The Best Overall Team (Unofficial)

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I like Nasty Plot though as it boosts special Attack by two stage. Shadow Ball has only a 10% chance of lower the opponents special defense by one stage. Plus it is always better to boost your stats then lower you opponents.

Not to mention Togekiss has the defense to sneak in a least one Nasty Plot. (Meaning we arent facing something it is weak too.)
 
I'd go with Nasty Plot over Shadow Ball any day. But technically, it is better to lower your opponents than raise your stats. What if you get roared? If you lowered the opponents power, then get roared, your next Pokemon can still own it.
 
I agree. An Air Slash/Shadow Ball combo powered up by Serine Grace is perfect to me.

Hey, Paranoia's back. Horray!!!
 
Actually the same argument could work in reverse. What if we used Shadow Ball on a Pokemon and lowered it's special defense and killed it next turn.

Wouldnt it be better to use an attack such as Nasty Plot instead? Better to have it on your Pokemon then a Pokemon that goes bye bye. We are basically saying our Pokemon is more durable and permanent then the opponents.

Sorry if we are going a bit of focus Vainz but this team screams Spike/Stealth Rock/Whirlwind/Roar me. It also screams freeze, burn, paralyze, poison me! As much as we all dont like the fat pink puff it does have Aromatherapy/Heal Bell at its disposal along with Natural Cure.

But if we are going for some originality we might be able to sneak in Roserade. :)
 
I don't like that togekiss, get rid of toxic for sure, keep flamethrower so we have skarmory defense, and instead of SB put reflect as defense, so the togekiss can act as a wish passer, and wall raiser, and instead of roost, wish, as you don't want to loose your ground immunity for a turn, It hurts when you have lost it.

I dont want to do hustlekiss, (Lol at the name) 80% is craptacular, You guys didn't want that accuracy on those other pokemon, but still moves that don't miss, are you sure they aren't lowered?

Also with Wish, Does it have to be BPed or if togekiss uses the move, then switches, will the pokemon in play receive the wish? Shame she can't learn any sleeping move,Wait, She does, we could throw in yawn, so that it forces a switch and if the don't we could allow a heal.

But so far, My own togekiss moveset is:

Togekiss @ Lefties
Ability: Serene Grace
Nature: Timid (If I recall correctly)
EVs: 104 HP / 148 Speed / 152 Sp. Atk / 100 Sp. Def
Moveset:
- Flamethrower
- Wish (Now, Was aurasphere)
- Air Slash
- Reflect

And I will make a new one:

Togekiss @ Lefties
Ability: Serene Grace
Nature: Timid (If I recall correctly)
EVs: 158 HP / 252 Speed / 100 Sp. Def
Moveset:
- Baton Pass
- Wish (Now, Was aurasphere)
- Air Slash
- Yawn

Also, Punishment the thing about roserade, does she have staying power?, If she did it would be awesome, But remember Ice beam is one of the most common moves on Sp. Sweepers, so yeah, It would be tricky.

Still, This team is screaming to be spiked or stealth rocked, we need a Rapid spinner, SOMEONE LIKE STARMIE!!!! :D :D :D!

Vainz, Here is your team, I just made it a bit better:
Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Nature: + Sp. Def, - Sp. Atk
Evs: 252 HP / 184 Sp. Def / 72 Atk
Moveset:
- Shadow Sneak
- Pain Split
- Will-O-Wisp
- Mean Look / Gravity


Alrighty!, Shadow sneak gets 60 base power with STAB and can hurt pokemon like gengar, who would otherwise try and use shadowball, you would survive and use SS again and he would die. Pain split if they bring out blissey all the likes, Will-o When they switch (Predict) Mean look for blissey, Gravity is so Meta and Sala can rip through birds (Like Skarm)


Metagross @ Item
Ability: Clear Body
Nature: + Atk, - Sp. Atk
Evs: 252 Atk / 152 HP / 100 Spd
Moveset:
- Thunder Punch / Zen Headbutt / Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Agility

Basic Agiligross, I prefer Zen Headbutt, as it says Hi to Heracross, thunderpunch is awesome against milotic and Starmie (When you have used agility) MM is a basic stab move that deals **** loads of damage.


Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
Nature: +Def, - Atk
Evs: 252 Def / 178 HP / 80 Sp. Atk
Moveset:
- Rest
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Sleep Talk



Sleeptalker, Stops chances of being toxified, and the sleep status doubles her already max defense.


Salamence @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Nature: + Spd, - Def
Evs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Moveset:
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Blast
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake


Basic Salamence, Can deal with skarmory, as a fireblast says hi, He wants Choice Scarf to outrun any Infernape (I think, if they aren't running choice scarf themselves) Would rip through a team if he got a BP of SD or Agili (Ninjask is awesome at this btw) Stone edge to any bird (Like the bird trio) EQ to Steels like Meta, Which a normal Meta (Maxed EVs) wouldn't outrun this beast.
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Hey, Punishment is here too. Happy times for all!!!

Now that its outta my system, Blissey might not be so bad. I learned alot about originallity after your's and other comments from my thread Stealth Rocker. Being original doesn't mean doing things differently, it means doing things for yourself, to me anyways. We shouldn't not use Blissey cause everybody else isn't. We should use it if we like it. Though I still vouch for Roserade, grass types are my favorite.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I Wii type quite slowly, so excuse my future late post.
 
Hmm well we already have Milotic but Starmie is another one of my favorite water types. But we dont want two water Pokemon do we? Roserade can learn the awesome Aroma but she unfortunately doesnt have much staying power.

Well how about Claydol instead of Starmie? We discussed this in Sims thread because it can learn Rapid Spin in Stealth Rock. Then again Starmie has quite a beautiful move pool and the awesome Natural Cure. But then Claydol has Levitate. Great now I am questioning if we should replace Dusknoir. XD
 
Well lets not go there yet. Though, I do like Starmie, lets not go to second geussing Milotic.
 
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Hmm well we already have Milotic but Starmie is another one of my favorite water types. But we dont want two water Pokemon do we? Roserade can learn the awesome Aroma but she unfortunately doesnt have much staying power.

Well how about Claydol instead of Starmie? We discussed this in Sims thread because it can learn Rapid Spin in Stealth Rock. Then again Starmie has quite a beautiful move pool and the awesome Natural Cure. But then Claydol has Levitate. Great now I am questioning if we should replace Dusknoir. XD
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I don't think it really matters if we have two water pokemon on our team, Claydol is good, but I was thinking starmie as she is a great attacker aswell, Still blissey would be awesome.
 
Wait, Aromatherapy? Starmie? What are we talking about now? Are we done with Togekiss?
 
Woo boy did this thread dropped. Guys, we really gotta finish this team.
 
Dude, you shouldn't double post. -.-
 
My bad, but I had to do something to prevent this thread from dying. Besides, no one else posted in a while.
 
Yeah, I guess lol. Anyway, I'm coming off, because I'm tired xD.
 
Me too, it's 3:35AM in Brooklyn.
 
Guys, you didnt even try to stay focused. But i guess that is all in the past. We seem to have put a good dent on Togekiss. I guess it has been decided to get rid of Porygon-Z (he had a good run). From what i am reading, we have a couple of choices. I like Scerene Grace Kiss better, but that is my preference. Here is the Moveset i like.

Togekiss@ Leftovers
EV's Def-252, Sp.Attack-128, HP-128
Nature: Modest
-Air Slash
-Aura Sphere
-Thunder Wave
-Nasty Plot/Roost

I prefer to Thunder Wave for speed so i can use the EV's in other area's. SO, post only about Togekiss, and what we should do with it. I see that no one is even intrested in Metagross right now, so we will move on. I cant even see any organization in the last few posts. Some of you are talking about Blissey, some are talking about Roserade and Starmie. If we are not orgainzed, then we will never finish this team. Focus only on if we will use Blissey or not.

lets try this again:

only post about THESE TOPICS:

-Togekiss set up

or

-The use of Blissey

Please dont change the subject. cough..cough....Punishment
 
Sorry Vainz but I think the problem with our first team is analyzing each Pokemon one by one for what they were weak to etc.

Instead we should have really focused on the team as a whole to see what the team was weak to too. Thus the reason no one saw the big Umbreon and bunch of other flaws etc.

Regarding Togekiss I like this:

Togekiss@ Leftovers
Timid (+ Spd, -Atk)
EV: 252 Sp. Atk / Spd 200 / HP 58
-Air Slash
-Thunder Wave
-Nasty Plot
-Roost

Basically I want a really fast Togekiss. With Speed she could set up one Nasty Plot on her monstrous Special Attack stat. She could Wave on the first turn of her opponent is faster. Wish is too slow in my honest opinion. So Roost it is. Plus it could get rid of her electric weakness for one turn of we predict it right.

Okay now onto Metagross which I already did post up a suggestion. Like I said I like each and one of them to be self-sufficient. We really do not need a Baton Passer.

Metagross@ Life Orb
Adamant (+ Atk, -Sp. Atk)
EV: 252 Atk / 154 HP / 104 Spd
-Explosion
-Earthquake
-Agility
-Meteor Mash

I already explained why I liked Agility on Metagross. I also prefer Explosion over ThunderPunch because it is a near guarantee that Metagross takes someone down with him. Most of the time the only place where ThunderPunch has gotten useful is against maybe a Milotic. She still laughs though as it isnt enough to kill her (assuming she was at full health). It isnt even that good against a Skarmory.

The uses of Blissey. She people dont like her but there is a reason she is in many competitive teams. For one she can learn Heal Bell/Aromatheraphy. Another she has a massive base Hp and an above decent Special Defense. Therefore she is suited as a special wall. (If most people didnt already know that. ;p) She has Softboiled at he disposal which annoy the heck out of people. She has Natural Cure asd an option so she could easily switch into a Toxic, Thunder Wave you get the message. She herself cna learn ThunderWave and as fat and slow as she is that is a good thing. She needs it.

Blissey@ Leftovers
Bold (+ Def, -Atk)
EV: 252 Def / 252 HP / 6 Sp. Def
-Aromatheraphy
-Softboiled
-Thunder Wave
-Seismic Toss/Ice Beam/ThunderBolt

Max defense is a must on a Blissey these days considering all those fists flying in the air so often. The last move is a filler though seeing as you cant get Seismic Toss in the 4th generation on a Blissey. Her Special Attack is decent and can dent a Dragon type with Ice Beam.

So I listed a bunch of stuff so discuss.
 
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Now I don't like Air Slash as the only attack move. Maybe we can squeeze in Flamethrower for Skarmory, but I'm not sure where. And like I said, I don't use Metagross, but I like the idea of Agility on Metagross.
 
If you have Air Slash and Flamethrower, what if you're last against a rock/ground type? Also, I don't know if max defense on Blissey does anything, she has like 10 base defense.
 
With HP like that, she can barely survive at least once. Which is all we need. I propose that we use Counter over Seismec Toss, though to me it doesn't matter.
 
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