This is the last, I think, RMT

[Hadim Sinan Pasha]

New team. I don't know how well it will be but on Shoddy I've lost only 3 of 8 battles. Payback Umbreon is the only Pokemon that seems to worry this team as far as I know. This team laughs at low ended Ubers and puts up a fight against high end, possible Uber Pokemon. i.e. Garchomp and Wobbuffet. Anyways, this is the team.
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Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant
216HP/16Atk/176Def/100Spd
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Earthquake/Ice Fang
Taunt
Standard Bulky set. Nothing said. Not sure about that third slot. Ice Fang helps get rid of Pokemon like Garchomp and Earthquake just has better power and accuracy so I'm not sure. Stone Edge is another option but I think I'll let Tyranitar do that much.I've also given EQ to Tyranitar so I may not need it on this set.

Tyranitar @ Life Orb
Jolly
6HP/252Atk/252Spd
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Crunch
Stone Edge
So I've swapped Taunt on this guy and Stone Edge on Gyarados around so this guy has Stone Edge and Gyara carries Taunt. I don't know about 2 DD pokemon but they're both dependent on it. Just using Life Orb to see how it goes. Might be good, might be bad. I'll just try it out. Switch back to Lefties if it doesn't work.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm
252Def/40SpAtk/216SpDef
Flamethrower
Softboiled
Toxic
Aromatherapy
Well, I was using the opposite EV's for Defence and Special Defence but after so many times of being flamed for the idea, I've switched the EV's back. Anyways, Flamethrower >> Ice Beam because I don't really have anything to counter Forretress. I know Ice Beam is more popular but I like to break the rules of Cleric Blissey a little.

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish
252HP/98Atk/156Def/4Spd
Drill Peck
Whirlwind
Spikes
Roost
Standard Spiker set basically C/P'ed from Smogon. lol. I think it does pretty well. I'd like a Stealth Rock as well but Roost is vital.

Donphan @ Leftovers
Impish
252HP/6Atk/252Def
Rapid Spin
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Roar/Stone Edge
Not sure about that last slot. Don't feel like using Knock Off or Ice Shard on him as I already have enough Physical moves on my team. Rapid Spin + Stealth Rock solves both of my problems. The 1st, I don't have a Spinner; the 2nd, I don't have a Stealth Rock'er.

Gengar @ Wide Lens
Timid
6HP/252SpAtk/252Spd
Hypnosis
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Another Standard set. Doesn't go too badly in Shoddy. Would have ike to use Deoxys-S, but I don't have a good nature for him and Darkrai's Uber. He's speedy as well, so that's why I picked him over Gardy and Alakazam. Wide Lens just for that Extra accuracy with Hypnosis which has never failed for me on Shoddy.
I hope that he doesn't get KO'ed too fast otherwise I'm going to have problems without a Special Sweeper. I'm thinking of SpecsLuke but I'll just try this guy out first.
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Please help me out and point me in the right direction. I've been testing some these guys out on Shoddy and they never cease to amaze me. Blissey can take down an Aura Sphere Palkia with Toxic/oftboiled combo. If they haven't got Aura Sphere, it owns the so called "UBER" without ever losing more than 20% of it's HP. Crit Draco Meteor only does 39% so yeah, it's cool. Once again,. please, feel free to criticise and tell me what needs to be changed.

 

[Skip Shot]

HP Electric mixape can take care of your team easily. Since you already have skarm, I wouldn't put up donphan. If you want rapid spin,you could go with tentacruel or Bulky Mie as a counter to Mixape. If you insist on keeping donphan, skarmory can be replaced by another special attacker (SpecsStar for example) and then u can put roar on donphan.

 

[Outlawed]

New team. I don't know how well it will be but on Shoddy I've lost only 3 of 8 battles. Payback Umbreon is the only Pokemon that seems to worry this team as far as I know. This team laughs at low ended Ubers and puts up a fight against high end, possible Uber Pokemon. i.e. Garchomp and Wobbuffet. Anyways, this is the team.
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Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant
216HP/16Atk/136Def/140Spd
Dragon Dance
Waterfall
Earthquake/Ice Fang
Taunt
Standard Bulky set. Nothing said. Not sure about that third slot. Ice Fang helps get rid of Pokemon like Garchomp and Earthquake just has better power and accuracy so I'm not sure. Stone Edge is another option but I think I'll let Tyranitar do that much.I've also given EQ to Tyranitar so I may not need it on this set.
This makes it outspeed Gengar after 1 DD.
Tyranitar @ Life Orb
Jolly
6HP/252Atk/252Spd
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Crunch
Stone Edge
So I've swapped Taunt on this guy and Stone Edge on Gyarados around so this guy has Stone Edge and Gyara carries Taunt. I don't know about 2 DD pokemon but they're both dependent on it. Just using Life Orb to see how it goes. Might be good, might be bad. I'll just try it out. Switch back to Lefties if it doesn't work.


Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm
252Def/40SpAtk/216SpDef
Flamethrower
Softboiled
Toxic
Aromatherapy
Well, I was using the opposite EV's for Defence and Special Defence but after so many times of being flamed for the idea, I've switched the EV's back. Anyways, Flamethrower >> Ice Beam because I don't really have anything to counter Forretress. I know Ice Beam is more popular but I like to break the rules of Cleric Blissey a little.

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish
252 HP / 8 Spe / 248 Def
Brave Bird
Whirlwind
Spikes
Roost
Standard Spiker set basically C/P'ed from Smogon. lol. I think it does pretty well. I'd like a Stealth Rock as well but Roost is vital.
Meh, more Defence. Also have 1 more speed point as to outspeed Tyranitar who thinks it can outspeed you with Stone Edge.
Donphan @ Leftovers
Impish
252HP/6Atk/252Def
Rapid Spin
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Ice Shard
Not sure about that last slot. Don't feel like using Knock Off or Ice Shard on him as I already have enough Physical moves on my team. Rapid Spin + Stealth Rock solves both of my problems. The 1st, I don't have a Spinner; the 2nd, I don't have a Stealth Rock'er.
You already have both a Phazing move and Stone Edge coverage from Tar. Ice Shard > both.

Gengar @ Wide Lens
Timid
6HP/252SpAtk/252Spd
Hypnosis
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Another Standard set. Doesn't go too badly in Shoddy. Would have ike to use Deoxys-S, but I don't have a good nature for him and Darkrai's Uber. He's speedy as well, so that's why I picked him over Gardy and Alakazam. Wide Lens just for that Extra accuracy with Hypnosis which has never failed for me on Shoddy.
I hope that he doesn't get KO'ed too fast otherwise I'm going to have problems without a Special Sweeper. I'm thinking of SpecsLuke but I'll just try this guy out first.
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Please help me out and point me in the right direction. I've been testing some these guys out on Shoddy and they never cease to amaze me. Blissey can take down an Aura Sphere Palkia with Toxic/oftboiled combo. If they haven't got Aura Sphere, it owns the so called "UBER" without ever losing more than 20% of it's HP. Crit Draco Meteor only does 39% so yeah, it's cool. Once again,. please, feel free to criticise and tell me what needs to be changed.

Quotes in bold, I'm not liking how Gengar is your only form of special attacking here, once it's gone, Weavile is going to help kill most of your team.. Also your team doesn't Like Specs Luke at all. Dugtrio kills you and so does CurseSwine, watchout, don't let it set up and don't let Dugtrio trap Tar, Blissey or Gyara because it carries moves just to kill Gyara.

 

[Dark Azelf]

I'm not liking how Gengar is your only form of special attacking here, once it's gone, Weavile is going to help kill most of your team

Skarmory + Gyarados


Also your team doesn't Like Specs Luke at all.

Calm Blissey poops on it and so does Gyarados.

Dugtrio kills you and so does CurseSwine,

Skarmory >>Curse swine


watchout, don't let it set up and don't let Dugtrio trap Tar, Blissey or Gyara because it carries moves just to kill Gyara.

How in the blue hell can Duggy trap gyara, its flying and Stone Edge doesnt ohko ? =O.





I also prefer Shed Shell on Skarmory, lets it escape Magnezone, so you dont loose your wall.


You are also Gyarados/ NP Mixape weak and chomp isnt much better to you. (Who OHKO's Gyarados w/Grass Knot if its takes basically ANY residual damage)

Vappy would be nice here >> Gyara or Tar who do the same thing, late game sweep.


As for Blissey, give is s-toss >> Flamethrower IMO. Or you know,it sucks ._. .

 

[Mr.Fury]

the one thing you lack in the team is speed, sure you have gengar and two dragon dancers, but if they do not set up, your toast.

 

[Hadim Sinan Pasha]

But I like Flamethrowing Bliss. I don't care if it sux, I'm sticking to her guns. Ok, so I'll ditch Donphan for something should I? A Spec Sweeper? Like what? Gardy? Alakazam? Other than that, I don't there's too much wrong. Might chuck in an Espy or a Milotic maybe? As for Gyara, Vappy over him. He's a nice Bulky but if D_A says it, then team makers do it. Other than Bliss advice, he's tops. Flamethrowing Bliss will PWN everyone. Mark my words, you will BURN!!! Here's what's happening apart from EV spread changes if they're necessary:
-Donphan, +Alakazam/Espeon/Gardevoir
-Gyarados, +Vaporeon
Should I change EV's on anything that I'm keeping?

