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The Alternate World

pkmin3033

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    Here's a thought I had that I expect someone else had but I'm not going to comb through all the topics for it.

    In Sun/Moon, once you beat the main story, if you returned to the Altar of the Sunne/Moone, you could pass through a wormhole that essentially transported you into an inverted world, where day was night or night was day, depending on your version.

    Now, that was the only change of note from doing this, but then, this world was only accessible AFTER you'd cleared the main story. Given GF's fondness for shaking things up and surprising us, it is entirely possible that perhaps US/UM are set alongside S/M, only in this alternate world.

    So...what do you think? Do you think that perhaps USUM are set within this Alternate World, given that they offer an "alternate story"? If not, is this Alternate World a feature you would like to see return, or receive an expansion beyond a superficial day/night change?

    Just a thought.
     
    Meyneth said:
    Here's a thought I had that I expect someone else had but I'm not going to comb through all the topics for it.

    In Sun/Moon, once you beat the main story, if you returned to the Altar of the Sunne/Moone, you could pass through a wormhole that essentially transported you into an inverted world, where day was night or night was day, depending on your version.

    Now, that was the only change of note from doing this, but then, this world was only accessible AFTER you'd cleared the main story. Given GF's fondness for shaking things up and surprising us, it is entirely possible that perhaps US/UM are set alongside S/M, only in this alternate world.

    So...what do you think? Do you think that perhaps USUM are set within this Alternate World, given that they offer an "alternate story"? If not, is this Alternate World a feature you would like to see return, or receive an expansion beyond a superficial day/night change?

    Just a thought.
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    Interesting thought! However, the fact that you're seeing Solgaleo/Lunala there in SM post-game still doesn't make it seem likely to me.
     
    L'Belle said:
    Interesting thought! However, the fact that you're seeing Solgaleo/Lunala there in SM post-game still doesn't make it seem likely to me.
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    But it's Cosmog you find, and not Solgaleo/Lunala, no? And given their origins, there could easily be more than one, just as there are multiple UBs. They're not really Legendary Pokemon persay.
     
    Meyneth said:
    But it's Cosmog you find, and not Solgaleo/Lunala, no? And given their origins, there could easily be more than one, just as there are multiple UBs. They're not really Legendary Pokemon persay.
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    Solgaleo and Lunala are said to be ultra beasts of sorts. And Necrozma is hinted to be one too.
    I like to think that Solgaleo and Lunala are the King and Queen of the ultra beasts xD
     
    Remember that Solgaleo, Lunala and Necrozma were shown to have connections to Ultra Beasts. The former two have the ability to travel to Ultra Space while Necrozma was mistakenly called an Ultra Beast by Looker. You also couldn't find Necrozma until after all the Ultra Beasts have been caught.
     
    It could be an alternate world, however it may not be the one depicted in the post-game. From what it seems, it's very possible that either Akala Island is split up into multiple districts or something has happened in which it has become multiple islands through simple volcanic action.

    Granted, this is mainly going off of GameXplain's recent theory about it here. However, I wouldn't go with it right away until we get more info. It could very likely be an baseless rumor.
     
    As an aside, this isn't the first time they've touched on the parallel worlds theory either - I do believe Zinnia mentioned this in the Delta Episode in ORAS, and Looker's presence is very telling as well. Pokemon appears to have two "timelines" after a fashion, so perhaps USUM will be set in this alternate timeline and will draw upon events from past games in that fashion?
     
    Meyneth said:
    As an aside, this isn't the first time they've touched on the parallel worlds theory either - I do believe Zinnia mentioned this in the Delta Episode in ORAS, and Looker's presence is very telling as well. Pokemon appears to have two "timelines" after a fashion, so perhaps USUM will be set in this alternate timeline and will draw upon events from past games in that fashion?
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    I don' t think that they will be revisiting the previous alternate timeline since it was explicitly mentioned that Mega Evolution doesn't exist in that timeline. I am quite sure we're still going to see Mega evolution from hereon out.
     
    Home said:
    I don' t think that they will be revisiting the previous alternate timeline since it was explicitly mentioned that Mega Evolution doesn't exist in that timeline. I am quite sure we're still going to see Mega evolution from hereon out.
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    I got the distinct impression that Mega Evolution was done with as a storyline, and the inclusion of Mega Stones in SM was very haphazard and not really all that significant...it seemed to me that Z-Moves had more or less replaced it, since asides from Rayquaza it's impossible for a Pokemon to be able to Mega Evolve and use a Z-Move, I think. As the two are mutually exclusive, it seems possible to me that they exist in different dimensions.
     
