4th Gen The New Games - What does this mean to the Metagame?

[Ársa]

I might be wrong putting it here, but I doubt it should go in S&M. Basically, this thread is to discuss what effect the new games will have on the Competitive Metagame. Here's some things we could discuss.

Catchable Celebi In-Game:

This would be great. Finally we can start SR'ing for better Celebi, who let's face it, isn't exactly easy to obtain, let alone obtain a competitive one.

Catchable Ho-oh, Lugia In-Game:

Once again, similar to Celebi. Although you could catch both in Fire Red and Leaf Green, this just gives another chance to those who couldn't obtain the event items, not to mention possible new movesets.

Catchable Dogs In-Game:

Now THIS has got to be something to hope for. In Fire Red and Leaf Green, there was a 'glitch', where each Dog had a minimum of 4 IV's equal to 0. This meant competitive Dogs weren't obtainable in this way. Maybe we can finally see a decent HP Ice Raikou :O


Move Accuracy / Effects:

Will Accuracy of some moves change? Will effects be added for that little twist? With the release of Platinum we saw a decrease in the accuracy of Hypnosis, perhaps the producers believed it was too powerful? What other moves can we expect a similar fate to be placed upon?

New Items:

We've also seen new items introduced with every new game to date. Can we expect more choice items? Berries? Will there be 'Orbs' similar to the Lustrous and Platinum Orbs of Palkia and Giratina?

New Forms of Pokemon:

We saw with the release of Platinum, Rotom gained some new forms to tangle with. Could this be the case again? Would any of these forms actually be competitive? Which pokemon do you believe should gain new forms?

New Pokemon:

Now this is REALLY unlikely. I'm posting this here just because there's a possibility, but don't expect it.

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If I've missed something that should be covered, tell me and I'll add it. As I said, I wasn't sure to post it here or not, considering not many people who post in these sub forums are familiar with the competitive metagame. Either way, it's here :P

~T_S

 

[Mitchman]

I might be wrong putting it here, but I doubt it should go in S&M. Basically, this thread is to discuss what effect the new games will have on the Competitive Metagame. Here's some things we could discuss.

Well okay cool here i go!

Catchable Celebi In-Game:

This would be great. Finally we can start SR'ing for better Celebi, who let's face it, isn't exactly easy to obtain, let alone obtain a competitive one.

That is if they decide to make it available through a wfi mystery gift and not just from the get go from say toys'r'us.

Catchable Ho-oh, Lugia In-Game:

Once again, similar to Celebi. Although you could catch both in Fire Red and Leaf Green, this just gives another chance to those who couldn't obtain the event items, not to mention possible new movesets.

Well duh! Thats a given.

Catchable Dogs In-Game:

Now THIS has got to be something to hope for. In Fire Red and Leaf Green, there was a 'glitch', where each Dog had a minimum of 4 IV's equal to 0. This meant competitive Dogs weren't obtainable in this way. Maybe we can finally see a decent HP Ice Raikou :O

Yeah I cannot wait for this. Surely this would be useful. Hopefully an updated moveset.

New Moves:

We've seen new moves in every release to date, so I think we can expect some more once again. Possibly new signature moves on legends, starters etc?

No we would have compatibility issues.

Move Accuracy / Effects:

Will Accuracy of some moves change? Will effects be added for that little twist? With the release of Platinum we saw a decrease in the accuracy of Hypnosis, perhaps the producers believed it was too powerful? What other moves can we expect a similar fate to be placed upon?

Nah doubt it. But you never know.

New Items:

We've also seen new items introduced with every new game to date. Can we expect more choice items? Berries? Will there be 'Orbs' similar to the Lustrous and Platinum Orbs of Palkia and Giratina?

That could be possible. Maybe items for the birds and beasts?

New Forms of Pokemon:

We saw with the release of Platinum, Rotom gained some new forms to tangle with. Could this be the case again? Would any of these forms actually be competitive? Which pokemon do you believe should gain new forms?

Celebi for one and maybe through the new white rock in Kanto a shaymin or imo even better it means a Jirachi event for a new form?

New Pokemon:

Now this is REALLY unlikely. I'm posting this here just because there's a possibility, but don't expect it.

We wont cause its impossible.

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If I've missed something that should be covered, tell me and I'll add it. As I said, I wasn't sure to post it here or not, considering not many people who post in these sub forums are familiar with the competitive metagame. Either way, it's here :P

~T_S

You covered everything so yeah no need.

