5th Gen The Generation Five Speculation Thread

[Waffle-San]

ok how do they expect us to be able to wait two weeks ... TWO WEEKS!!! AArrrgghhh.

Just guoted for truth :P

The Dark type in Japanese is the Bad type. If not all Dark Pokemon are bad, then not all Light Pokemon have to be good. They just use aether and evil energy to battle.

As for the rest of what you said. You're basically saying that Gen V should be a rehash of Gen IV, because Pokemon isn't at high risk of going under...

They use evil energy to battle? But aren't evil? To me, if a light pokemon (by that definition) started performing "evil" acts than that would be where it'd be drawing it's power from. Thus causing it to change types, becoming a Dark pokemon. The opposite works too, if a pokemon such as Houndoom starts performing good deeds to the community than that would, by defintion, cause him to change types to the Light type.

My biggest buff against this proposed definition of the light type is that all pokemon are going to act either good or evil in some way. If Charizard is Fire/Flying but goes out and steal's food does that make it also a dark type? Of course not, it just means it has dark characteristics.

As for the italisised part I have to ask you a question. Please don't take this the wrong way but, are you a politician? Cause that's twisting my words pretty far. Pokemon has a winning formula and I don't think many people will try to defend that.

 

[Spikey-Eared Pichu]

Yeesh, your gone for a day and three pages get added! Okay, now I give my opinion:

-Since GF has stated that Gen 5 will be a rebirth of Pokemon, don't decline the theories that we may or may not see redesigns of past Pokemon or new typings. Anything is possible and Gen 5 may or may not prove that.

LIGHT-TYPE

Introduction. Light does not mean good. Light and Dark are just the ways the Pokémon finds to use its abilities. While Dark ones steal and cheat (Snatch, Thief, Fake Tears), Light ones prefer to sacrifice for their companions (Softboiled, Double-Edge, Helping Hand)​

Light-type's match-up list. Reason: This is the Type Rivalry List. No, Psychic is not Dark's opposite.​

GRASS vs. FIRE (Fire superiority)
WATER vs. ELECTRIC (Electric superiority)
NORMAL vs. GHOST (Double immunity)
FLYING vs. GROUND (Flying immunity)
BUG vs. POISON (Double weakness – RBY)
PSYCHIC vs. FIGHTING (Psychic superiority)
ROCK vs. ICE (Solid materials)
DARK vs. LIGHT (Obvious reason)
DRAGON vs. STEEL (Elemental and Major defenses, respectively)

By this, Light-type's match-up list is simply the opposite of Dark-type's.

Super-effective against: Fighting, Normal, Dark
Not very effective against: Light, Psychic, Dragon

Weak to: Poison, Psychic, Dark
Resistant to: Normal, Light
Immune to: Fighting

The new match-up chart would be like this:

​

Light-type Pokémon. No Light-type Pokémon can be in a Dark Pokémon card. So Raichu, Wigglytuff and Ampharos are out. But Light can still use Dark moves and vice-versa. There are no 3 Stage Evolution all with Dark type nor Dark babies by now, so no Light babies for guarantee.

are purity and altruism themselves.

makes barriers of light, like Light Screen.

because if we can't make Mewtwo a Dark-type anymore, at least we can say it lost its Light in the clonage.

opposes to Vileplume's Poison (Light's weakness) and

opposes to Poliwrath's Fighting (Light's immunity). These two make Light-type well balanced.

is guided by light, though it'd receive 4x damage from Poison.

oppose to Murkrow and Honchkrow (Dark), Pain Spliting is a kind of sacrifice and for Mismagius, there is Light magic, too.

is illumation even in its name. Volbeat is more focused on Bug abilities, and its light is more electricity than emanated purity.

has Light moves and looks.

opens under high sunlight.

for their illumination abilities. Lumineon is also as powerful as Lanturn and Sharpedo, beind their counterpart and oppose, respectively.

may be not have the light look, but they have never been in a Dark card, and are a symbol of friendship. Plus, Electricity and Fire can produce Light.

Land Forme can have a second type too. And Light fits it well.

