The Burqa - Should it be banned?

Yuoaman said:
Hell no.

That's just like asking to ban the wearing of a Christian cross, or anything else a part of someone's culture or religion.
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Except that wearing a crossing doesn't prevent you from being identifiable to the public. It's a matter of public safety.

If they want to wear it in private, in their houses (or friends' or family or wherever), by all means go ahead. If you're out in public, then I want to see your face.

I'm fine with the hijab, but not the burqa.
 
I have no problem with women who are modest and cover up their hair...but to cover up your whole face? Why? It's so hard for me to understand that in such a free society that I live in. It really gets on my nerves as a woman.

And plus, to make it a law to cover up your face? That's not right. That is not equality. I still think it should be banned. It's a very patriarchal thing.
 
Yuoaman said:
That has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

And a lot of valid points made, but I still stand by my statement. If the woman wants to wear something that is significant in their culture/religion she shouldn't be made to remove it.
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So despite evidence being provided that the burqa has been used in crime you stay committed to your original view?

Never mind that it is a tool of oppression, an unhealthy way to dress (not getting any sunlight is a bad thing), and it's a way to shift the blame of rape from men onto the women (i.e. it's her own fault she got raped if she was showing too much skin).

You still want to stand by your statement? There is a limit as to how tolerant one can be (unlimited tolerance is ultimately unsustainable).

Also, this is relevant:
Chechnya Coerces Women on Dress, Activists Say
By SOPHIA KISHKOVSKY
Published: September 27, 2010

MOSCOW — Women in Chechnya are under pressure to adopt Islamic dress, according to human rights activists and an Islamic fundamentalist video circulating on the Internet in the latest example of deteriorating women's rights under Ramzan A. Kadyrov, the president of the restive southern Russian republic.
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Click here to read the rest.
So in case you didn't realise, most Islamic women don't even have the choice to wear it - it's forced upon them
 
Yuoaman said:
If the woman wants to wear something that is significant in their culture/religion she shouldn't be made to remove it.
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I'd stand by this as well.

No, a woman should not be forced to wear a burqa because it is part of her culture - and I'm sure more than half the population in woman of this culture, given the chance, would go without it. But for those who do wear it because they are strong believers of their own culture shouldn't be forced to remove it either.

Yes, covering up your body hides your identity and can make you seem mysterious to the outside (being honest, if I confronted one of them, I'd feel nervous to talk to them, much less have confrontation with them), but banning it isn't going to stop it.

I'd understand not allowing it outside your home or outside events other than cultural/religious services, but it shouldn't be banned completely from a person or country. It seems very low in priority compared to the other issues they may have it hand.
 
Hiiro said:

I'd stand by this as well.

No, a woman should not be forced to wear a burqa because it is part of her culture - and I'm sure more than half the population in woman of this culture, given the chance, would go without it. But for those who do wear it because they are strong believers of their own culture shouldn't be forced to remove it either.
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I would imagine that a large portion where the burqa because they're forced to by the male figures in their life.
 
As far as I know, the Koran states that men and women should dress modestly in public but it makes no direct statement as to whether or not the burqa should be worn. It seems more like a cultural/personal choice than a religious one.
 
Hiiro said:

I'd stand by this as well.

No, a woman should not be forced to wear a burqa because it is part of her culture - and I'm sure more than half the population in woman of this culture, given the chance, would go without it. But for those who do wear it because they are strong believers of their own culture shouldn't be forced to remove it either.
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strong believers of their own culture
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That... what? That doesn't even make sense!

In any case, you've admitted to believing that the burqa is forced upon a significant number of the population - why then do you continue to defend it when it is clearly a tool of oppression? You just admitted that it was.

Pumpkin Fields said:
As far as I know, the Koran states that men and women should dress modestly in public but it makes no direct statement as to whether or not the burqa should be worn. It seems more like a cultural/personal choice than a religious one.
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Why do you, and so many others, assume that religion and culture are always mutually exclusive. You even just admitted that there are instructions in the Qur'an to dress modestly in public, and then go to say that it's got little to do with the religion. Can you contradict yourself any more?
 