 

[_Prince_]

No we would have compatibility issues.

No, what I think he meant was movesets getting altered. (i.e scizor getting bulletpunch in Platinum) Or pokemon learning additional moves through move tutors.

Also...I wonder if there be any new egg moves for some pokemon.

 

[Mitchman]

No, what I think he meant was movesets getting altered. (i.e scizor getting bulletpunch in Platinum)

Also...I wonder if there be any new egg moves for some pokemon.

If I read it correctly he meant a new signature move for the likes of Lugia and Ho-oh. Meaning new movie in general which would not happen. Now thats if I read it correctly.

 

[Penumbra]

If I read it correctly he meant a new signature move for the likes of Lugia and Ho-oh. Meaning new movie in general which would not happen. Now thats if I read it correctly.

Nah, you read it fine. The other guy is backing him up..
Anyway, I'd just like to say two words: COMPATIBILITY ISSUES.

There will be no new items, period. No new TMs, no new orbs, no
new movesets (maybe a pokemon will gain an attack or two..), nothing
big.

HG/SS = 4th Gen Johto Remake, therefore, it must be compatible
with Platinum, let alone Diamond and Pearl. Platinum - Diamond =
No Rotom Formes, No GiratinO, No Skymin. I think Game Freak doesn't
want a rewind of that.. Todoroki is basically summed up what I
was going to point out (except for a few disagreements), but other than
that, practically everything you mentioned is a No. You didn't
even make any connections to the metagame.. All you stated
was that the legendaries will be caught and Raikou will have better stats.
You didn't really say how this affects Online Play.
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[bobandbill]

Most that I'd imagine is that some Pokemon might get access to a few moves they couldn't otherwise get, but no new moves entirely, and nothing too major either, methinks. One example of this would be Extremespeed Dragonite (if it doesn't already get it, that is) - in Crystal, one could get a Dratini from Dragon's Den if they answered all of the questions right the first time to get the badge (you could go for the silly answers and you'd still win the badge, but you'd just get a normal Dratini -_-). If that returned, then it might have some impact on the Metagame...

I doub't we'd see anything in the way of new items (as I think they'd have to be data for it in the D/P/Pt games and all? Although the Grevious Orb in Platinum might say otherwise =/) - if there were new items though, one could be the Beserk Gene (upped attack, but confused you - found outside the cave Mewtwo was in, which got caved in GSC).

Don't see legendaries getting new moves - Lugia and Ho-oh already have their signature moves, and one each is enough. (Many legendaries don't have any). I forsee the Johto Beats having decnet IVs though - beforehand (and atm... until the remake is released) the only ones with good ones came from Colosseum.

New formes I find unlikely - maybe new sprite changes if the NEP Pichu is anything to go by AND has impact in the game, but that's not a new forme. New Pokemon obtainable is even less unlikely - that probably would have required in-game data already, and even if not, they tend to keep new Pokemon until a new gen. Makes for better marketing and sales, to release 100+ new Pokemon every 5 years, rather than a few new Pokemon every game. It's how it has been done so far, for instance.

 

[Forci Stikane]

I might be wrong putting it here, but I doubt it should go in S&M. Basically, this thread is to discuss what effect the new games will have on the Competitive Metagame. Here's some things we could discuss.

Catchable Celebi In-Game:

This would be great. Finally we can start SR'ing for better Celebi, who let's face it, isn't exactly easy to obtain, let alone obtain a competitive one.

Considering that I have been waiting for this ever since Diamond and Pearl were first released, to say that I would be ecstatic to find a way to finally catch Celebi would be an immense understatement. I do admit that a TRU event is a bit more likely for it, however, as with Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus...although that works out even better unless it comes with a set nature.

Catchable Ho-oh, Lugia In-Game:

Once again, similar to Celebi. Although you could catch both in Fire Red and Leaf Green, this just gives another chance to those who couldn't obtain the event items, not to mention possible new movesets.

Well, at least Lugia could be--somewhat--soft-reset for courtesy of XD, but it would naturally be welcome to be able to catch them in a more...useful location once again.

Catchable Dogs In-Game:

Now THIS has got to be something to hope for. In Fire Red and Leaf Green, there was a 'glitch', where each Dog had a minimum of 4 IV's equal to 0. This meant competitive Dogs weren't obtainable in this way. Maybe we can finally see a decent HP Ice Raikou :O

Again, Colosseum at least provided an option for soft-reseting them, but the chance to capture them without worrying about Purification is always welcome. The only problem here is that they would most likely be roaming Pokemon, just like in the originals, which means no Synchronization for beneficial natures.

New Moves:

We've seen new moves in every release to date, so I think we can expect some more once again. Possibly new signature moves on legends, starters etc?

I would honestly love to see this for certain Pokemon. Personally, I have already been toying with the thought of an Iron Defense Blissey, as highly unlikely as it might be.

Of course, I also hope to see Move Tutors to cover the 3rd Generation moves that were not covered in Platinum, I.E. Seismic Toss.

Move Accuracy / Effects:

Will Accuracy of some moves change? Will effects be added for that little twist? With the release of Platinum we saw a decrease in the accuracy of Hypnosis, perhaps the producers believed it was too powerful? What other moves can we expect a similar fate to be placed upon?

I really doubt that more added effects will be added into attacks, especially since Nintendo apparently wants to keep these remakes able to connect with Diamond/Pearl/Platinum. I would not be surprised to see the base accuracy of the elemental "120-power" moves drop from 85 to 75, though, or for Hypnosis to regain its lost accuracy.

New Items:

We've also seen new items introduced with every new game to date. Can we expect more choice items? Berries? Will there be 'Orbs' similar to the Lustrous and Platinum Orbs of Palkia and Giratina?

I sincerely doubt that any more Choice or otherwise battle-usage items will be added, for the same reason mentioned above. If anything, the closest that we might see would be Orb-style items for Lugia and Ho-oh.

I do expect Apricorns to make a triumphant return, however, in one form or another.

New Forms of Pokemon:

We saw with the release of Platinum, Rotom gained some new forms to tangle with. Could this be the case again? Would any of these forms actually be competitive? Which pokemon do you believe should gain new forms?

If Nintendo is actually trying to make "true" remakes, then I cannot really see how new forms would be able to fit in.

...On the other hand, the same could probably be said of the new forms that were revealed in Platinum, so this is up for speculation.

New Pokemon:

Now this is REALLY unlikely. I'm posting this here just because there's a possibility, but don't expect it.

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If I've missed something that should be covered, tell me and I'll add it. As I said, I wasn't sure to post it here or not, considering not many people who post in these sub forums are familiar with the competitive metagame. Either way, it's here :P

~T_S

"Possibility"? Once again, since Nintendo is keeping this compatible with the other games, the chances of any new Pokemon appearing is closer to non-existent.

What about expanding the New Moves section to include Move Tutors? Your post is strangely lacking of any mention of them.

 

[Penumbra]

Sorry, just had to pounce at this..
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Most that I'd imagine is that some Pokemon might get access to a few moves they couldn't otherwise get, Maybe by levelling up and tutors, to elaborate further. but no new moves entirely, and nothing too major either, methinks. One example of this would be Extremespeed Dragonite (if it doesn't already get it, that is It only existed in GSC.) - in Crystal, one could get a Dratini from Dragon's Den if they answered all of the questions right the first time to get the badge (you could go for the silly answers and you'd still win the badge, but you'd just get a normal Dratini -_-). If that returned, then it might have some impact on the Metagame... My mom, it would. Stop throwing around the term Meta Game like it's some football. It's not like all the pokemon will be bumped up a tier because one pokemon gains a new move.. The only thing I could foresee is Dragonite gaining a little niche, but it'll remain in the UU Tier, or if lucky, and more tutors benefit it, It could be bumped up to BL or maybe (a really small chance) even OU. Of course, Salamence will probably get an upgrade to remain the better dragon of the two, and Dragonite will still have that inferiority complex.

I doub't we'd see anything in the way of new items (as I think they'd have to be data for it in the D/P/Pt games and all? Although the Grevious Orb in Platinum might say otherwise =/) It's Griseous orb. Actually, I've never tried trading that orb to D/P. What happens? My guess is that it just disappears..- if there were new items though, one could be the Beserk Gene (upped attack, but confused you - found outside the cave Mewtwo was in, which got caved in GSC) Or they could just let you find the Choice Band in it's place....

Don't see legendaries getting new moves - Lugia and Ho-oh already have their signature moves, and one each is enough. (Many legendaries don't have any). I forsee the Johto Beats having decnet IVs though - beforehand (and atm... until the remake is released) the only ones with good ones came from Colosseum.

New formes I find unlikely - maybe new sprite changes if the NEP Pichu is anything to go by AND has impact in the game, but that's not a new forme. New formes COULD be possible, seeing as they did it with platinm, but they'd have to be banned in Online.. I forgot about that Pichu. Maybe it'll just be the Girl version of Pichu? Or maybe when you breed with a certain item, you get NEP Pichu. It seems to be for aesthetic use only, though. I Doubt NEP Pichu's will get to have extremely amazing moves like Dragon Rush or Aero Blast.. It'll most likely stay as just a sprite edit, and when battling D/P/Pt, it'd show up as a normal pichu. New Pokemon obtainable is even less unlikely - that probably would have required in-game data already, and even if not, they tend to keep new Pokemon until a new gen. Makes for better marketing and sales, to release 100+ new Pokemon every 5 years, rather than a few new Pokemon every game. It's how it has been done so far, for instance.You don't even need to explain this. Just say "No" and move on. It will never happen.

 

[Forci Stikane]

Sorry, just had to pounce at this..
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Sorry, but I just had to pounce on this:

The only thing I could foresee is Dragonite gaining a little niche, but [S-HIGHLIGHT]it'll remain in the UU Tier, or if lucky, and more tutors benefit it, It could be bumped up to BL or maybe (a really small chance) even OU.[/S-HIGHLIGHT] Of course, Salamence will probably get an upgrade to remain the better dragon of the two, and Dragonite will still have that inferiority complex.

Dragonite has been, is, and will most likely remain OU.

 

[_Prince_]

Salamence and dragonite shouldn't be compare against one another. They have their own special sets that takes advantage of their stats and movesets. Btw Dragonite is a good OU pokemon, it'd take UU apart. So UU? lmao

 

[Penumbra]

To the above post:
Salamence and Dragonite will always be compared.
They are both Dragon and Flying, both same resistances,
both same advantages. Either way you look at it, Salamence
will be compared to Dragonite. About that statement of each
Dragon having their own sets.. That's wrong. Dragonite has almost
identical sets to Salamence. Whatever 'Nite can do, 'Mence can do it
10x better with more competitive stats.
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Sorry, but I just had to pounce on this:



Dragonite has been, is, and will most likely remain OU.

I'm sorry, what exactly is your point?
Okay, so Dragonite is in OU.
Does that really change anything?

The fact that comparisons to Salamence are basically
the shadows that follow Dragonite still stands, whether Dragonite
is Uber, OU, BL, UU, or NU, Salamence will still lurk.

Either way if you somehow find some fluke to explain why Dragonite is better
than 'mence, Salamence will still be better, Dragonite will still be inferior,
and the Meta Game will remain unchanged.
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[_Prince_]

To the above post:

Salamence and Dragonite will always be compared.
They are both Dragon and Flying, both same resistances,
both same advantages. Either way you look at it, Salamence
will be compared to Dragonite. About that statement of each
Dragon having their own sets.. That's wrong. Dragonite has almost
identical sets to Salamence. Whatever 'Nite can do, 'Mence can do it
10x better with more competitive stats.​

I'm sorry, what exactly is your point?
Okay, so Dragonite is in OU.
Does that really change anything?​

The fact that comparisons to Salamence are basically
the shadows that follow Dragonite still stands, whether Dragonite
is Uber, OU, BL, UU, or NU, Salamence will still lurk.​

Either way if you somehow find some fluke to explain why Dragonite is better
than 'mence, Salamence will still be better, Dragonite will still be inferior,
and the Meta Game will remain unchanged.​

Uh right!
Stop there!

Dragonite is not an inferior to Salamence. Salamence can pull off some sets better than dragonite and their are some sets that dragonite can pull off better than mence.

If this was the case you are saying, why'd anyone bother using dragonite when salamence can do anything dragonite can?

 

[Artemis]

Catchable Celebi In-Game:

This would be great. Finally we can start SR'ing for better Celebi, who let's face it, isn't exactly easy to obtain, let alone obtain a competitive one.

I for one would love to start SRing for a better Celebi. Thoug, it might simply end up being an event perhaps.

Catchable Ho-oh, Lugia In-Game:

Once again, similar to Celebi. Although you could catch both in Fire Red and Leaf Green, this just gives another chance to those who couldn't obtain the event items, not to mention possible new movesets.

Yes, having these two Pokémon would be great. not to mention being able to SR for betters IVs and possibly a shiny as well.

Catchable Dogs In-Game:

Now THIS has got to be something to hope for. In Fire Red and Leaf Green, there was a 'glitch', where each Dog had a minimum of 4 IV's equal to 0. This meant competitive Dogs weren't obtainable in this way. Maybe we can finally see a decent HP Ice Raikou :O

Now getting better IVs for these three would be indeed nice to have. I'll also be glad to catch all three rather than one depending on your starter back in FRLG.

New Moves:

We've seen new moves in every release to date, so I think we can expect some more once again. Possibly new signature moves on legends, starters etc?

I don't expect to see brand new moves, but just add in the moves from the 3rd and 4th Gen games.

Move Accuracy / Effects:

Will Accuracy of some moves change? Will effects be added for that little twist? With the release of Platinum we saw a decrease in the accuracy of Hypnosis, perhaps the producers believed it was too powerful? What other moves can we expect a similar fate to be placed upon?

I would like to see them bring back the accuracy in Hypnosis actually. At the moment, I really can't think of others they might possible decrease or perhaps increase.

New Items:

We've also seen new items introduced with every new game to date. Can we expect more choice items? Berries? Will there be 'Orbs' similar to the Lustrous and Platinum Orbs of Palkia and Giratina?

New items, no this would be interesting to see. They might possible add in new items that could deal with an extended storyline of the sort.

New Forms of Pokemon:

We saw with the release of Platinum, Rotom gained some new forms to tangle with. Could this be the case again? Would any of these forms actually be competitive? Which pokemon do you believe should gain new forms?

I heard there were rumors to be new forms of some Pokémon, but I do not know how true that is. If any new form Pokémon had to be added, I would like the Notch-Eared Pichu to be catchable.

New Pokemon:

Now this is REALLY unlikely. I'm posting this here just because there's a possibility, but don't expect it.

Hmm, this is very unlikely and I don't really expect it to happen in the remake.

--- Well there's what I think about it all xD *phew*

 

[Penumbra]

Uh right!
Stop there!

Dragonite is not an inferior to Salamence. Salamence can pull off some sets better than dragonite and their are some sets that dragonite can pull off better than mence.

If this was the case you are saying, why'd anyone bother using dragonite when salamence can do anything dragonite can?

Well in terms of strategic online play, Dragonite and Salamence
are meant for taking apart teams and doing sweeps, or at least
creating huge dents in the opponent's game. The only viable reasons
I can see to explain why some people may choose nite over mence
are because:

• They prefer 'nite over mence for aesthetic reasons
• They already have an EVd 'nite ready and set
• They don't like 'mence
• Supporting the team.

Supporting the team is the only competitive reasons I can see,
since it can pull off some nice moves like Heal Bell, T.Wave, Toxic,
Roost, etc, but once again I must say, nite and mence are often used for
tearing apart teams. nite can be a good supporter if used properly,
but it's 4x Ice Weakness often lets it down, and thus leads to other special
walls like a Blissey. Ice is a very common type, so I really see no point of
choosing a supporting nite over an attacking one since there are plenty of better
supports out there, and if you're choosing an attacking one, it's bound to
be compared (and outclassed) by mence. Also, visit Serebii or Smogon
while you're at it. Everywhere you look, you'll see the two being compared.
Serebii even admits that Dragonite is basically inferior to mence.

[ONTOPIC]

The metagame won't change. A few pokemon will gain some
moves via tutor, but I seriously doubt it will be enough to bump up
pokemon a tier higher (rhyme unintended)


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[_Prince_]

Well in terms of strategic online play, Dragonite and Salamence​

are meant for taking apart teams and doing sweeps, or at least
creating huge dents in the opponent's game. The only viable reasons
I can see to explain why some people may choose nite over mence
are because:​

• They prefer 'nite over mence for aesthetic reasons
• They already have an EVd 'nite ready and set
• They don't like 'mence
• Supporting the team.​

