4th Gen The three starters

I'm going with Turtwig . Seriously , who doesn't like turtles? Dotaitos looks awesome (I've always loved dinosaurs...). either that or Piplup if I feel like it (Enperuto is pretty cool looking). I really hate Chimchar. I've always sort of hated monkeys. I mean Aipom is strange and weird looking and Etebossu is just plain creepy with that weird smile and strange eyes. Anyone else think Goukazaru's white outfit seems like a power ranger? But yeah Turtwig or Piplup are both cool but I don't run into ice types too often so grass/ground is alright with me . Anyways I'm probably getting both games so probably going to get both games so Piplup and Turtwig for me.
 
Electivire said:
Pochama, Maybe, Great Types [S-HIGHLIGHT]but all its forms are fatsos[/S-HIGHLIGHT]
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...And another addition to my blacklist...

Seriously, what kind of person are you if you deny a Pokemon line just because you think they're fat!??

PokemonRox said:
i am going to pick piplup or chimchar i generally pick the fire types or water but these ones r so cute the turtle 1 just looks plain weird.... i mean come on a turtle with a twig on its head its so not original!!
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What do you mean "not original"?...The closest thing I can think of is the Bulbasaur line, but that is neither a turtle or a twig.
 
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That said, its stats look pretty solid though i'm trying to make sense of how grass+ground would work... That's 4x weak to flying and 4x weak to ice.. and grass and ground just seems like a rather bizare combo.. At least with Swampert it becomes one of the few pokemon that's resistant to bolt beam. What's grass+ground good for? poison and fire resistance perhaps?

One, Flying being unaffected by Ground does NOT make Flying supereffective against Ground. Two, Fire might be not-so-effective on Ground, but its supereffective to Grass, so it cancels out.

Piplup is cute but Enperuto's pretty ugly too. That said, water+steel is a very intriguing combination... Steel gives it a bunch of resistances, and water helps cover steel's major weakness in fire.. but it still has tbolt weakness.. Its speed is a problem because it won't be able to take advantage of its high sp.att, and it's hp is too low to make it a tank with its high sp.def.

Steel is resistant to Elec, meaning that Thunderbolt will do the same thing to Enperuto as Fire does to Dotaitos.

Chimchar is a decent looking pokemon(i think it looks pretty cool), though not original.. It's pretty obvious that Goukazaru looks more like Son Goku than a pokemon.

Well, that's the first time I heard THAT comparison o.0

That said, It's stats are great, his move pool is HUGE, and most of the moves are quite excellent, allowing it to be a versatile sweeper. Yeah, he's just a slightly different version of blaziken, but its speed is the fastest of all fire starters, and it has excellent att and sp.att. I really like his potential as a sweeper. I would probably pick him.

Edit: Got to say these are 3 of the worst looking starters to date though.. They're either poorly designed, or they lack originality. My gf was really looking forward to this game but now she doesn't feel like playing the game just because she finds the starters ugly.

Yes, you don't like how they look. We got it the first time.

As for my opinion,....well, I'm getting both games, so I'm just going to start off with all 3, so I don't need to choose .
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umm couple things icha... fire IS effective on ground types, just not SUPER effective. you confused ROCK with GROUND. so yes, dotaitos will be weak to fire attacks nonetheless.

also, steel is NOT resistant to electric. electric is x1 vs steel, but steel is half vs electric.

my opinion on the designs: they are explainable, but unnecessary. the whole idea is that the three of them are mythological creatures in reference to different cultures. for instance, doitaitos is an example of the "earth" turtoise who's shell is the earth's surface and from which plants grow. this goes along with native american myths.
 
I think the grass turtle is just plain weird. I really don'tl like grass type pokemon because in all the other games I can never work with them. The penguin one is kind of cute but I don't really like the water starters except Mudkip from R/S/E. I don't really care for monkeys, but I love fire type pokemon (except Torchic from R/S/E) so when I get Diamond and Pearl I'll get the monkey starter (is it's name Chimchar in America?). It wont really matter anyways because I'll get all three starters in the Diamond and Pearl by trading when I get another DS.
 
