3rd Gen TMs you used and haven't regretted on?

JezzaRules

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    Well for me, it'd be teaching my Swablu Ice Beam and my Charizard Dragon Claw ^^.
    When my Swablu evolved into an Altaria, Ice Beam definately helped me dozens of times. As for my Charizards Dragon Claw, I didn't need to resolve using my other dragon/ice pokemon against Drake (the dragon trainer in the Elite Four).
     
    These are basically what I use TMs on:

    Focus Punch - Gengar
    Dragon Claw - Lati@s
    Calm Mind - Mew/Celebi
    Roar - Suicune
    Toxic - Crobat
    Taunt - Gyarados
    Ice Beam - Swampert
    Light Screen - Zapdos
    Rain Dance - Kingdra/Ludicolo
    Thunderbolt - Gardevoir
    Thunder - Kyogre
    Earthquake - Salamence/Flygon
    Return - Snorlax
    Psychic - Electabuzz
    Shadow Ball - Metagross
    Brick Break - Salamence
    Sludge Bomb - Crobat
    Fire Blast - Salamence
    Aerial Ace - Salamence/Swellow
    Rest - Suicune/Snorlax

    The other I don't typically bother with.
     
    TMs can transform an average Pokemon into a good Pokemon. Look at Crobat for example. Here is the best moveset it can have by only using moves it can learn:

    Crobat @ Leftovers
    Trait: Inner Focus
    EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Bite
    - Confuse Ray
    - Poison Fang
    - Wing Attack

    Decent moveset, but it doesn't have much staying power.

    Now let's use a few TMs:

    Crobat @ Choice Band
    Trait: Inner Focus
    EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Aerial Ace
    - Return / Steel Wing
    - Shadow Ball
    - Sludge Bomb

    With the 50% Atk increase from Choice Band, and its Spd that matches Jolteon and Aerodactyl, this moveset can cause some serious damage. Aerial Ace and Sludge Bomb are two solid STAB attacks, Shadow Ball takes down Alakazam on the switch, and Return or Steel Wing is pure preference. Great fast physical attacker.
     
    This is the Advance Generation area, dude. It'll be a Physical attack.
     
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    This is the Advance Generation area, dude. It'll be a Special attack.
    I know.
    Man, I suck, see when I play pokemon games, I just go with my gut, without thinking about the stats, and what not. And all of you guys that I see on here are all professonal with the games. I'm not new, just weird.
    I'm not new, just weird.
    I know.

    Just kidding.
    It's simple. Here are some pointers.
    -Physical attacks (like Aerial Ace and Mach Punch) utilize the Attack stat. This means, the higher your attack, the more damage done.
    -Special attacks (like Sludge Bomb and Psychic) utilize the Special Attack stat. These do more damage depending on your Special Attack, like I said with Physical attacks.
    -STAB means Special Type Attack Bonus. Don't bother remembering it if you don't want to. All it means is that if your Pokemon's type is the same as the move it uses, it gets a slight boost.
    -Be diverse with your moveset! Take this Swampert for example:
    Muddy Water
    Surf
    Water Gun
    Water Pulse

    Now compare it to this Swampert:
    Surf
    Ice Beam
    Earthquake
    Hammer Arm

    Sure, the first set lets you take out an army of fire pokemon. But the second set covers you against:
    Fire
    Ground
    Rock
    Grass(swampert's weakness)
    Dark
    Dragon
    Flying
    Steel
    Normal
    Electric
    Poison

    So that's 11 of the 16 types. Not bad for one Pokemon, eh?

    -Secondly, learn to utilize Stat Boosts. Boosting your defenses will give your pokemon more time left in the field. Boosting your Offenses gives your opponent less time. And remember that stat boosts remain until you switch.
    Also, look into Baton Passing. Have a Pokemon use a stat boost move, then use baton pass to pass the boosts to another pokemon. You can pass attack and defense boosts, subsitutes and (I think, don't quote me on this) future sight attacks.


    Wow, one hell of a response.
     
    Wait, this is the Advance Generation, not the DPPt Section! Sludge Bomb's still a Physical move!

    Sorry about my typo. xD
     
    Sludge Bomb is a special attack dude... It won't do an amazing amount of damage.
    This is the main reason I hate DDP. All it has done is create confusion. Sludge Bomb may be a special attack in that watered-down metagame, but here in ADVANCED GEN (RSE/FRLG) it is a physical attack. Before, you knew that a Poison-type attack was physical. Now you have to determine whether or not it is a contact move or not. One of the stupidest ideas GF ever came out with.

    BTW - I wouldn't classify a 50% increase for a STAB move as a "little boost". That basically means when Blaziken uses Earthquake (which it shouldn't) it has a 100 Attack Power. When Swampert uses it though, it is 150 Attack Power. Pretty big difference.

    Fire Blast on charmander. Its trump card when flamethrower's not enough.
    Same goes for brick break which once 1-hit ko blissey.
    Fire Blast is a bad idea on Charmander. 85% accuracy is not a good thing when you are banking on a trump card. The last thing you want it to do is miss when you need it the most.
     
    Fire Blast on charmander. Its trump card when flamethrower's not enough.
    Same goes for brick break which once 1-hit ko blissey.

    Why waste Fire Blast on a Charmander when you have Blast Burn? Blast Burn is more of a trump card than Fire Blast.
    It varies from version to version, it would be useful in Generation 1 and 2 though but not really in generation 3.
     
    Blast Burn is even worse than Fire Blast. Not being to attack for a turn is never a good idea.
     
    These are basically what I use TMs on:

    Focus Punch - Gengar
    Gengar using focus punch with its base 65 attack stat.. It's horrible... I'd rather go with the special attack type Gengar.. Unless you make an Adamant Gengar...
    Sludge Bomb is a special attack dude... It won't do an amazing amount of damage.
    It's physical, this is the AGG not DPP...
    Blast Burn is even worse than Fire Blast. Not being to attack for a turn is never a good idea.
    Blast Burn is far better than Fire BLast..(Trump. Hehe..) 150 base attack power. Your target will be KO'd even before you recharged...
     
    Not just Adamant Gengar, but Choice Band Adamant Gengar. Too many people see Gengar and think "OMG Special Sweeper! Gotta get my special sponge out." Focus Punch on the switch ftw.
     
    No. Choice Band Gengar.

    Gengar @ Choice Band
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
    - Explosion/Shadow Ball
    - Focus Punch
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Thunderbolt/Fire Punch

    This set gets its Atk in the high 300s. Bring it in to take out special wall and it can be used to take down Skarmory too. Generally, a big surprise to your opponent.

    I will also use the McGar set (Atk/SAtk version you alluded to) on occasion, just to mix things up:

    - Focus Punch
    - Giga Drain/Ice Punch
    - Substitute
    - Thunderbolt

    Sweeps teams once Sub is up.
     
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