky water walls) and swampert(sweeperish/wall purposes)

i was thinking

tangrowth
252 def/88 atk/164 hp/4 spd
grass knot
stun spore
rest
hp fire

swampert
176 hp/164 atk/164 satk/4 spd
earthquake
hammer arm
surf
??


maybe i can throw a donphan in there somewhere to replace umbreon or blissey

 

[Azonic]

Swampert@Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/ 172 ATK/80 DEF

Waterfall
Earthquake
Avalanche
Curse/Rest

 

[Persona]

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
EVs: 225 HP / 210 Def / 75 Sp.Atk
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge / Stealth Rock / HP Electric
- Hydro Pump / Surf

Other than the physical-based Swampert and CursePert, you could also try mixed. Hydro Pump isn't as accurate as Surf is, but, there's a possible 2HKO against a Skarmory, making it worth using. Stone Edge does hurt Gyarados, but HP Electric works better as it's unaffected by the Intimidate ability.

 

[eros225]

thanks a lot guys, i might go with shirosaki's build, it's just gonna be awful putting HP electric into it haha

now i just need something for my tangrowth =p

oh and i think this donphan is pretty common, only thing is i dont want to have another eq user on my team..should i even bother adding a donphan to my team?

ice shard
rapid spin
eq
stone edge

 

[Azonic]

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
EVs: 225 HP / 210 Def / 75 Sp.Atk
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge / Stealth Rock / HP Electric
- Hydro Pump / Surf

Other than the physical-based Swampert and CursePert, you could also try mixed. Hydro Pump isn't as accurate as Surf is, but, there's a possible 2HKO against a Skarmory, making it worth using. Stone Edge does hurt Gyarados, but HP Electric works better as it's unaffected by the Intimidate ability.

Mixedspert is pretty bad in a way. Too many special moves.

Probably the only special move that can go on it is Icebeam. other than that, its a physical sweeper.

Get rid of Rapid Spin on Donphan if you don't have any Focus Sashers on your team. Get Stealth Rock over Stone Edge.

 

[eros225]

Mixedspert is pretty bad in a way. Too many special moves.

Probably the only special move that can go on it is Icebeam. other than that, its a physical sweeper.

Get rid of Rapid Spin on Donphan if you don't have any Focus Sashers on your team. Get Stealth Rock over Stone Edge.

okiedokie physpert it is...

my garchomp is a focus sasher so i guess im keeping rapid spin, and i replace stone edge with stealth rock i might as well just get rid of fatass blissey(or give it tbolt)

anyway, i still need a good ev spread/moveset for a mixed wall/bulky water counter tangrowth

maybe this works?
252 hp/128 def/124 sp def/4atk
leech seed
grass knot
stun spore
rest

 

[Dark Azelf]

okiedokie physpert it is...

my garchomp is a focus sasher so i guess im keeping rapid spin, and i replace stone edge with stealth rock i might as well just get rid of fatass blissey(or give it tbolt)

anyway, i still need a good ev spread/moveset for a mixed wall/bulky water counter tangrowth

maybe this works?
252 hp/128 def/124 sp def/4atk
leech seed
grass knot
stun spore
rest

This is standard


Tangrowth@Leftovers
Impish Nature
252 HP 252 DEF 6 ATT
- Power Whip
- Sleep Powder
- Knock Off
- Leech Seed


Knock off ruins Leftovers abusers, Choice users etc.

Other moves really dont need explaining.



That Blissey really needs Seismic Toss, but otherwise

Blissey@Leftovers
Modest Nature
252 SP.ATT 252 DEF 6 HP
- Calm Mind
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled