The Best Overall Team (Unofficial)

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Really? Trust me. As a Rest using Forry, I can beat almost any Hera.

I'll say it again. I don't know how it is in shoddy, but I've seen plenty of Resting Forry's on wifi. Specifically Smogon, though that's pretty moot. That & Dark Azelf is what gave me the idea, & he is my prime Hera Blocker .I've battled plenty of Banded Hera, & it takes years to bust through it. As I just recharge with Rest.

Are you kidding me? My Flygon tears through most of those pokes you've mentioned, that was a messed-up example. Especially Cressila, with U-Turn.

Hera is also pretty much walled by Gya, but that's not saying much, since everyone is walled by something. But it shows that it's not that hard to wall, especially due to the fact that he has been out longer.

We do need to consider Dusknoir.

& I will quote you in my sig. That goes on the top ten best quotes of 2008. Right after "The first thing I said after playing PBR...I want my 44 dollars back".

As for the reason I am so pissed, & will not hesitate to bark at the next one to annoy me is because it seems many people take shoddy experience over actual wifi experience. That's the whole reason Iceman "claimed" to leave battling-because how flawwed it can be.
 
Well there seem to be less newbs on Shoddy, and more around WiFi areas, but I personally have a lot of both, and Shoddy is just easier because I DONT HAVE TO BREED!!!

Now back on topic if we need something to counter Heracross I say we use Gliscor. People said Weezing, and I rolled with it, but Gliscor makes more sense to me. With Aerial Ace, I was with Anti-Pop a while back.
 
sims796 said:
Really? Trust me. As a Rest using Forry, I can beat almost any Hera.

Rest Forry will almost always beat it, I'm thinking more of the non-rest Forrys that get blown apart. I'm not sure, but I think CBcross will 2HKO (or so I've been told)

I'll say it again. I don't know how it is in shoddy, but I've seen plenty of Resting Forry's on wifi. Specifically Smogon, though that's pretty moot. That & Dark Azelf is what gave me the idea, & he is my prime Hera Blocker .I've battled plenty of Banded Hera, & it takes years to bust through it. As I just recharge with Rest.

Well, Shoddy and WiFi differ a lot...

Are you kidding me? My Flygon tears through most of those pokes you've mentioned, that was a messed-up example. Especially Cressila, with U-Turn.

I've never seen a U-Turning mixed flygon before. Cresselia can get up Refelct though and lonely and a few Atk EVs won't really hurt that bad. Any bulky water smashed a mixed Flygon though, while a CBed flygon's Earthquake will kill a Milotic in 2 hits, and Fire Punch can even hurt the likes of Bronzong.

Hera is also pretty much walled by Gya, but that's not saying much, since everyone is walled by something. But it shows that it's not that hard to wall, especially due to the fact that he has been out longer.

Since Gyara is usually a lead, it's pretty easy to predict the switch and stone edge it. Any Gyara that doesn't lead or that you don't know about can do this, but it's an easy prediction. I see your point though. Still, Heracross (in the hands of a player who is an expert predict-er) can ravage teams that lack a really good counter. Remember, if forry takes even a little damage (especially the lousy shed shell variants), Close Combat from CB will 2HKO. On a Forretress. That's saying something.

However, I do agree with you that, if you can outpredict the user of Hera, its power is nullified greatly, almost to the point where it's useless.

We do need to consider Dusknoir.

Indeed.

& I will quote you in my sig. That goes on the top ten best quotes of 2008. Right after "The first thing I said after playing PBR...I want my 44 dollars back".

:)

As for the reason I am so pissed, & will not hesitate to bark at the next one to annoy me is because it seems many people take shoddy experience over actual wifi experience. That's the whole reason Iceman "claimed" to leave battling-because how flawwed it can be.

Shoddy is very flawed, especially the way it haxes people and crap. Still, the metagame remains somewhat the same (only more legends since they can be obtained easier). Really, it's the same thing though as far as the overall battling aspect goes though. It's the D/P metagame for both, plain and simple (though there are noticeable differences, it is for the most part the same.)
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If you can outpredict heracross, it's the easiest countered pokemon...seriously. If you can't, you're about screwed (unless you have a really solid counter like Weezing).

But yeah, Dusknoir sounds like a good idea (and it and Bliss cover each other's weaks well.)

Weezing really is good though. We need a hazer, might as well use that. EDIT: Gliscor is better overall though, but no 4x ice weak = epic win.
 
Ok well I think Dusknoir seems to fit the team well, now if sims and dark azelf say ok we could have a majority.

Dusknoir-Leftovers
Evs and crap
Will"O"Wisp
Pani Split
Shadow Sneak
FIre Punch
 
Just pointing out that with Noir we get massacred by Weavile, we're going to need a Weezing over Gliscor FOR SURE. (Or we can use Gross as a physical sweeper.) Gliscor gets owned by ice punch, which is why we need weezing with flamethrower to torch it and Heracross.
 
I say sure.

On a sidenote...

I would love to see another role, such as Baton Passing made in. Like Vaporeon. Sure, she's not as pretty as Leafeon, nor is she as good looking, nor is she an awesome grass-type...what was my point?