I'm getting Pochama because i like water pokemon, and he is water, he is also way better than a fire monkey, and a turtle. It just seems cool. But for Emerald i liked Blaziken because he looked cooler than swampert.
 
Samson said:
umm couple things icha... fire IS effective on ground types, just not SUPER effective. you confused ROCK with GROUND. so yes, dotaitos will be weak to fire attacks nonetheless.

also, steel is NOT resistant to electric. electric is x1 vs steel, but steel is half vs electric.
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Beh, I keep thinking that Fire is x0.5 against Ground...well, regardless, my point was that Dotaitos wasn't resistant to Fire, which it isn't.

Then explain my electric attacks on Skarmory only hitting for x1.
 
I'm going with Pochama since I'm a major water pokémon fan, and also because I find the later evolution's water/steel type an interesting combo. It won't really matter when I get Pearl later on though since I'll have them all to play with (too bad I couldn't afford to buy both at once). XD;
 
This is the best set of starters we've ever had. Maybe not looks-wise, but definitely in terms of movepool, type combination and stats. :D

I plan to use all three eventually, but first I'll go with Turtwig. ^_^ I've always wanted a Grass-Ground type, and Dodaitos is perfect.
 
Ichapokemr said:
That said, its stats look pretty solid though i'm trying to make sense of how grass+ground would work... That's 4x weak to flying and 4x weak to ice.. and grass and ground just seems like a rather bizare combo.. At least with Swampert it becomes one of the few pokemon that's resistant to bolt beam. What's grass+ground good for? poison and fire resistance perhaps?

One, Flying being unaffected by Ground does NOT make Flying supereffective against Ground. Two, Fire might be not-so-effective on Ground, but its supereffective to Grass, so it cancels out.
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Maybe I was wrong about flying being supereffective against ground. Honestly i was never too sure if flying as SE against it or not but I always used moves like hidden power flying on dugtrio :/ You'd thnk it's SE but maybe not.

As for the fire thing, yeah, it cancels out. Just like poison is not-so-effective on ground but is supereffective on grass so it cancels out. I meant resistance as in poison and fire are ineffective against ground, so that doitaitos takes normal damage to poison and fire whereas if he was just a grass type, poison and fire would be super effective against it.

Steel is resistant to Elec, meaning that Thunderbolt will do the same thing to Enperuto as Fire does to Dotaitos.
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Electric and water are x1 against steel. This i'm pretty sure. Steel doesn't help its tbolt weakness like ground help dotaitos' fire weakness.

Well, that's the first time I heard THAT comparison o.0
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Are you serious? Have you never heard of the real Son Goku, not the one from Dragonball Z but the fictional ancient chinese ape that Son Goku of Dragonball was based upon? I guess in Chinese pin yin his name would be "Sun Wu Kong" which is Son Goku in japanese. Why do you think Goukazaru's name is so similar to Goku? It's no coincidence.

Here's a little something from wikipedia:
Sun Wukong (Traditional Chinese: 孫悟空; Simplified Chinese: 孙悟空; Hanyu Pinyin: Sūn Wùkōng; Wade-Giles: Sun Wu-k'ung), the Monkey King, is a main character in the epic story, Journey to the West. In this story, he accompanies the monk Sanzang to retrieve Buddhist sutras from India. Sun Wukong is based upon the legend of Hanuman, the Indian monkey hero from the ancient Ramayana epic. Sun Wukong is also the inspiration for numerous anime and manga characters, most notably Son Goku, from the Dragon Ball series.
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Ok. Here is an intresting question. Battle wise. What are the advantages of each of the starter pokemon and their fully evolve forms?