Supporting the team is the only competitive reasons I can see,
since it can pull off some nice moves like Heal Bell, T.Wave, Toxic,
Roost, etc, but once again I must say, nite and mence are often used for
tearing apart teams. nite can be a good supporter if used properly,
but it's 4x Ice Weakness often lets it down, and thus leads to other special
walls like a Blissey. Ice is a very common type, so I really see no point of
choosing a supporting nite over an attacking one since there are plenty of better
supports out there, and if you're choosing an attacking one, it's bound to
be compared (and outclassed) by mence. Also, visit Serebii or Smogon
while you're at it. Everywhere you look, you'll see the two being compared.
Serebii even admits that Dragonite is basically inferior to mence.​

[ONTOPIC]​

The metagame won't change. A few pokemon will gain some
moves via tutor, but I seriously doubt it will be enough to bump up
pokemon a tier higher (rhyme unintended)​

Serebii? lol Riiiiiiiiight now I know where you getting this. .

There is no set standard for strategic online play. People will try to pull off tactics that will put them ahead.

Let see, Dragonite is more bulkier on the special side, hence has access to light screen making some counters icebeams seem useless. I recall seeing a set on smogon that works well, bulky nite, DD, lightscreen, roost. Something Salamence can't do.

Yes Salamence is more threatening on the offence and able to do almost nite can do, You can not say Dragonite is outclassd by mence, mence does indead control the CB and DD set, Dragonite does match mence on the mix set and has a shot taking out blissey in one go ' superpower' and also support wise nite is awesome. DDspecial bulky nite is special for nite, making sure it's able to get at least couple DD's for a sweep and mence can not do this.

They are two different pokemon when they come to play these days. People will know mence is better at offence, while nite however could be used bulkier/for support to seperate from mence. So it nite isn't completely outclassd by mence.

I hope we sorted it out. They are both good are doing different things, neither one of them will play each others sets that well coz they'll both outclass each other in that area.

 

[The Newbreed]

I might be wrong putting it here, but I doubt it should go in S&M. Basically, this thread is to discuss what effect the new games will have on the Competitive Metagame. Here's some things we could discuss.

Catchable Celebi In-Game:

This would be great. Finally we can start SR'ing for better Celebi, who let's face it, isn't exactly easy to obtain, let alone obtain a competitive one.

Perhaps a Wi-Fi/local download event only item will back this up, but as for the online aspect...well honestly I do NOT like battling Celebi and seeing it that much more would really tick me off -.-

Catchable Ho-oh, Lugia In-Game:

Once again, similar to Celebi. Although you could catch both in Fire Red and Leaf Green, this just gives another chance to those who couldn't obtain the event items, not to mention possible new movesets.

Same thing here as Celebi, although Ho-Oh and Lugia might be easier to take down considering their rock weaknesses.

Catchable Dogs In-Game:

Now THIS has got to be something to hope for. In Fire Red and Leaf Green, there was a 'glitch', where each Dog had a minimum of 4 IV's equal to 0. This meant competitive Dogs weren't obtainable in this way. Maybe we can finally see a decent HP Ice Raikou :O

I deffinetely agree here. Although a have a Raikou (Calm Mind Raikou) and a Typhlosion from 10th anniversary celebration in Briant Park, so this doesn't affect me much.

New Moves:

We've seen new moves in every release to date, so I think we can expect some more once again. Possibly new signature moves on legends, starters etc?

Its not entirely impossible, but don't expect to see any of these suposed "new moves" learnable by non-Johto pokemon. In fact it there are any new moves they will only be naturally level up moves for certain Johto Pokemon, that when you try to trade is an issue. They did pull off a trade restrictor in the original GS with the time capsule.

Move Accuracy / Effects:

Will Accuracy of some moves change? Will effects be added for that little twist? With the release of Platinum we saw a decrease in the accuracy of Hypnosis, perhaps the producers believed it was too powerful? What other moves can we expect a similar fate to be placed upon?

This is a very obscure detail although I doubt with close to every region (assuming that they include Kanto) on the DS now, they can afford to change specific details, let alone larger ones.

New Items:

We've also seen new items introduced with every new game to date. Can we expect more choice items? Berries? Will there be 'Orbs' similar to the Lustrous and Platinum Orbs of Palkia and Giratina?

I dont see this as impossible. Why not? Certain new hold items or maybe key items quest-wise.

New Forms of Pokemon:

We saw with the release of Platinum, Rotom gained some new forms to tangle with. Could this be the case again? Would any of these forms actually be competitive? Which pokemon do you believe should gain new forms?