Oh yeah, it would be great if this team wasn't so...unflexible. We are stretching so much, we don't have room for any optional roles. Each poke here plays a specific role, & it must STAY to that role, get it? There's not much room for creativity.
 
First off, if we're discussing Mixed walls, and you're saying Dusknoir, of course I'll be asking why? Spiritomb outwalls it, completely, due to Immunity to Psychic, almost the exact same movepool, access to sucker punch, and no 2x weaknesses.
 
Ooka said:
First off, if we're discussing Mixed walls, and you're saying Dusknoir, of course I'll be asking why? Spiritomb outwalls it, completely, due to Immunity to Psychic, almost the exact same movepool, access to sucker punch, and no 2x weaknesses.
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Dusknoir can actually attack. It has a far better movepool as well, and Shadow Sneak is great and more reliable than sucker punch.

I'm actually shocked people like Spiritomb so much when it has no resistances.

Dusknoir can deal with Gyarados and further our destruction of Heracross. I don't really see what Spiritomb would do. Besides, Noir is more sound in its statistical makeup. Better defenses, both have pathetic HP, Noir can attack way better. Blissey takes any psychic attack, seriously. Not to mention Starmie resists as well and recovers off any damage it sustains.

Dusknoir does more for this team anyways IMO. We don't have Zam, Azelf, or Gengar problems anyways. Any Specs Focus blast will be taken by blissey, and then we just switch to Dusknoir to take it...meaning Blissey will be good to go.

Then Noir gets a free WoW on the incoming pokemon.
 
I want Dusknoir as well, but I have to step in to say Spirit is far from bad. Yes, it resist fighting, Psychic, & Poison, useless as that is.

But all technecalities aside, saying Spirit is bad is overkill. They resist the same things, & Dusk actually has an added weakness in Dark. Meaning Pursuiters makes it hard to switch, Crunch can give it problems, etc.


But I still say Dusk, for his attacking abilities.
 
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sims796 said:
I want Dusknoir as well, but I have to step in to say Spirit is far from bad. Yes, it resist fighting, Psychic, & Poison, useless as that is.

But all technecalities aside, saying Spirit is bad is overkill. They resist the same things, & Dusk actually has an added weakness in Dark. Meaning Pursuiters makes it hard to switch, Crunch can give it problems, etc.

But I still say Dusk, for his attacking abilities.
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No no, spiritomb isn't bad, but it IS bad by comparison to top-tier walls. BTW, those are immunities, not resistances ;) Noir has the same ones except psychic, which isn't needed as stated above.

Spiritomb is actually quite an annoying little pest, but it can't take the hits other pokemon can.

They both have good abilities though. Pressure FTW
 
Immunities, resistances, what's the difference? Heck, I'd rather have an Electric immunity than an Electric resistances.

Plus, while shadow Sneak is much less situational, it also has (with STAB) a measilly base power of 60. Not exactly something to tell mommy about. When my Gya fights Noir without Thunderpunch, it's a free charge up. Sucker Punch, however, has (with STAB) a base power of 120. Much more satisfyng. Still, I have outpredicted many Sucker Punches, in order to charge, or worst, cast sleep/Reflect. Plus, Shadow Sneak is that last minute kill on a weakend poke. Whatever you think is best.
 
sims796 said:
Immunities, resistances, what's the difference? Heck, I'd rather have an Electric immunity than an Electric resistances.

Plus, while shadow Sneak is much less situational, it also has (with STAB) a measilly base power of 60. Not exactly something to tell mommy about. When my Gya fights Noir without Thunderpunch, it's a free charge up. Sucker Punch, however, has (with STAB) a base power of 120. Much more satisfyng. Still, I have outpredicted many Sucker Punches, in order to charge, or worst, cast sleep/Reflect. Plus, Shadow Sneak is that last minute kill on a weakend poke. Whatever you think is best.
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Sucker Punch is REALLY easy to predict...

Noir's Shadow Sneak will beat anything weakened (besides Normal types) to the ground. The likes of Gengar and Zam get loled at.

By the thing on resists, I mostly meant that they have the same immunities for the most part, only Dusknoir has resists ON TOP OF the immunities. Probably should have made that more clear.
 
Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 said:
Sucker Punch is REALLY easy to predict...

Noir's Shadow Sneak will beat anything weakened (besides Normal types) to the ground. The likes of Gengar and Zam get loled at.

By the thing on resists, I mostly meant that they have the same immunities for the most part, only Dusknoir has resists ON TOP OF the immunities. Probably should have made that more clear.
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Nope. They have the exact same resist, but Noir has more weaknesses, and Spirit has more immunities.

I'm sorry, Noir resist bug. Wohoo. Not really worth saying "it has more resist", since Spirit can also boast more immunities.

Plus, even though Sucker Punch is easy to predict, it's not one of those moves that you can really do much. That move is pretty reliable, since most people will opt to ATK right away. Plus, when it hits, it does considerable damage, To those same pokes you mentioned, they will most likely attack straight up, only to get played. As for Sneak, well, I said that, with Gya.