Light-type moves : since Bite used to be a Normal move, all the moves listed below are Normal, by now. Though Flash Cannon looks like a Light move to me, new attack moves can be created in the future.

Double-Edge, Sweet Kiss, Flash, Swagger, Present, Pain Split, Safeguard, Morning Sun, Moonlight, Helping Hand, Assist, Tickle, Last Resort, Captivate.

Eos Aduro, were you ripping who to the shreds???

Very nicely explained, Laxbe =) Although a few Pokemon I see that should be added are the Togepi family, and Baby Pokemon.

Togepi/Togetic/Togekiss: Um, self-explanitory.
Baby Pokemon: They're newly born, therefore they are pure and innocent.

 

[Eos Aduro]

LIGHT-TYPE

Introduction. Light does not mean good. Light and Dark are just the ways the Pokémon finds to use its abilities. While Dark ones steal and cheat (Snatch, Thief, Fake Tears), Light ones prefer to sacrifice for their companions (Softboiled, Double-Edge, Helping Hand)

Light-type's match-up list. Reason: This is the Type Rivalry List. No, Psychic is not Dark's opposite.
​

GRASS vs. FIRE (Fire superiority)
WATER vs. ELECTRIC (Electric superiority)
NORMAL vs. GHOST (Double immunity)
FLYING vs. GROUND (Flying immunity)
BUG vs. POISON (Double weakness – RBY)
PSYCHIC vs. FIGHTING (Psychic superiority)
ROCK vs. ICE (Solid materials)
DARK vs. LIGHT (Obvious reason)
DRAGON vs. STEEL (Elemental and Major defenses, respectively)

By this, Light-type's match-up list is simply the opposite of Dark-type's.

Super-effective against: Fighting, Normal, Dark
Not very effective against: Light, Psychic, Dragon

Weak to: Poison, Psychic, Dark
Resistant to: Normal, Light
Immune to: Fighting

The new match-up chart would be like this:

​

Light-type Pokémon. No Light-type Pokémon can be in a Dark Pokémon card. So Raichu, Wigglytuff and Ampharos are out. But Light can still use Dark moves and vice-versa. There are no 3 Stage Evolution all with Dark type nor Dark babies by now, so no Light babies for guarantee.

are purity and altruism themselves.

makes barriers of light, like Light Screen.

because if we can't make Mewtwo a Dark-type anymore, at least we can say it lost its Light in the clonage.

opposes to Vileplume's Poison (Light's weakness) and

opposes to Poliwrath's Fighting (Light's immunity). These two make Light-type well balanced.

is guided by light, though it'd receive 4x damage from Poison.

oppose to Murkrow and Honchkrow (Dark), Pain Spliting is a kind of sacrifice and for Mismagius, there is Light magic, too.

is illumation even in its name. Volbeat is more focused on Bug abilities, and its light is more electricity than emanated purity.

has Light moves and looks.

opens under high sunlight.

for their illumination abilities. Lumineon is also as powerful as Lanturn and Sharpedo, beind their counterpart and oppose, respectively.

may be not have the light look, but they have never been in a Dark card, and are a symbol of friendship. Plus, Electricity and Fire can produce Light.

Land Forme can have a second type too. And Light fits it well.

Light-type moves : since Bite used to be a Normal move, all the moves listed below are Normal, by now. Though Flash Cannon looks like a Light move to me, new attack moves can be created in the future.

Double-Edge, Sweet Kiss, Flash, Swagger, Present, Pain Split, Safeguard, Morning Sun, Moonlight, Helping Hand, Assist, Tickle, Last Resort, Captivate.

Eos Aduro, were you ripping who to the shreds???

Ok, nice fancy chart. But your whole post is about WHAT light type would be expressed as, not why it should or should not be included, which is the bigger issue. You pull up ALL of those Pokemon, with full movesets and typing. So, we just scratch that off, rub the past games down to dust, and work backwards for it to fit? Thats a huge step backwards.

You cant make a personal point against me if your agrument doesnt even pertain to anything I've said. You posted this "explanation" but thats just your opinion on a non-existant type. If you want to actually try to prove to me Light type would benefit the games, I need an argument, not a made-up fact sheet.

Another big point against Light-Type, trading. Pokemon trading is a HUGE part of the games, and introducing a Light-Type would mean that ANY Pokemon with Light-Type moves could not be transferred between DPPt and the newer games. It would be like the VERY irritating cut-off between GSC and RSE, where trade was impossible.

 

[Waffle-San]

LIGHT-TYPE

Introduction. Light does not mean good. Light and Dark are just the ways the Pokémon finds to use its abilities. While Dark ones steal and cheat (Snatch, Thief, Fake Tears), Light ones prefer to sacrifice for their companions (Softboiled, Double-Edge, Helping Hand)

Light-type's match-up list. Reason: This is the Type Rivalry List. No, Psychic is not Dark's opposite.
​

GRASS vs. FIRE (Fire superiority)
WATER vs. ELECTRIC (Electric superiority)
NORMAL vs. GHOST (Double immunity)
FLYING vs. GROUND (Flying immunity)
BUG vs. POISON (Double weakness – RBY)
PSYCHIC vs. FIGHTING (Psychic superiority)
ROCK vs. ICE (Solid materials)
DARK vs. LIGHT (Obvious reason)
DRAGON vs. STEEL (Elemental and Major defenses, respectively)

By this, Light-type's match-up list is simply the opposite of Dark-type's.

Super-effective against: Fighting, Normal, Dark
Not very effective against: Light, Psychic, Dragon

Weak to: Poison, Psychic, Dark
Resistant to: Normal, Light
Immune to: Fighting

The new match-up chart would be like this:

​

Light-type Pokémon. No Light-type Pokémon can be in a Dark Pokémon card. So Raichu, Wigglytuff and Ampharos are out. But Light can still use Dark moves and vice-versa. There are no 3 Stage Evolution all with Dark type nor Dark babies by now, so no Light babies for guarantee.

are purity and altruism themselves.

makes barriers of light, like Light Screen.

because if we can't make Mewtwo a Dark-type anymore, at least we can say it lost its Light in the clonage.

opposes to Vileplume's Poison (Light's weakness) and

opposes to Poliwrath's Fighting (Light's immunity). These two make Light-type well balanced.

is guided by light, though it'd receive 4x damage from Poison.

oppose to Murkrow and Honchkrow (Dark), Pain Spliting is a kind of sacrifice and for Mismagius, there is Light magic, too.

is illumation even in its name. Volbeat is more focused on Bug abilities, and its light is more electricity than emanated purity.

has Light moves and looks.

opens under high sunlight.

for their illumination abilities. Lumineon is also as powerful as Lanturn and Sharpedo, beind their counterpart and oppose, respectively.

may be not have the light look, but they have never been in a Dark card, and are a symbol of friendship. Plus, Electricity and Fire can produce Light.

Land Forme can have a second type too. And Light fits it well.

Light-type moves : since Bite used to be a Normal move, all the moves listed below are Normal, by now. Though Flash Cannon looks like a Light move to me, new attack moves can be created in the future.

Double-Edge, Sweet Kiss, Flash, Swagger, Present, Pain Split, Safeguard, Morning Sun, Moonlight, Helping Hand, Assist, Tickle, Last Resort, Captivate.

Eos Aduro, were you ripping who to the shreds???

Well as I said on your wall. This is easily the most compelling and convincing argument I've ever heard for the light type and I'm a long time skeptic!!

I'm not sure on some of these, Swagger doesn't work for me. Inflating the person's ego to confuse them? Doesn't seem all that pure to me...

Mismagius is very much a ghost type and pretty mischievous on it's own. I don't think everything has to have an opposite. Mismagius (and Misdreavus) are hardly the opposite counterpart for Honchkrok (and Murkrow) Look at Misdreavus' DPPt pokedex entries.

Diamond: It loves to sneak up on people late at night, than startle them with it's shriek like cry.
Pearl: It gets nourishment from fear that it absorbs into it's red orbs. In daytime, it sleeps in darkness.
Platinum: A pokemon that startles pokemon in the middle of the night. It gathers fear as its energy.

Hardly "pure"

As well written as that was it still has a couple holes.

1) It's based on the fact that everything needs an opposite and some of the opposites you mentioned are stretches at the least. Bug and Poison don't oppose eachother any more and are often dual types on the same pokemon something which leads me to my next argument.

2)"No Light-type Pokémon can be in a Dark Pokémon card. So Raichu, Wigglytuff and Ampharos are out. But Light can still use Dark moves and vice-versa. There are no 3 Stage Evolution all with Dark type nor Dark babies by now, so no Light babies for guarantee." It again follows the "need" for an opposite to much. There isn't an opposite for everything, and by learning dark moves it's contradicting the basis of it's type. But mostly, based on the typing a Blissey cannot act out of line. If it does than it is no longer of the light type.

What this has made me realise is that maybe pokemon's pokedex entries should have more meaning. Give pokemon reputations. I don't see light and dark working as typings. But if a pokemon has a light and dark reputation it could accomplish the same thing while being interchangable.

 

[Marilynasol]

Another big point against Light-Type, trading. Pokemon trading is a HUGE part of the games, and introducing a Light-Type would mean that ANY Pokemon with Light-Type moves could not be transferred between DPPt and the newer games. It would be like the VERY irritating cut-off between GSC and RSE, where trade was impossible.

First off, I doubt that you'll be able to trade between Diamond/Pearl/Platinum/HeartGold/SoulSilver considering the new game(s) have been described as an "inventive rebirth". They're probably going to scrap some concepts such as natures and make the games even more complex.

Also, you couldn't really even trade between Generation III and IV. Sure, it would be a nice feature to have "backwards compatibility", but "Pal Park" was only a one-way street.

 

[Spikey-Eared Pichu]

@ Eos: I think I'll take a crack at this:

-If Light was added as a type, for one, it'd satisfy a large chunk of the Pokemon fans who've asked for one since Dark's introduction in Gen II. And a lot of them asked.

-There doesn't have to be a whole load of Pokemon being the Light -type in Gen V. Remember Gen II? Yeah, we got what? FOUR Dark-types, THREE Steel-types, and only about four or maybe, maybe, five moves for each type. And, if you traded a Pokemon knowing Bite back to R/B/Y, the type would revert to Normal, so your complaint about the attack-type changes falls flat.

-Yes, if new moves are made or new Pokemon that are of the Light-type, then they wouldn't be tradeable, but then again, we couldn't transfer Pokemon from our GBA games to D/P/Pt if they knew any HM moves even though they were exsistent in those games. I don't think the inability to trade a Pokemon with an attack that could be removed by the Move Deleter is that big of an issue.

-Adding Light would finally give Dark it's counterpart! Every type so far does have a counterpart to it. (Refer to Laxbe's chart)

I've got more, but please, give your rebuttle.

 

[Myles]

They use evil energy to battle? But aren't evil? To me, if a light pokemon (by that definition) started performing "evil" acts than that would be where it'd be drawing it's power from. Thus causing it to change types, becoming a Dark pokemon. The opposite works too, if a pokemon such as Houndoom starts performing good deeds to the community than that would, by defintion, cause him to change types to the Light type.

My biggest buff against this proposed definition of the light type is that all pokemon are going to act either good or evil in some way. If Charizard is Fire/Flying but goes out and steal's food does that make it also a dark type? Of course not, it just means it has dark characteristics.

You said Dark Pokemon weren't evil in the first place. And they obviously use evil power, because the type is called Bad/Evil in Japan. They just changed it for the English version because... I think you can guess. And what you're saying makes no sense, every Pokemon that can use Bite isn't evil and every Pokemon that can use Fire Blast isn't Fire.

Dark is canonically evil. It's not a matter of opinion.

As for the italisised part I have to ask you a question. Please don't take this the wrong way but, are you a politician? Cause that's twisting my words pretty far. Pokemon has a winning formula and I don't think many people will try to defend that.

No, it isn't:

1. Abilities and natures they worked in really well but that came after pokemon's second generation. A time when all the other mass media objects were dying out (Digimon, Yu Gi Oh, Beyblade etc.) Pokemon had to survive somehow and I think that was a big part of pokemon's evolution.

2. I can't see personally how a light type would help the pokemon franchise, it's as strong as it ever was.

1. You said abilities and natures were added because they needed to be to prevent it dying out.
2. You said Light isn't needed because the Pokemon serieses isn't dying.

That's interpreted as, the formula doesn't need to change because it isn't about to go under, just add more Pokemon, new area and new Gym Leaders. No battle system changes.

 

[rocky505]

Psychic is Dark's counter part. Psychic is strong against fighting but Dark is weak against it. Both psychic and Dark are weak against bugs. Dark is strong against Ghost while Psychic is weak against it.

 

[Kirbychu]

-Adding Light would finally give Dark it's counterpart! Every type so far does have a counterpart to it. (Refer to Laxbe's chart)

Who's to say that chart is correct, and what GF intended to do? I can make the arguement that Fighting is Dark's counterpart. As you probably know, Dark-types rely on trickery and dirty fighting, the Fighting-type is based on martial arts combat. Martial artists are often associated with honor and pride; the exact opposite of the tactics used by Dark-types. If you've watched any action oriented show aimed at children (lolpokemon) you'd know Fighting Dirty<Fighting With Honor.

 

[iLaxbe!]

Wait a second, too much to reply.

Nice stuff about Light types but it'll never happen Psychic already has that job filled.

Exactly! I don't believe Nintendo is going to make any new type either, but wouldn't it be great?

They use evil energy to battle? But aren't evil? To me, if a light pokemon (by that definition) started performing "evil" acts than that would be where it'd be drawing it's power from. Thus causing it to change types, becoming a Dark pokemon. The opposite works too, if a pokemon such as Houndoom starts performing good deeds to the community than that would, by defintion, cause him to change types to the Light type.

My biggest buff against this proposed definition of the light type is that all pokemon are going to act either good or evil in some way. If Charizard is Fire/Flying but goes out and steal's food does that make it also a dark type? Of course not, it just means it has dark characteristics.

My Hippowdon used Fire Fang. Is it a Fire type? :P

Very nicely explained, Laxbe =) Although a few Pokemon I see that should be added are the Togepi family, and Baby Pokemon.

Togepi/Togetic/Togekiss: Um, self-explanitory.
Baby Pokemon: They're newly born, therefore they are pure and innocent.

Uhum, I agree, but that will happen when Normal/Flying merge into Bird. (No three type Pokémon yet) But this is another type I'm about to post. And about the babies... the idea came to my mind at first, but then I realized that it would make Light being the "cutie type", and I believe in the strength of Light. Another point is that no 3 Stages evolution line is fully Dark. (Nuzleaf and Shiftry are, Seedot is pure Grass). Since Light must be Dark's rival, it should stay the same way. (Until Mightyena evolves *crosses fingers*)

Ok, nice fancy chart. But your whole post is about WHAT light type would be expressed as, not why it should or should not be included, which is the bigger issue. You pull up ALL of those Pokemon, with full movesets and typing. So, we just scratch that off, rub the past games down to dust, and work backwards for it to fit? Thats a huge step backwards.

You kept me waiting! ^^ Thanks for the art compliment, I liked it too. Well, my purpose is to do what they did to Magnemite and Magneton. Thay added a new type to two Pokémon that had only one at the time. If you notice, I only picked monotype Pokémon, which can have it added with no problem at all. And I agree it's unlikely to happen. That's why I didn't provide reasons for it to be real. (But I can, if you dare me...)

You cant make a personal point against me if your agrument doesnt even pertain to anything I've said. You posted this "explanation" but thats just your opinion on a non-existant type. If you want to actually try to prove to me Light type would benefit the games, I need an argument, not a made-up fact sheet.