Amachi said:
Why do you, and so many others, assume that religion and culture are always mutually exclusive. You even just admitted that there are instructions in the Qur'an to dress modestly in public, and then go to say that it's got little to do with the religion. Can you contradict yourself any more?
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Dress modestly =/= wear a burqa.

Derp.
 
Amachi said:
That... what? That doesn't even make sense!

In any case, you've admitted to believing that the burqa is forced upon a significant number of the population - why then do you continue to defend it when it is clearly a tool of oppression? You just admitted that it was.
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Let's put this in simpler terms then. It was too early in the morning to think straight on a topic like this. XD;
- It shouldn't be forced upon women and being used as a tool of oppression just makes it worse.
- If a woman herself chooses to wear it, then so be it.
- Banning part of a culture seems unfair. I can understand not allowing it for events such as a job, or other specific occasions, but other than that, a woman should be free to wear it wherever and whenever she wants if she even wants to at all.
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I think that's pretty clear enough on where I stand on the subject.
 
I'm not sure where I stand on this one really, but in terms of fairness (Yay for childishness!) then seeing as most countries that women must wear burquas will make foreign women wh are wearing, say bikinis or mini-skirts change to cover themselves up because it offends them, then we should be allowed to tell them to change aswell.
 
No, it should not be banned. Doing so would violate the 1st Amendment right of free practice of religion. The Burga is an Islamic religious garment and therefore protected under the 1st Amendment.
 
If it's the woman's decision to wear it, then she should be damned well able to wear it. It's called Cultural Relativism, we need to judge someone's culture by the standards of their own culture and not our own. Even if it's a tool for discrimination, it is her decision.

It's like saying Jewish men should be banned from wearing Yamachas because we don't wear them.
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FreakyLocz14 said:
Actually, there are exceptions to animal cruelty laws in some states that allow for religious animal sacrafice practices.
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That's the most dumbass thing I've heard all day. Source?
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
nytimes.com/1993/06/12/us/supreme-court-animal-sacrifice-court-citing-religious-freedom-voids-ban-animal.html
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That is horrible, how can anyone be so cruel to an animal like that? >:( Makes me proud to be an atheist.

Anyway, to the topic on hand, I strongly believe that women (and men) should have the freedom to dress how they please, be it in a miniskirt or a full burqua.
 
Amachi said:
So despite evidence being provided that the burqa has been used in crime you stay committed to your original view?
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Crimes done by men. I asked for one stating a woman committed the crime.
 
Roxichu said:
That is horrible, how can anyone be so cruel to an animal like that? >:( Makes me proud to be an atheist.

Anyway, to the topic on hand, I strongly believe that women (and men) should have the freedom to dress how they please, be it in a miniskirt or a full burqua.
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Without protections on religious freedom, your right to be an atheist and its associated practices and traditions can also come under attack.

Live_Wire466 said:


Well, it ties in pretty with the Burqa fiasco. First Amendment + Establishment Clause. It's the law of the land.

I think we need to expand the discussion a bit to exactly where and why the Burqa has been banned. Take France for example.
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The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, meaning it always trumps any other law. This kind of ban would not fly in the U.S., point blank.

We have laws that criminalize domestic violence already, so if a husband is abusing his wife, physically or psychologically, he can be prosecuted without banning the Burqa.
 
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FreakyLocz14 said:
We have laws that criminalize domestic violence already, so if a husband is abusing his wife, physically or psychologically, he can be prosecuted without banning the Burqa.
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It's not always easy to prove that a husband is abusing his wife since she may be reluctant to accuse him and then have no one believe her and/or suffer more abuse in retaliation. This is one reason why people want the burqa banned - it removes, by law, one way in which man can abuse women (not that all men do or that every woman who wears a burqa is abused).
 
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