 

[Dark Azelf]

But I like Flamethrowing Bliss. I don't care if it sux, I'm sticking to her guns. Ok, so I'll ditch Donphan for something should I? A Spec Sweeper? Like what? Gardy? Alakazam? Other than that, I don't there's too much wrong. Might chuck in an Espy or a Milotic maybe? As for Gyara, Vappy over him. He's a nice Bulky but if D_A says it, then team makers do it. Other than Bliss advice, he's tops. Flamethrowing Bliss will PWN everyone. Mark my words, you will BURN!!!

On its own Flamethrower does suck, NEEDS S-TOSS AS WELL =/.

What im thinking is if you go HP Electric Vappy >> Gyarados, to counter foe ape and Gyarados, then a Rest-Talk Machamp could go >> Donphan, as you wont need a spinner anymore due to none of your team being sr weak.

Then you dont need Aromatherapy on Blissey due to machamp taking your status. So...

Blissey@Leftovers
252 DEF / 176 SP.DEF / 80 SP.Att
Calm Nature
Trait : Natural Cure
- Seismic Toss
- Flamethrower
- Toxic / T-Wave
- Softboiled


^_^.

 

[Hadim Sinan Pasha]

On its own Flamethrower does suck, NEEDS S-TOSS AS WELL =/.

What im thinking is if you go HP Electric Vappy >> Gyarados, to counter foe ape and Gyarados, then a Rest-Talk Machamp could go >> Donphan, as you wont need a spinner anymore due to none of your team being sr weak.

Then you dont need Aromatherapy on Blissey due to machamp taking your status. So...

Blissey@Leftovers
252 DEF / 176 SP.DEF / 80 SP.Att
Calm Nature
Trait : Natural Cure
- Seismic Toss
- Flamethrower
- Toxic / T-Wave
- Softboiled


^_^.

Is there anything, and I mean anything other than Seismic Toss? I know there's a Ghost move but apart from the fact that it's not in a TM (I think), it won't even work on Chansey (unless I got my friend to hack it on but that would be so unfair). Is there perhaps another pokemon. Trouble is, I can't trade it over to Emerald from my LG because my friend has it and I don't even know if my friend's still alive (he lives far away). Anyways, can I maybe use a Snorlax or perhaps a Milotic? I'll use HP-E Vaporeon and Restalk Machamp though.

EDIT:Return of the Dusknoir. This could work as a Blissey replacement.
Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Impish 252HP/252Def/6SpDef
Fire Punch
Thunder Punch
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split
Pain will be Split with FiderPunching WoW'er. Lolwut?

 

[pokemaniacjason]

why use skarmbliss? many do not allow due to the skarmblisscress clause.

 

[Angelic Diablo]

Is there anything, and I mean anything other than Seismic Toss? I know there's a Ghost move but apart from the fact that it's not in a TM (I think), it won't even work on Chansey (unless I got my friend to hack it on but that would be so unfair). Is there perhaps another pokemon. Trouble is, I can't trade it over to Emerald from my LG because my friend has it and I don't even know if my friend's still alive (he lives far away). Anyways, can I maybe use a Snorlax or perhaps a Milotic? I'll use HP-E Vaporeon and Restalk Machamp though.

EDIT:Return of the Dusknoir. This could work as a Blissey replacement.
Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Impish 252HP/252Def/6SpDef
Fire Punch
Thunder Punch
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split
Pain will be Split with FiderPunching WoW'er. Lolwut?

Umm you do realise you don't need Emerald to get a S-Toss Blissey, there is a Seismic Toss move tutor in Leaf Green (Pokemon Museum in Pewter City), most people say Emerald because you can get it multiple times there.

why use skarmbliss? many do not allow due to the skarmblisscress clause.

Anyone who plays with that clause isn't worth battling, if they cant be bothered countering three commonly used pokemon. It's really not that hard

 

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To be honest, a mixed Scarftar could pose some problems. It usually runs Crunch/Stone Edge/Fire Blast/Ice Beam, meaning that only your Tyranitar and Blissey aren't hit for super effective, and he is neutral to Choice Scarf, so watch out.

That being said, it's a pretty solid, except for a slight Mismagius weakness. If it is behind a Sub with 2+ CM's, it will thrash Gengar with ease. Let's not forget that Blissey cannot hurt it, even with Flamethrower. Gyarados does not want to take a STAB Shadow Ball with 2 CM's, neither does anyone on your team excluding Blissey who resists it.

