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That team over there.

Crazed_One

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    Hey I have been running this team for a while, and its really done well on both ladders. So rate away please! There are no colors because of the responce I got last time =/.
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    Porygon2 @ Leftovers
    Ability: Trace
    EVs: 240 HP/164 Def/8 SAtk/98 SDef
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Magic Coat
    - Ice Beam
    - Recover
    - Discharge

    This guy can make an amazing lead. Its surprising how Bulky he can be! With Magic Coat you can rebound status from the likes of Gengar, Yanmega, or Zong, right back at them. Discharge and Ice Beam give me my coverage, and Para support, as well as being standard. Recover is there so I can live longer than three turns. I try to keep this guy alive after the start because Trace can be invaluable with the likes of Heatran, Salamence, and Gyarados. The nature and EV spread are for the standard for the bulky lead set. Leftovers is there so I can live up to attacks and recover some damage. This guy in conclusion really helps out the team, and works great as a lead!
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    Gyarados (M) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 72 HP/252 Atk/186 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge

    I have DD Gyara on every team of mine now a'days. You just DD on a switch and 6-0 the enemy. Its surprising how many people don't have a Gyarados counter. I sure do. Waterfall is there for a reliable STAB move, that always comes in handy. Earthquake is a wondeful move that helps with all the evil water resistant pokemons. Stone Edge is a filler that could be either Taunt, or Ice Fang. I decided to go with Stone Edge because of Flinch, the absence of Chomp, and Salamence coverage. The nature of the EV spread is to give Salamence a little more bulk so that he has more of a chance to survive attacks. Overall Gyara really helps out late game, when I have killed their only reliable Gyara counter, or I just DD on a switch. In conclusion, he is a wonderful late-game sweeper.
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    Mamoswine (F) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Snow Cloak
    EVs: 172 HP/252 Atk/86 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Shard
    - Stone Edge
    - Substitute

    Instead of having Peck, or Ice Fang, I chose substitute, with Substitute you can use it on a switch, when normally you just attack and hope for the best. The EV Spread also gives me 101 HP Subs, which is something that I have just gotten into the habbit of doing. Ice Shard is the for many reasons, first of all a reliable method of disposing of DDNite, an Salamence. Secondly it is there for finishing off Focus Sash Survivors, and enemies with low HP that are just asking to get picked off. Earthquake is sef explanatory and is his main method of attacking. Stone Edge is mostly a filler and a good way to deal with Hera. LO is just a preferance about the amount of damage.
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    Machamp (M) @ Choice Band
    Ability: No Guard
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/6 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - DynamicPunch
    - Payback
    - Thunder Edge
    - Ice Punch

    This is one humungous beauty that packs over five hundred attack. The EVs are for high attack, while being bulky in HP. There is no point in investing in speed as it is below almost every poke in it's tier, maybe all of them. Adamant is given, and Choice Band is for ensurred KOs. The Ice and Thunder Punch combo is for dual coverage on many types, backed up with a now one hundred percent accuracy Dynamic Punch, because of No Guard. Payback is mostly a filler that helps with Ghosts, and Psychics.
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    Heatran (F) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Earth Power
    - Fire Blast
    - Hidden Power [Electric]
    - Stealth Rock

    Just your everday standard ScarfTran, with a twist, its Timid, so it outspeeds other ScarfTrans. This is probobly my MVP, as it does the most for the team. It also has HP Electric over Ice because of the absence of Chomp +). The reason for Stealth Rock is that I already have basicly zero support already on my team, so I thought it wouldn't hurt if I added Stealth Rock. This thing can finish up and sweep with a set of Fire Blast like nobody's buisness. This guy has finished games on his own, just like Garchomp...
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    Infernape (M) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Blaze
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
    - Close Combat
    - Flamethrower
    - Grass Knot
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    This is one of my favorite pokemon for many reasons. It can finish up many low health pokes with its one hundred and eight speed, and it is truly spectacular how many teams and MixApe weak! The entire set is standard, except I run Hidden Power over Nasty Plot for added coverage, Life Orb helps on both ends of the damage spectrum, and the Nature is Hasty because I am expected more Special based attacks than Physical ones. The EV spread is also quite standard. This guy is practictly unreplacable.
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    How will you deal with Tyranitar? It comes in extremely easy on Starmie (from my previous experiences using Scarf Starmie), and beats your whole team as nothing can take 2 Choice Banded attacks and the DDer will still come out on top if Suicune is switched in to deal with it.

    101 subs aren't going to help Mamoswine at all considering Mamo switches into Blissey easily and beats it easily, I would prefer a MixSwine -

    Mamoswine @ Life Orb
    Naughty, 252 Attack / 20 SpA / 236 Spe

    Blizzard
    Ice Shard
    Earthquake
    Stone Edge

    Blizzard decimates Skarmory and Weezing (2HKO), this Mamo is only walled by Bronzong and bulky waters if they don't come in on Earthquake.
     
    Aquilae said:
    How will you deal with Tyranitar? It comes in extremely easy on Starmie (from my previous experiences using Scarf Starmie), and beats your whole team as nothing can take 2 Choice Banded attacks and the DDer will still come out on top if Suicune is switched in to deal with it.

    101 subs aren't going to help Mamoswine at all considering Mamo switches into Blissey easily and beats it easily, I would prefer a MixSwine -

    Mamoswine @ Life Orb
    Naughty, 252 Attack / 20 SpA / 236 Spe

    Blizzard
    Ice Shard
    Earthquake
    Stone Edge

    Blizzard decimates Skarmory and Weezing (2HKO), this Mamo is only walled by Bronzong and bulky waters if they don't come in on Earthquake.
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    Substitute isn't only for Blissey, and it has saved me many times, so I think I will keep it.

    As for Tyranitar, I can kill of the leads with Ambipom, and Heatran, Mamoswine, or Gyarados can kill it as well.
     
    Look up a defintion of a counter.

    Ice Fang over Earthquake, Stone Edge and Waterfall cover what EQ does anyway. This is for LOGyara.

    Mamoswine ends any Blissey stupid enough to stay in anyway, Seismic Toss and Flamethrower aren't gonna save it. Use Aquilae's MixSwine.

    Choiced Starmie should NEVER run Psychic, you are BEGGING for Meta, Weavile and T-Tar to come in and Pursuit you.

    Two ChoiceScarfed Special Sweepers? A bit redundant don't you think? Lose one.

    Nice to see you don't have a counter to Garchomp, Tyranitar or Gyarados. Gliscor over Starmie fixes Chomp (to an extent) and Tyranitar. Gyarados can be fixed by putting HP Electric on Suic0nt.
     
    I'd recommend Roar over CM, I know it's meant to out stall a bliss, but a resistant pokemon to surf, who comes in and starts setting up on your rest could be trouble. Besides, you only have 1 attacking move for sleep talk, and roar is just great for PHazing, which MOST teams need.

    ScarfStarmie and Scarftran? If I were you, I'd run ScarfTran, as Cune covers him pretty nicely. Your running Explosion for blissey I assume? You MIGHT want to consider Overheat over Fire Blast, accuracy is about the same, and Overheat gives more ooomph. You'll just be switching any way.
     
    I would consider Overheat on that ScarTran as one it's Timid and two it still hits with 140 Power even after that drop.
     
    DarkTyphlosion157 said:
    Look up a defintion of a counter.

    I have already.

    Ice Fang over Earthquake, Stone Edge and Waterfall cover what EQ does anyway. This is for LOGyara.

    Some Heatrans arn't OHKOed by Waterfall. Ice is not as useful anymore without Chomp to worry you.

    Mamoswine ends any Blissey stupid enough to stay in anyway, Seismic Toss and Flamethrower aren't gonna save it. Use Aquilae's MixSwine.

    I think I will go with substitute, as I already stated.

    Choiced Starmie should NEVER run Psychic, you are BEGGING for Meta, Weavile and T-Tar to come in and Pursuit you.