If anything I beleive this to be most plausible. If no new forms of Pokemon were realeased what-so-ever; then HG and SS would make a grand total of four (technically five) DS Pokemon RPG games featuring the same 493 obtainable Pokemon.

New Pokemon:

Now this is REALLY unlikely. I'm posting this here just because there's a possibility, but don't expect it.

Same as above statement.
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If I've missed something that should be covered, tell me and I'll add it. As I said, I wasn't sure to post it here or not, considering not many people who post in these sub forums are familiar with the competitive metagame. Either way, it's here :P

~T_S

P.S.: Can we PLEASE argue over Dragonite and Salamence in another topic? Not to be a buzzkill but the unnecassary posts are...unnecessary. :P

 

[Zackraa]

It will change nothing the pokemon and moves are the same unless they change level up learned moves and maybe if they add a move tutor but the weakness and resistances will stay the same. I highly doubt this will effect competitive gaming to any extent maybe you will see a few more Feraligatrs, Meganiums and Typhlosions being used in an attempt to prove they can make these pokemon of any real use which in the end they will never move out of their respective "Tiers" no matter how much I want Torterra and Feraligatr to be of real competitive use they will not be

Also I am tired of the word "metagame" not too long ago someone explained to me the meaning of the word to the average player is that "its the game nintendo made but doesn't want you to play" or in other words making most of these "metagamers" think that they are in some sort of secret club when most of these players are using ARs to max out EVs which I consider to be cheating but that is just my personal opinion on using anything involving an AR besides backing up your save file in case the data is lost though I do not have one I wish I did for the reason of backing up

 

[Ársa]

You didn't
even make any connections to the metagame.. All you stated
was that the legendaries will be caught and Raikou will have better stats.
You didn't really say how this affects Online Play.

I fail to see how with the current information at hand, what I could possibly do any further. You come up with some focus questions with the info we know atm. (Which includes... the starter being behind you? Wow, amazing improvement to the metagame)

 

[Artemis]

Actually having the legendaries catchable can affect the metagame, as we can assume IVs will be higher than usual [of course not passing the max. of 31 xD] Having IVs higher means newer HP moves, stronger and faster or more defensive Pokémon...and so on.

 

[BHwolfgang]

Catchable Celebi In-Game:

This would be great. Finally we can start SR'ing for better Celebi, who let's face it, isn't exactly easy to obtain, let alone obtain a competitive one.

I see Celebi being handed out in an event more than getting an appearance in the remake.

Catchable Ho-oh, Lugia In-Game:

Once again, similar to Celebi. Although you could catch both in Fire Red and Leaf Green, this just gives another chance to those who couldn't obtain the event items, not to mention possible new movesets.

You could also get Lugia in XD: Gale of Darkness and Ho-Oh in Collosseum.

Catchable Dogs In-Game:

Now THIS has got to be something to hope for. In Fire Red and Leaf Green, there was a 'glitch', where each Dog had a minimum of 4 IV's equal to 0. This meant competitive Dogs weren't obtainable in this way. Maybe we can finally see a decent HP Ice Raikou :O

Since the Legendary Dogs would be roaming Johto (Kanto included?), they is a least likely chance that one could Synchronize while still putting up something like Mean Look... could it?

Move Accuracy / Effects:

Will Accuracy of some moves change? Will effects be added for that little twist? With the release of Platinum we saw a decrease in the accuracy of Hypnosis, perhaps the producers believed it was too powerful? What other moves can we expect a similar fate to be placed upon?

They might lower some power moves' accuracy to stop the player from decimating the game in ten hours.

New Items:

We've also seen new items introduced with every new game to date. Can we expect more choice items? Berries? Will there be 'Orbs' similar to the Lustrous and Platinum Orbs of Palkia and Giratina?

Instead of new items, what about reintroduced items?

New Forms of Pokemon:

We saw with the release of Platinum, Rotom gained some new forms to tangle with. Could this be the case again? Would any of these forms actually be competitive? Which pokemon do you believe should gain new forms?

If this is a remake, it wouldn't feel right to see new forms of the same Pokémons from Gen. II.

New Pokemon:

Now this is REALLY unlikely. I'm posting this here just because there's a possibility, but don't expect it.

Indeed. It would be extremely unlikely.