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The Dark Knight Rises

Mr Cat Dog said:
In interviews up until now, he had always been cautious on the possibility of doing a third film at all (didn't he say something like 'name a film trilogy where the third is the best' or something along those lines?). Maybe the plan was always to do two, and WB simply bankrolled Inception to make sure he came back for a third one?
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I don't think that's true. In the early days of development on The Dark Knight, it was envisioned as a two-parter.

The first film would focus on the Joker, the second film would be the Joker's trial and the birth of Two-Face. In the end, they cut out the trial and merged the two films together.

Nolan, based on the interviews I read, "agreed" to do TDK because he wanted to film the Joker and had wanted to work with Ledger for some time. He liked the interpretation that Ledger pitched to him, and, well... there you go.

So, really Nolan only want to do one film? Just Batman Begins? I don't know. I think it's more... "movie magic" speak and fable. I think Nolan knows he can use the franchise for leverage in negotiations - as he has twice.
 
Heath Ledger was an amazing Joker. He captured the deviousness and the maniacal nature of the Joker, had great line reads, subtle nuances, and when he made that pencil disappear I laughed for days. It would be hard for anyone to top that, he did a really great job, but I hope Joker isn't off limits in future Batman movies because of what happened to Ledger.

Arkham isn't exactly the most secured place, villains constantly get out of there. I think I read a comic once where Ivy and Riddler terrorize Batman and the city from inside Arkham. This talk about Arkham is reminding me of Hugo Strange.
 
I can't possibly understand why Nolan would want to return and produce the thing. I remember reading an article with him saying that after he's done with The Dark Knight Rises, that he would leave the Batman scene. It's clear Warner Bros wants him involved simply because of his name. I just can't see what he can bring to the table in terms of rebooting considering he did a reboot not too long ago, the two would just conflict way too much. I just can't see anything good out of this deal.

I can understand Warner Bros wanting to make a reboot so that the audience gets familiarized with the new face of the caped crusader... but I can't help getting the feeling that Hollywood is going to destroy the Batman franchise... again, even with Nolan's involvement.
 
JP said:
I can't possibly understand why Nolan would want to return and produce the thing. I remember reading an article with him saying that after he's done with The Dark Knight Rises, that he would leave the Batman scene. It's clear Warner Bros wants him involved simply because of his name. I just can't see what he can bring to the table in terms of rebooting considering he did a reboot not too long ago, the two would just conflict way too much. I just can't see anything good out of this deal.

I can understand Warner Bros wanting to make a reboot so that the audience gets familiarized with the new face of the caped crusader... but I can't help getting the feeling that Hollywood is going to destroy the Batman franchise... again, even with Nolan's involvement.
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I think it's pretty clear that WB just sees dollar signs in this, judging by bringing on Nolan for some added star power. I really hope it doesn't materialize. There is no need for a reboot, because reboot implies that they're trying to make up for some lackluster movies, and the Nolan Batman films are far from lackluster, they're amazing. :/
 
I've been reading more reports about this, from the LA Times and HitFix, and they present completely differing outlooks on the situation, one positive and one negative.

On the negative side, the LA Times seems convinced that a Justice League film is going to happen, and it's going to have Batman in it after talking to the new WB head honcho. It's this phrase that worries me:
Los Angeles Times said:
Robinov knows that the most bankable part of his superhero empire has been Nolan and his Gotham City films – the studio has yet to deliver a 21st century superhero blockbuster hit without Nolan in the director's seat. Batman will continue to be a centerpiece property beyond next year's "The Dark Knight Rises" and Nolan's departure from the franchise. "We have the third Batman, but then we'll have to reinvent Batman…Chris Nolan and [producing partner and wife] Emma Thomas will be producing it, so it will be a conversation with them about what the next phase is."
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The bolding is my doing, but the second bolded statement is what worries me the most. WB doesn't have to reinvent Batman, unless it wants to seriously piss off its fans in pursuit of the almighty dollar (the same fans who, presumably, would be giving their dollars to WB to fund their pursuit of the almighty dollar... that's a lot of dollars!)

From the HitFix article, there's also the realisation that, without the Writers' Strike of 07 - oh! that feels like yesterday, yet here we are, nearly 4 years later - as well as the Australian government's decision not to implement a 40% tax break, we'd already have had a Justice League movie, with Armie Hammer as Batman. (ZOMG!) So, there's evidence that they've nearly done it before, why wouldn't they do it again?

However, on the positive side, HitFix seems to suggest that WB will have to wait on the success/failure of The Avengers before even greenlighting anything so substantially costly and potentially risky for a comic book franchise. Ergo, if it was to happen, it wouldn't appear until after 2013.

So... there's all this to chew on while we wait for Nolan to TELL US MORE ABOUT TDKR!
 
Back to the third film, I'm holding out hope that Heath/The Joker is still referenced or honored in some way. With the kind of audio and computer graphic rendering skills available, they could feasibly include him in a plot-tie up cameo of sorts, similar to the opening scenes of The Dark Knight, where Batman captured Scarecrow in a rather effortless scuffle, and then the main story of the film went on it's way without him.
 
I maintain that unused audio with a shot from his cell in Arkham from the knees down while sitting, would be a nice touch. Plus a Harley cameo
 
Live_Wire466 said:


I agree. It would be easy to do, plus it doesn't step on any toes concerning Heath, and it makes the plot flow better & and ties up loose ends like the beginning of TDK did.
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I totally agree, this sounds like the perfect little thing to add. Though to be honest, any kind of small cameo would be greatly welcomed in my book. :D
 
I saw a guy on YouTube once who was performing Joker lines from Burton's movie and the Animated Series, but as Ledger's Joker. He did a pretty damn good job.

Maybe they could use him for voice over?

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Bale said he would return if Nolan did.[21] Aaron Eckhart had expressed his enthusiasm to return for a sequel if asked, although he later stated Nolan verified that his character, Harvey Dent, is dead.[22] Nolan confirmed that the ensemble cast from the first two films will be returning.[15] Tom Hardy has been cast as Bane and Anne Hathaway will be playing Selina Kyle.[23] Joseph Gordon-Levitt has been cast in an unknown role,[24][25] and Juno Temple has been cast in a role described as a "street-smart Gotham girl".[26]
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I wonder who Juno Temple is going to play, seeing as Catwoman is taken? Hmmm. But Morgan Freeman is back for the TDKR. The universe is back in balance. Whew.
 
Live_Wire466 said:


Now Holly is another incarnation of Catwoman, correct? Like a successor to the current Catwoman?

(it's been awhile since I followed the comics. XD)
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Friend of Selina's in the Year One era (which Nolan's films are heavily based off of). She was, like Selina, a.. uh.. sexual worker.
 
TRIFORCE89 said:

She was, like Selina, a.. uh.. sexual worker.
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If there's one thing that has been missing from the Batman movies it is sex. And sex sells. So bring on the "R" rating Nolan. Maybe?
 
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