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Chibaymega12 said:
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In an all out battle, who would win, Sasuke or Naruto. Why?
After that, who ever was your choice above, put them against Kakashi and Jaraiya.
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Well, in a real fight Sasuke would likely win. The only reason Naruto was such a match for Sasuke in their final battle before he joined Orochimaru was because Naruto knew that Sasuke was joining the dark side and didn't want to lose him and whatever. But if they were fighting just to prove who was stronger, I believe Sasuke would win. After all, the nine-tails only usually aided him if he was in danger or angry, except for that time with he was fighting Neji. Naruto and Sasuke have fought enough in combat for us to know that he'd probably win. >_> Naruto would be a decent match, though, because of his Rasengan, but face it. At that point Naruto's Rasengan would only be able to hit if Sasuke wasn't moving much, like in the battle against Kabuto. Sasuke has a bigger advantage because of his Sharingan, and the fact that he probably knows more Jutsu.
In Shippudden though, I'm not sure.
Okay, Kakashi or Jiraiya, hm...Well, I think in a fair fight both Kakashi and Jiraiya would win, just because they have far more experience than Sasuke. It's unlikely that Sasuke could win against either of them in his younger state, but as far as his older self after joining Orochimaru he'd probably be able to win, just because he probably had lots of Forbidden Jutsu performed on him and steroids and such to make him stronger, you know? But this is just my opinion. XD

Wow. I sure can ramble. XD Anyways, I bought the new English Naruto movie today, just because I wanted to. The one where they're in the land of snow and whatever. >_> But I still like to watch it in Japanese more, so I normally set the movie to Japanese with english subtitles. XD
 
OKay, my turn to ramble
Oh yeah, have u read all the way to the current shippuden manga Shayla?

Okay, In a real battle, i'm not really sure who would win, letme lay this out. The battle would probably begin by Sasuke trying to take him out quickly, and not have it drawn out too long, by using a long chidori. Naruto, of course, would respawn by casting muliple shadow clones, while he prepares a rasenshuriken to take out the chidori before it gets out of hand. When sasuke takes out all of the clones, and more come, he decides not to waste chakra and with draws his sword, amplifying it by chidori current, and goes straight through them, once he's through, he realizes what naruto's goal is: to make a powerful jutsu, so he activates his sharingan to see what kind of jutsu it is while doing a regular chidori just in case, but when he realizes it's a wind style jutsu, it's too late, and it appears that naruto ripped sasuke's body to shreads to the point right before death, and right when naruto tries to pick him up to take him back to Konoha, he realizes it's a genjutsu, when sasuke appears behind him, thrusting a chidori through his back, but sense he's using the sharingan, he knows it's a clone, and he's ready, and when Naruto pops outta the blue sending another rasenshuriken at him, Sasuke spins around and fires an S ranked fire jutsu at him, but he realizes thats a clone too, and Naruto pops outta the ground and punches him right in the noggin, much like neji, but unfortunately, naruto is caought in the inferno of the clashing jutsu's, and right before his death, a shield of the nine tailed foxes chakra makes a shield around him and naruto goes straight to his 5 tailed form. When sasuke sees the power, he tries to take him in his curse seal two, but is not nearly enough, so goes to his curse seal 3, which is just a match for naruto, and somehow naruto has complete control of his state, so both of them go for just one attack to end it all: Naruto his Rasengan, and Sasuke his Chidori, when they clash, sasuke just misses and naruto his him straight on. They both fall to the ground and naruto retains his contienceness, and picks up Sasuke and goes home.
That would be how it would go in a manga, but in a real battle, i'd have to say sasuke hands down.
Now, Sasuke vs Kakashi, i'd think it'd be a pretty even match, until kakashi whips out his mangekyou sharingan on him.
Sasuke vs Jaraiya: Sasuke hands down, but if Kakashi and Jaraiya were to fight, Jaraiya would win, it's just the match, but over all, Jaraiya is the superior ninja, it's just the match.
Naruto vs Kakashi: If naruto can't beat sasuke, he cant beat kakashi, dispite kakashi saying Naruto has surpassed him, but there are some matches that Naruto could win that Kakashi couldn't.
Naruto vs Jaraiya: I think Jaraiya, seeing as Jariaya knows most of his trick, except for his new fuutons, but Jaraiya has a thing for fire jutsus, so he could handle him.
 
Kakashi can't defeat Shippuden Sasuke? I bet he could. Remember, Kakashi has the
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. That's a really powerful jutsu. But, then again Sasuke has a sword and
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well it would be pretty even, but I believe that Kakashi would win.

@Chibaymega12:...that's a long post. o_o
 
yes, i agree, but sasuke has a ton of Jutsus we havn't seen yet, like the one he was about to use to kill Naruto, Sakura, Sai, and whatever the other dude's name is, and of course all of the jutsu he copied in two years at Oro's
 
Chibaymega12 said:
yes, i agree, but sasuke has a ton of Jutsus we havn't seen yet, like the one he was about to use to kill Naruto, Sakura, Sai, and whatever the other dude's name is, and of course all of the jutsu he copied in two years at Oro's
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Hmm... I guess you're right. But do you think Sasuke will defeat Itachi? I don't think he can do it alone.
 
i dunno, sasuke has a greater array of jutsu than itatchi, but itatchi has a greater handle on his sharingan, so i'm not sure, i'm leaning on sasuke
 
I think people sometimes give too much credit to Sasuke. Yeah, he's good and all, but he's not perfect. Itachi is so powerful
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Itachi is extremely fast, and faster than Sasuke, too. Not to mention the dimension-warping powers of the Mangekyo Sharingan. With the power to control space and time(to an extent) Itachi is one of the most powerful people in the series.
 
Chibaymega12 said:
OKay, my turn to ramble
Oh yeah, have u read all the way to the current shippuden manga Shayla?

Okay, In a real battle, i'm not really sure who would win, letme lay this out. The battle would probably begin by Sasuke trying to take him out quickly, and not have it drawn out too long, by using a long chidori. Naruto, of course, would respawn by casting muliple shadow clones, while he prepares a rasenshuriken to take out the chidori before it gets out of hand. When sasuke takes out all of the clones, and more come, he decides not to waste chakra and with draws his sword, amplifying it by chidori current, and goes straight through them, once he's through, he realizes what naruto's goal is: to make a powerful jutsu, so he activates his sharingan to see what kind of jutsu it is while doing a regular chidori just in case, but when he realizes it's a wind style jutsu, it's too late, and it appears that naruto ripped sasuke's body to shreads to the point right before death, and right when naruto tries to pick him up to take him back to Konoha, he realizes it's a genjutsu, when sasuke appears behind him, thrusting a chidori through his back, but sense he's using the sharingan, he knows it's a clone, and he's ready, and when Naruto pops outta the blue sending another rasenshuriken at him, Sasuke spins around and fires an S ranked fire jutsu at him, but he realizes thats a clone too, and Naruto pops outta the ground and punches him right in the noggin, much like neji, but unfortunately, naruto is caought in the inferno of the clashing jutsu's, and right before his death, a shield of the nine tailed foxes chakra makes a shield around him and naruto goes straight to his 5 tailed form. When sasuke sees the power, he tries to take him in his curse seal two, but is not nearly enough, so goes to his curse seal 3, which is just a match for naruto, and somehow naruto has complete control of his state, so both of them go for just one attack to end it all: Naruto his Rasengan, and Sasuke his Chidori, when they clash, sasuke just misses and naruto his him straight on. They both fall to the ground and naruto retains his contienceness, and picks up Sasuke and goes home.
That would be how it would go in a manga, but in a real battle, i'd have to say sasuke hands down.
Now, Sasuke vs Kakashi, i'd think it'd be a pretty even match, until kakashi whips out his mangekyou sharingan on him.
Sasuke vs Jaraiya: Sasuke hands down, but if Kakashi and Jaraiya were to fight, Jaraiya would win, it's just the match, but over all, Jaraiya is the superior ninja, it's just the match.
Naruto vs Kakashi: If naruto can't beat sasuke, he cant beat kakashi, dispite kakashi saying Naruto has surpassed him, but there are some matches that Naruto could win that Kakashi couldn't.
Naruto vs Jaraiya: I think Jaraiya, seeing as Jariaya knows most of his trick, except for his new fuutons, but Jaraiya has a thing for fire jutsus, so he could handle him.
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Yeah, I've read all of it, why?

Good ramble. :3 It surpasses mine. XD

Mewtwo42 said:
Kakashi can't defeat Shippuden Sasuke? I bet he could. Remember, Kakashi has the
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. That's a really powerful jutsu. But, then again Sasuke has a sword and
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well it would be pretty even, but I believe that Kakashi would win.

@Chibaymega12:...that's a long post. o_o
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Yes, but his Mangekyo weakens him a lot. That, and it takes a lot of time and preperation, shown in the manga and the episode. In a full blown fight Sasuke wouldn't give Kakashi enough time to even begin to use it. And I bet now that Sasuke is enhanced by Orochimaru, he's going to know tons of new Jutsu and the fact that he can use the Curse Mark absolutely makes it impossible for Kakashi to stand a chance.

Chibaymega12 said:
i dunno, sasuke has a greater array of jutsu than itatchi, but itatchi has a greater handle on his sharingan, so i'm not sure, i'm leaning on sasuke
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I think Sasuke will win, just because he 'has to' but I don't think he's stronger than Itachi.
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DarkIllusion said:
Yes, but his Mangekyo weakens him a lot. That, and it takes a lot of time and preperation, shown in the manga and the episode. In a full blown fight Sasuke wouldn't give Kakashi enough time to even begin to use it. And I bet now that Sasuke is enhanced by Orochimaru, he's going to know tons of new Jutsu and the fact that he can use the Curse Mark absolutely makes it impossible for Kakashi to stand a chance.
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Well, you sure made a good point. I hadn't thought of that. Now I'm unsure about who would win. I'm now starting to think that Sasuke would win in a fight with Kakashi.
 
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Mewtwo42 said:
I think people sometimes give too much credit to Sasuke. Yeah, he's good and all, but he's not perfect. Itachi is so powerful
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Itachi is extremely fast, and faster than Sasuke, too. Not to mention the dimension-warping powers of the Mangekyo Sharingan. With the power to control space and time(to an extent) Itachi is one of the most powerful people in the series.
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The thing is, itatchi doesn't have that mangekyou sharingan power, he only has two of the 3 mangekyou powers, the black fire, and the intense genjutsu, not the warp taht kakashi has

also, sasuke was as fast as guy(however you spell his name) and guy is just as fast as itatchi, and after the two years with oro, his speed as probably doubled over, making sasuke much faster than itatchi. Sasuke is a superior ninja than itatchi, and sasuke knows every in and out of itatchi's sharingan, and he and oro probably devised a plan to cancel it out, and Sasuke doesn't rely on the sharingan that much other than to slow movements down so he can fight back, plus, sasuke has the power of the curse seal to fall back on if needed
 
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Ok... If it came down to Naruto and Sasuke, Sasuke would win hand's down, but I think if Naruto actually had gone along with Itatchi he would have came out on top.
 
I mean the Episode when Itatchi came to get Naruto and Sasuke got in the way. If Naruto would have gone with them he would be on top.
 
oooooooooooooooh, wel itatchi didn't come to train him, but to hold him prisoner for two years until the fox could be extracted, so i'd have to disagree, plus, even if itatchi did come to train him, then he still wouldn't be as strong, cause he wouldn't have learned the rasengan, or anything after that
 
Oh I see what your talking about,but I still think Naruto is a better ninja than Sasuke. Just think if Sasuke would have never had the Curse Mark.
 
Chibaymega12 said:
The thing is, itatchi doesn't have that mangekyou sharingan power, he only has two of the 3 mangekyou powers, the black fire, and the intense genjutsu, not the warp taht kakashi has

also, sasuke was as fast as guy(however you spell his name) and guy is just as fast as itatchi, and after the two years with oro, his speed as probably doubled over, making sasuke much faster than itatchi. Sasuke is a superior ninja than itatchi, and sasuke knows every in and out of itatchi's sharingan, and he and oro probably devised a plan to cancel it out, and Sasuke doesn't rely on the sharingan that much other than to slow movements down so he can fight back, plus, sasuke has the power of the curse seal to fall back on if needed
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Yeah, I know that. Or, no one knows whether or not Itachi doesn't have Kakshi's. XD

Yeah, I considered that, but you also have to consider that Itachi probably hasn't been standing around doing nothing while Sasuke has been training. Its true that Itachi does use Sharingan a bit too much, but we haven't exactly seen Itachi enough to know that its the only thing he uses all the time. Most of the situations he was in he would use it because he had no choice or wanted to prove a point (or screw with Sasuke's head) XD And Itachi does have other abilities besides Sharingan. He's quite good at most Jutsu he's tried, and his abilities in Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu are very advanced. I know that Sasuke is probably stronger than Itachi, I'm just trying to hang onto some hope so Itachi doesn't die because I love him. XD

In the end, Sasuke is going to win, though. >_> I hate that Itachi is gonna die. *goes to cry somewhere* XD
 
DarkIllusion said:
Yeah, I know that. Or, no one knows whether or not Itachi doesn't have Kakshi's. XD

Yeah, I considered that, but you also have to consider that Itachi probably hasn't been standing around doing nothing while Sasuke has been training. Its true that Itachi does use Sharingan a bit too much, but we haven't exactly seen Itachi enough to know that its the only thing he uses all the time. Most of the situations he was in he would use it because he had no choice or wanted to prove a point (or screw with Sasuke's head) XD And Itachi does have other abilities besides Sharingan. He's quite good at most Jutsu he's tried, and his abilities in Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu are very advanced. I know that Sasuke is probably stronger than Itachi, I'm just trying to hang onto some hope so Itachi doesn't die because I love him. XD

In the end, Sasuke is going to win, though. >_> I hate that Itachi is gonna die. *goes to cry somewhere* XD
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I would need some more feedback on Itatchi's battle style, he is very skilled at most,but if someone can over come his Sharingan he might be in a bit of trouble. Does he have anything to fall back on beside his sharingan ?

EDIT* Unlike Kakashi,Sasuke has the full potential to defeat his older brother,could it be because Itatchi kinda rushed through his training ?
 
Remember that time when they were explaining how to fight the Sharingan when they went to rescue Gaara? Isn't the rule 'If its one on one, run because you don't have a chance' or something? Or is that if you don't have Sharingan? I forget. XD

Now that I think of it I think it only applies if you don't have Sharingan, but I'm going to post this anyways so someone can reassure me. >_>
 
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