    Psychic is to OHKO Gengars. I guess I might take it out.

    Two ChoiceScarfed Special Sweepers? A bit redundant don't you think? Lose one.

    I think I will take out Starmie.

    Nice to see you don't have a counter to Garchomp, Tyranitar or Gyarados. Gliscor over Starmie fixes Chomp (to an extent) and Tyranitar. Gyarados can be fixed by putting HP Electric on Suic0nt.

    First of all, Chomp is gone, according to Smogon, which is the authority figure in this subject. Tyranitar is OHKOed by Waterfall from Gyarados. Gyarados on the other hand will be fixed when I take out HP Ice on Heatran, as it isn't very useful with out Chomp, for HP Electric.
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    I'd recommend Roar over CM, I know it's meant to out stall a bliss, but a resistant pokemon to surf, who comes in and starts setting up on your rest could be trouble. Besides, you only have 1 attacking move for sleep talk, and roar is just great for PHazing, which MOST teams need.

    That is a good idea, I will try that out, except, CM is what really makes the set, so I'm not positive yet.

    ScarfStarmie and Scarftran? If I were you, I'd run ScarfTran, as Cune covers him pretty nicely. Your running Explosion for blissey I assume? You MIGHT want to consider Overheat over Fire Blast, accuracy is about the same, and Overheat gives more ooomph. You'll just be switching any way.

    I agree with Overheat, and for Explosion yes, for Blissey.
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    Changes-
    - Ambipom - N/A
    - Gyarados - N/A
    - Mamoswine - N/A
    - Starmie - Removed in favor of Porygon2 for another stopper of Gyrados.
    - Heatran - HP Electric over HP Ice now that Chomp is gone. Overheat over Fire Blast as well.
    - Suicune - Removed CM for testing with Roar, as well as changed nature to Calm for testing with Roar for more SpDef.
     
    You are still VERY Tyranitar weak. I'd honestly get rid of Ambipom for something like Machamp, and lead with Porygon2.
     
    Vance makes a good point.

    Pory2 is one of the best anti-leads I've seen so far.
     
    Ah yes, Garchomp is now Uber after a brief check on Smoh-Gone.
    And Gyarados can't switch into Tyranitar ._. Like I said, put Gliscor in somewhere
    Ice Fang is for Salamence, who you don't want to risk a Stone Edge miss against.
     
    What kind of Machamp are you using then?

    Machamp @ Leftovers
    Adamant
    252 HP/252 Att/6 Def
    Dynamicpunch
    Ice Punch/Stone Edge
    Rest
    Sleep Talk

    Could work over Cune...
     
    *coughcoughhariyamacough*
    *coughsplutterresttalkercough*
     
    Whoops didn't see recent posts, anyways check the bold stuff.

    EDIT: SE like never misses for me, and yes Gyrados is a switch in to Tyranitar because of intimidate, and he can switch on EQs.
     
    Hariyama hahahha. It could work, but Machamp has that sexy Dynamicpunch.
     
    I'd go Dynamicpunch w/ No Guard. Guts abuse is an inferior Hera.
     
    That P2 is...ugly. Please use the standard:

    Porygon2 @ Leftovers
    Bold
    240 HP/164 Def/12 SpA/98 SpD
    Discharge
    Ice Beam
    Magic Coat/Thunder Wave
    Recover
     
    Heatran : -

    So automatically because chomp is not uber we stop using HP Ice ? Oh yeah because Nite and Mence havent been invented yet. =/.

    Overheat is a garbage move on Tran, just use Fire Blast.


    You lack any support, use Stealth Rock >> Explosion.


    Machamp : -

    Fire punch is noob, D-Punch hits things for the same damage even when Fire Punch is super effective. Stone Edge is meh too, Thunder and Ice Punch in those slots please, and Payback is better than Bullet Punch tbh, so you can at least do something to cress.




    And Vance, Guts Machamp being an inferior Heracross is a bogus claim, dont see machamp being walled by Gliscor, Bulky Mence etc as easily as Hera now do we ?
     
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