The reason I am asking is because I am having a hard time figuring out which one to pick. I know I am not going to pick Chimchar because it just to me seems like Blaziken but with punches so yeah. More leaning towards the little turtle dude, turtwig.
 
Ichapokemr said:
...And another addition to my blacklist...

Seriously, what kind of person are you if you deny a Pokemon line just because you think they're fat!??


What do you mean "not original"?...The closest thing I can think of is the Bulbasaur line, but that is neither a turtle or a twig.
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I consider it a privilege Ichapokemr :badsmile: :P ... Anyway I think Pochama is really cute and I've always wanted a Penguin starter, but Enperuto looks Like King Henry VIII... xD anyway I have still not decided out of Neatoru and Pochama, I like them Both the Same, even thought they BOTH have big heads :laugh: ...
 
I would so choose Chimchar over any other starter ever (besides torchic cause blaziken is my fav pokemon ever) for 2 reasons!

Reason number one: because it is a FIRE type and FIRE type is the best type (dragon is second)!
Reason number two:CAUSE IT'S A FRIGGIN MONKEY MAN (and they are the single most awesome mammal/animal ever)!!!
 
I love Piplup... or Pochama is my favourite... and I love water pokemon ^^
 
Sun Wukong (Traditional Chinese: 孫悟空; Simplified Chinese: 孙悟空; Hanyu Pinyin: Sūn Wùkōng; Wade-Giles: Sun Wu-k'ung), the Monkey King, is a main character in the epic story, Journey to the West. In this story, he accompanies the monk Sanzang to retrieve Buddhist sutras from India. Sun Wukong is based upon the legend of Hanuman, the Indian monkey hero from the ancient Ramayana epic.
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yup, that's the myth for the monkey starter line. the penguin line is, without saying, the most easiest to understand.

but anywho, i wanted to discuss the designs of the starters: GROTLE rocks. it sucks that something like Grotle evolves into something as grotesque as Torterra. torterra isn't a bad name tho. the whole fire starter line is just plain ugly... and Piplup and Prinplup look good, but Empeleon is quite ugly.
 
I'm leaning towards the Piplup line myself. I love the way they were designed, and the combonation of water and steel also adds to my favorites list. The Turtwig line is also appealing, I may end up using both, but for Diamond I'll probably stick to Piplup.

Chimchar I absolutely hated at first but it's not so bad since I've gotten used to it. I'll probably give it a run to see what its like but Turtwig and Piplup are for me.
 
c_dog said:
Maybe I was wrong about flying being supereffective against ground. Honestly i was never too sure if flying as SE against it or not but I always used moves like hidden power flying on dugtrio :/ You'd thnk it's SE but maybe not.

It isn't.

As for the fire thing, yeah, it cancels out. Just like poison is not-so-effective on ground but is supereffective on grass so it cancels out. I meant resistance as in poison and fire are ineffective against ground, so that doitaitos takes normal damage to poison and fire whereas if he was just a grass type, poison and fire would be super effective against it.

That's not how it sounded...

Are you serious? Have you never heard of the real Son Goku, not the one from Dragonball Z but the fictional ancient chinese ape that Son Goku of Dragonball was based upon? I guess in Chinese pin yin his name would be "Sun Wu Kong" which is Son Goku in japanese. Why do you think Goukazaru's name is so similar to Goku? It's no coincidence.

Here's a little something from wikipedia:
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I didn't say that I've never heard of the story. I'd just never heard that comparison before. ...And, by extension, you were comparing the two.

And don't use Wikipedia to try to back up something when you're talking to me. It's not a reliable source at all.
 
Ichapokemr said:
And don't use Wikipedia to try to back up something when you're talking to me. It's not a reliable source at all.
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which is why sources are cited... if you look at the article for it, you will find the first link will have all the supporting information.

wikipedia is not just reliable, it's awesome. i've donated XD
 
I'd choose Chimchar but then I have a trick... not sure if it would work in that game tho.
 
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