    Meyneth said:
    I got the distinct impression that Mega Evolution was done with as a storyline, and the inclusion of Mega Stones in SM was very haphazard and not really all that significant...it seemed to me that Z-Moves had more or less replaced it, since asides from Rayquaza it's impossible for a Pokemon to be able to Mega Evolve and use a Z-Move, I think. As the two are mutually exclusive, it seems possible to me that they exist in different dimensions.
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    They could. But they do exist in the same dimension as of SM since they are both obtainable in the storyline.
     
    Meyneth said:
    I got the distinct impression that Mega Evolution was done with as a storyline, and the inclusion of Mega Stones in SM was very haphazard and not really all that significant...it seemed to me that Z-Moves had more or less replaced it, since asides from Rayquaza it's impossible for a Pokemon to be able to Mega Evolve and use a Z-Move, I think. As the two are mutually exclusive, it seems possible to me that they exist in different dimensions.
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    I can tell you that Rayquaza can't Mega Evolve while holding a Z-Crystal, likely to keep it from being too overpowered. This experiment from a YouTuber named Foofootoo explains it all.

     
    Home said:
    They could. But they do exist in the same dimension as of SM since they are both obtainable in the storyline.
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    A third dimension, perhaps? It's not that far-fetched...I mean, look at the Zelda timeline, three dimensions is pretty straightforward by comparison.

    Or perhaps Ultra Space could act to bridge the two dimensions together? I think it'd be pretty interesting if that was the case, and it's certainly not the first time something foreign has entered one reality from the other...Looker is proof enough of that, after all. That Mega Evolution never played a huge part in things and was more of a postgame addendum would suggest that it's a relatively new and unheard of thing, too.

    Hikamaru said:
    I can tell you that Rayquaza can't Mega Evolve while holding a Z-Crystal, likely to keep it from being too overpowered. This experiment from a YouTuber named Foofootoo explains it all.
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    Huh, now this I was not aware of...I never bothered experimenting, haha. Although this would suggest to me further that the two things are (or were initially) separate to the two realities, since they're mutually exclusive things that Pokemon can do.
     
    Meyneth said:
    A third dimension, perhaps? It's not that far-fetched...I mean, look at the Zelda timeline, three dimensions is pretty straightforward by comparison.

    Or perhaps Ultra Space could act to bridge the two dimensions together? I think it'd be pretty interesting if that was the case, and it's certainly not the first time something foreign has entered one reality from the other...Looker is proof enough of that, after all. That Mega Evolution never played a huge part in things and was more of a postgame addendum would suggest that it's a relatively new and unheard of thing, too.
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    A third-dimension could be, but certainly not the other dimension with Battle Frontier.

    Ultra Space as a bridge is a good theory though lol.
     
    Home said:
    A third-dimension could be, but certainly not the other dimension with Battle Frontier.

    Ultra Space as a bridge is a good theory though lol.
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    Well, maybe, maybe not...I think they've kinda given up on the Battle Frontier as a concept.

    Having multiple dimensions this way being bridged together would lead right into Sinnoh remakes too...I can't imagine the Creation Trio would be too pleased having UBs encroaching on their territory, and Arceus would be pretty pissed too. Maybe they're going somewhere with it...or maybe I'm just trying too hard to read between the lines. xD
     
    Meyneth said:
    Well, maybe, maybe not...I think they've kinda given up on the Battle Frontier as a concept.

    Having multiple dimensions this way being bridged together would lead right into Sinnoh remakes too...I can't imagine the Creation Trio would be too pleased having UBs encroaching on their territory, and Arceus would be pretty pissed too. Maybe they're going somewhere with it...or maybe I'm just trying too hard to read between the lines. xD
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    Wow, you're certainly going somewhere with it. A rift in the space-time thing might trigger the dppt legendaries lol.
     
    Home said:
    Wow, you're certainly going somewhere with it. A rift in the space-time thing might trigger the dppt legendaries lol.
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    I think (or hope) they'll try and actually flesh out Ultra Space a little in these games, because we have absolutely no idea what the bloody hell it is still, haha. It's not entirely sure whether or not its something that Arceus created or not (and if it didn't, then what did? More UBs incoming, or maybe an "Omega Pokemon" to counteract Arceus?) so if it isn't, they could easily lead into DPPt remakes...or, I suppose, an "Alpha Episode" to USUM bringing Arceus into the games to tie up the story.

    But they've got this Alternate World just sitting there that feels like it was supposed to be so much more than what it actually was. Like the train lines in Kalos that never went anywhere. Since they're bothering going back to Alola again, I feel like they're going to do something significant with it. Or take it out entirely. xD
     
    Meyneth said:
    Since they're bothering going back to Alola again, I feel like they're going to do something significant with it. Or take it out entirely. xD
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    I'm sure they'll plan to put it in a bigger role, especially since I feel this game will tie up loose ends that were shown at the end of S/M's story.
     
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