That being said, Spiritomb makes an efficient counter to the two threats listed above (moreso Mismagius) Plus, it also helps with counter Azelf and annoying things of that sort:

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Careful
252 HP/96 Def/136 SpD
HP Fighting
Sucker Punch/Pursuit/Shadow Ball
Pain Split
Will O Wisp

 

[Dark Azelf]

why use skarmbliss? many do not allow due to the skarmblisscress clause.

=/.

No, those who dont allow SkarmBlissCress are how do you say, "Noobs".

This is not a valid clause, so dont bring that up.

 

[Hadim Sinan Pasha]

Angelic Diablo:I'm aware that you can get Seismic Toss Blissey in LG/FR but I don't have a LG/FR game. If I had one, then maybe I could get it but meh, I'll probs try and buy 1 later on. Right now, I can replace it with many other walls. i.e. Cresselia (but meh), Regice (with 200SpDef, he still isn't that good in the 4th Gen), Milotic (not too common but I'm not sure), and Dusknoir (has a few resists and some weaknesses. Makes for an awesome Tank).

King Tyranitar: Is it really worth soft resetting for a Careful nature(CBB breeding)? I mean, fair enough, but should I really replace Blissey/Dusknoir just to counter Mismagius? I mean, she doesn't really pop up in many teams though, does she?

pokemaniacjason: D_A and KT pretty much summed it up. If you use the SkarmBlissCress clause then you're a "NUB/Noob/Choob/Froob/etc." It's not that hard to coungter the 3 of them really. Toxic Blissey could take them all on. Assuming it had a move by the name of "Flamethrower". Yeah, and Cresselia isn't a good counter for Blissey. Yeah, Flamethrowing, Ice Beaming, Softboiling, Toxicing Blissey could cause some problems.

What about Dusknoir? Should I add him. I can't get an S-Toss Chansey so I might as well get rid of Chansey/Blissey and replace it with something I can get.

 

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Angelic Diablo:I'm aware that you can get Seismic Toss Blissey in LG/FR but I don't have a LG/FR game. If I had one, then maybe I could get it but meh, I'll probs try and buy 1 later on. Right now, I can replace it with many other walls. i.e. Cresselia (but meh), Regice (with 200SpDef, he still isn't that good in the 4th Gen), Milotic (not too common but I'm not sure), and Dusknoir (has a few resists and some weaknesses. Makes for an awesome Tank).

King Tyranitar: Is it really worth soft resetting for a Careful nature(CBB breeding)? I mean, fair enough, but should I really replace Blissey/Dusknoir just to counter Mismagius? I mean, she doesn't really pop up in many teams though, does she?

pokemaniacjason: D_A and KT pretty much summed it up. If you use the SkarmBlissCress clause then you're a "NUB/Noob/Choob/Froob/etc." It's not that hard to coungter the 3 of them really. Toxic Blissey could take them all on.

If you want to lose, go ahead. Mismagius is slowly starting to come back, and if you do end up facing one, you'll be in a lot of pain. Tomb also offers a wonderful Deoxys-e counter.

 

[Hadim Sinan Pasha]

What about Dusknoir. What do you guys think about him as a possible replacement for Blissey? Any suggestions here? I would use Regice but too many weaknesses, Cresselia is a little hard for me to get at the perfect nature. Might try on my friend's M3 Diamond tonight but meh... what do you guys think of Dusknoir?

 

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What about Dusknoir. What do you guys think about him as a possible replacement for Blissey? Any suggestions here? I would use Regice but too many weaknesses, Cresselia is a little hard for me to get at the perfect nature. Might try on my friend's M3 Diamond tonight but meh... what do you guys think of Dusknoir?

Dusknoir has a few things that can be useful, but it is generally inferior to Spiritomb =/ And no, keep Blissey. Dusknoir cannot sponge special hits as well as Bliss.

 

[airconditioning]

Angelic Diablo:I'm aware that you can get Seismic Toss Blissey in LG/FR but I don't have a LG/FR game.

You just said you had Leafgreen. :|

King Tyranitar: Is it really worth soft resetting for a Careful nature(CBB breeding)?

Spiritomb can breed, yo. He even has a gender.

What about Dusknoir? Should I add him. I can't get an S-Toss Chansey so I might as well get rid of Chansey/Blissey and replace it with something I can get.

Dusknoir over Blissey? They're completely different. Like, in almost every way.

Anyway, if you're not averse to using someone else's Pokemon, I could trade you one of my Calm S-Toss Blisseys from my Emerald that I just finished breeding.

Also lol SkarmBlissCress clause. This isn't Gaia Online.