Sheet? Isn't this activity agains the rules? (Stop the minimod inside yourself, iLaxbe!) Yes, this is what we are here for, man. To speculate. Do you see anyone else here proving their theories???? (except for an undeniable plastic bag)

Another big point against Light-Type, trading. Pokemon trading is a HUGE part of the games, and introducing a Light-Type would mean that ANY Pokemon with Light-Type moves could not be transferred between DPPt and the newer games. It would be like the VERY irritating cut-off between GSC and RSE, where trade was impossible.

Can you send Pokémon back to RuSaFRLGEm? Where is the Pal Park, Hoenn, Kanto or Sevii? Well, I don't think you will be able to send Gen V Pokémon back to DiPePtHGSS, too. Sorry, but please don't cry. And do you remember when you used your Wash Rotom, Sky Shaymin and Origin Giratina in the Pearl Version? No?? Its because you can't.

 

[Myles]

Similar type matchups doesn't make it a counterpart. Psychic isn't related to Light or Dark at all. You think Psychic means 'good', 'holy', 'aether', 'physical light', any of the above?

 

[Marilynasol]

No battle system changes.

* Except for the Separation of Physical/Special Attacks (e.g. Blaze Kick now Physical, Hyper Beam now Special)

 

[Eos Aduro]

Every type does NOT have a counter part, the majority of Laxbe's types arent even direct counters. A counter-part also leads to it being EQUAL. Having a type that beats another one isnt opposition, its the game balancing. I'll show you the chart.

GRASS vs. FIRE (Fire beats grass, 100%. So why is it a counterpart? They arent opposites, Grass is destroyed by fire.)
WATER vs. ELECTRIC (Same as above, and they couldnt really be counterparts, water is a substance, electricty is a form of energy. They dont really oppose)
NORMAL vs. GHOST (This one isnt TOO bad, they are fairly even)
FLYING vs. GROUND (Having an immunity against a counter-part doesnt lead me to believe that they oppose.)
BUG vs. POISON (This si the biggest reach yet, even with the past RBY info. Bug and Poison are so similar that saying they're counter-parts is just wrong.)
PSYCHIC vs. FIGHTING (Other decent example, they are opposites, but still with one being dominant.)
ROCK vs. ICE (So, they're solid. So is grass, and steel, and ground, and fighting. This is also a reach, rock and ice dont oppose in the slightest, they have nothing that links them together)
DARK vs. LIGHT (No need to debunk what doesnt exist)
DRAGON vs. STEEL (This is stats and type-wise, not really anything to do with the types themselves. Steel was pretty much made to resist dragon and psychic, but I wouldnt call it a counter-part)

And I didnt say that it would make trade impossible, but it would be easier without it. Especially with the popularity of the GTS, if it spanned across a new generation it would be a mammoth sucess.

And I took too long, need to edit to talk to ILaxbe.

Sheet? Isn't this activity agains the rules? (Stop the minimod inside yourself, iLaxbe!) Yes, this is what we are here for, man. To speculate. Do you see anyone else here proving their theories???? (except for an undeniable platic bag)

What I was saying was that your sheet wasnt talking about HOW light-type would really affect the game. Dont complain that I called it a sheet, explain how you think light-type would affect the trade between gens, current Pokemon, movesets, overall plot, criticism by outside sources, why they would implement it now instead of with dark and steel in second gen, why it would be necessary. Saying that you think it could be immune to fighting isnt a counter-argument against me.

 

[rocky505]

Similar type matchups doesn't make it a counterpart. Psychic isn't related to Light or Dark at all. You think Psychic means 'good', 'holy', 'aether', 'physical light', any of the above?

Well Psychic is the light type as is Normal so no Light type is needed so let's discuss something else.

 

[Spikey-Eared Pichu]

Ya know, if gF employees are reading this topic, they're either busting a gut laughing out how serious this is getting, or, they're being smart, getting their notebooks and making notes =P

Pertaining to the Light-Type, I want this from you, Eos, a full explaination as to why the Light-Type shouldn't be added. Every last thing you can think of, I want to read it. That way, I can build my 'Pro-Light-Type argument' against your 'Anti-Light-Type argument'.

 

[Myles]

Well Psychic is the light type as is Normal so no Light type is needed so let's discuss something else.