Thing is, Noir also has more Attacking options, like the elemental punches. So it can afford to have a weak Shadow sneak. But NOT as a sole move, which I had too many idiots think that Shadow Sneak can beat Bulkydos. Why do they do that. You frick'n idiots, YOU CANNOT USE WEAK MOVES TO BEAT A BULKY POKE WITH LEFTOVERS!!!!

Huff...sorry. That just eats up at me when they do that.
 
sims796 said:
Nope. They have the exact same resist, but Noir has more weaknesses, and Spirit has more immunities.

Bug resist is cool to beat Heracross, that makes a difference (especially if Weezing is on its detah bed)...this has saved me countless times.

I'm sorry, Noir resist bug. Wohoo. Not really worth saying "it has more resist", since Spirit can also boast more immunities.

Psychic is a lot less common than bug.

Plus, even though Sucker Punch is easy to predict, it's not one of those moves that you can really do much. That move is pretty reliable, since most people will opt to ATK right away. Plus, when it hits, it does considerable damage, To those same pokes you mentioned, they will most likely attack straight up, only to get played. As for Sneak, well, I said that, with Gya.

I always CM up if I find Spiritomb against my alakazam though. It's just a set-up fodder IMO.

Thing is, Noir also has more Attacking options, like the elemental punches. So it can afford to have a weak Shadow sneak. But NOT as a sole move, which I had too many idiots think that Shadow Sneak can beat Bulkydos. Why do they do that. You frick'n idiots, YOU CANNOT USE WEAK MOVES TO BEAT A BULKY POKE WITH LEFTOVERS!!!!

lol Shadow Sneak beats Bulkydos lol

Huff...sorry. That just eats up at me when they do that.
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Bug resist comes in handy a lot, especially since Yanmega has been seeing more popularity (weird O_o)

And Heracross is a PAIN. The Bug resist rocks.

And lol yeah, I've actually ran a Noir with Sneak/Fire/Thunderpunch/Pain Split and it worked quite well...WoW is bait for guts abusers and I wasn't used to the Metagame yet...so it actually worked well as a more offensive approach.

But yeah, Sneak does nothing as an only option, and is asking my Ambipom to set up on you :(
 
Ah, but that's the thing. Spirit won't take much damage from Megahorn anyway. I meant to say that Noir gets Hera resistance, but still. Don't undermine sucker Punch. It's not like Gya, where you KNOW it has DD, & can easily be countered, Spirit's main issues comes with his wide array of status inlictions. Such as Hypnosis. It doesn't take much prediction to pull off Sucker Punch. It makes up for it's flaws with pure power, being twice as strong as Sneak. Plus, it's good on other pokes, like Dugtrio. But lets ignore that arguement, since it's only on Spirit.

I wholeheartedly agree that Noir will do more for this team, but Spirit is the energetic little brother.
 
Spiritomb takes a beating from Megahorn when it's STABed from Heracross. It hurts...

Yeah, so we've basically decided on Noir. So now what? lol
 
We decide to scrap the entire team, & instead, go with my team, which has no weaknesses. We also call it "Team sims796", after me, sims796.

It was Vainz final wishes before he left. I, uh, got it on a PM.
 
Coooourse you did sims. Now back to not having Team Sims and Having Team Midni- I mean Pokecommunity. Right now its

Dusknoir-Wall of the Mixed
Blissey-Wall of the Special
Weezing-Wall of the Physical
Starmie-Spinner of the Bulky Variety
Dragonite/Heracross/Plausible Others-Sweeper of the Physical
And the Mysterious ???

I say we start with a Sweeper of the Physical. Weavile is actually saddening me on Shoddy to face them, ScarfCross would have beaten the crap outta that last one if Stone Edge hadn;t missed twice against a Pokemon that has Pressure!!!! Sorry stil pissed at it. Also, back to Gliscor debate, Aerial Ace FTW. Electivire is just blah. Marowak? Not unless we speed pass to it really. Im going to say Dragonite for last minute sweeping.
 
Midnight Winged said:
Coooourse you did sims. Now back to not having Team Sims and Having Team Midni- I mean Pokecommunity. Right now its

Dusknoir-Wall of the Mixed
Blissey-Wall of the Special
Weezing-Wall of the Physical
Starmie-Spinner of the Bulky Variety
Dragonite/Heracross/Plausible Others-Sweeper of the Physical
And the Mysterious ???

I say we start with a Sweeper of the Physical. Weavile is actually saddening me on Shoddy to face them, ScarfCross would have beaten the crap outta that last one if Stone Edge hadn;t missed twice against a Pokemon that has Pressure!!!! Sorry stil pissed at it. Also, back to Gliscor debate, Aerial Ace FTW. Electivire is just blah. Marowak? Not unless we speed pass to it really. Im going to say Dragonite for last minute sweeping.
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Hmm... I say Metagross. Only two weaknesses is good, a base 135 Attack (I think it's somewhere around there) is great, and it gets Meteor Mash, which works well with Clear Body. Plus, with a ton of resistances, it should be able to switch in on a lot of stuff.
 
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