You managed to completely ignore the question.

* Except for the Separation of Physical/Special Attacks (e.g. Blaze Kick now Physical, Hyper Beam now Special)

Nope, he managed to count that one out too:

I think the special-physical split was broke. Or the time before it at least. I know me along with many others wondered how crunch and Leaf Blade could be special while moves like shadow ball were physical.

 

[Kirbychu]

Dark is canonically evil. It's not a matter of opinion.

I'd have to disagree. Dark is more like simply fighting dirty.

The Dark Type is characterized by attacks that involve fighting very dirty in order to win, to the point where some of the moves seem to constitute outright cheating. Some options from the Dark Type movepool include: false crying (Fake Tears), slugging the opponent as they ready an attack (Sucker Punch), beating up an already hurt opponent (Assurance), throwing foreign objects (Fling), denying the opponent use of their held item (Embargo), stealing the opponent's item (Thief), hitting an opponent hard as they try to retreat (Pursuit), and calling on the other Pokémon on your team to beat up on the opponent (Beat Up).

I wouldn't call that "evil energy". Although there are a select few exceptions which are Dark Pulse and Dark Void.

 

[Waffle-San]

^
^What? In third gen there was battle system problems. The special-physical split was needed and they fixed that in generation IV. Now I believe everything has been fixed.

You said Dark Pokemon weren't evil in the first place. And they obviously use evil power, because the type is called Bad/Evil in Japan. They just changed it for the English version because... I think you can guess. And what you're saying makes no sense, every Pokemon that can use Bite isn't evil and every Pokemon that can use Fire Blast isn't Fire.

Dark is canonically evil. It's not a matter of opinion.

I don't really have a problem with the idea of light types move, it's light typed pokemon that I don't like. To be honest I'm not a huge fan of the dark type either, it's only real purpose was to quell psychics. Being evil or good isn't a characteristic you're born with, it's a choice that one makes later down the line. The ability to shoot fire out of their mouths is something that all Charizards are born with, yet they decide how they want to use that power. By the definition you've given me what I argues against it is true. If the Dark type follows this in Japan than I will outright say that I believe that gamefreak has already screwed up on this. In my opinion at least.

The Dark type was needed back in generation I but it doesn't prove why a light type is needed now to balance out the games in the way the Steel and dark type did.

No, it isn't:



1. You said abilities and natures were added because they needed to be to prevent it dying out.
2. You said Light isn't needed because the Pokemon serieses isn't dying.

That's interpreted as, the formula doesn't need to change because it isn't about to go under, just add more Pokemon, new area and new Gym Leaders. No battle system changes.

Yes exactly. No battle system changes. Just new pokemon with new stats and new moves. Adding a priority fire attack would change the metagame (in game and out of game) immensly. This doesn't mean generation 5 has to be a rehash. They can change the plot, the topography. Add things like the pokeatholon and much much more. Even add breeding changes. But the battle system as they have it is fine.

 

[rocky505]

People there is no light type and there will never be one this isn't Yu-Gi-Oh where you need every freaking element god.

 

[Marilynasol]

Uhum, I agree, but that will happen when Normal/Flying merge into Bird. (No three type Pokémon yet) But this is another type I'm about to post. And about the babies... the idea came to my mind at first, but then I realized that it would make Light being the "cutie type", and I believe in the strength of Light. Another point is that no 3 Stages evolution line is fully Dark. (Nuzleaf and Shiftry are, Seedot is pure Grass). Since Light must be Dark's rival, it should stay the same way. (Until Mightyena evolves *crosses fingers*)

Perhaps a renaming of the Flying-type is in order. I propose "Air" or "Wind".

If you saw my giant long post a few pages back, I am happy to explain my reasoning.

I really think that a light type would make for a very good weakness against Psychic. Psychic is only strong against two types: Fighting and Poison.

They really need to make Poison strong against Fighting. Poison already takes half-damage against Fighting-type moves. My logic behind a weakness to Poison? I see the Fighting-type as an almost "human" type. We can handle water, grass, ground, even steel and dark, but poison kills us.