Tug o' War Pokémon edition - Round 7 - Stantler (+1) VS ... Mechastantler (-1) ?

[Fact Checking Gardevoir]

99

I pick Arcanine because it's heavier (155 kg)! Charizard would feel the Bodyslam move!

If arcaninie can go whoosh then charizard can soar In the sky.

100

Btw Gardevoir if arcaninie wins by hitting zero then by which number does Charizard wins?

I'd rather say this, by 15th April, around the same hour I started this thread :
- Points below 100, the good dog wins ;
- Points at 100, draw ;
- Points over 100, the dragon rules!

Who will win by then ? Stay tuned to find out!

 

[ReKoil]

98.

Spoiler:

 

[FeraligatrMaster]

99.

Arcanine would take more damage from Low Kick and Grass Knot.

 

[Alex_Among_Foxes]

100

Replace that with the Original Arcanine, and the match falls to 2HKO idea for Charizard. Whereas one Rock Slide is all that's needed from Arcanine.

Do consider that Rock Slide's accuracy is only 90, and Earthquake's is a perfect 100. So even if Arc as stronger, it could still lose due to luck.

 

[VisionofMilotic]

Now my time has come to vote for Arcanine.....





I also took the closer look in yours case and found that the Arcanine which you chose is Hisui variant, whereas I had considered the original Arcanine !!

😄


Replace that with the Original Arcanine, and the match falls to 2HKO idea for Charizard. Whereas one Rock Slide is all that's needed from Arcanine.


And there I chose Adamant Nature to Maximize the damage from Charizard, with considering that Arcanine will go last. Added Soft Sand/Choice Band. Not guaranteed victory still.....

100

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If it's the original Arcanine from Kanto then Charizard can still ohko it, but it does need a choice band, and usually heavy duty boots are what Charizard is going to have, so assuming there's no dynamic like that, or a dragon dance boost then Arcanine can survive one earthquake, but I don't think this form of Arcanine can use rock slide, at least Serebii, Pokemon Database and Smogon are only listing this in the learnset of the Hisuian one, not the pure fire one. It can use wild charge against Charizard, but that is still a 2hko.

 

[ReKoil]

100.

I was looking through Kanto Arcanine's moveset earlier as well and couldn't find a Rock attack.
There's always Tera Blast with a Rock Tera though I guess, but involving Teras is gonna make things more complicated on both ends.


Anyway... Arcazard... =3

Spoiler:

 

[Delta Crowned Sword]

It can use wild charge against Charizard, but that is still a 2hko.

Hello there !!
Nice to meet after you after long time !!
👋
I was surprised that Rock Slide is not available, but still we had got Wild Charge. So let me go by it :

Spoiler: Case 1 : Charizard with Choice Band + Jolly

There's 43% chance to KO with Earthquake, but can change to 100% KO with Attack boosting Nature, but then Charizard will be slower than Arcanine, and with Choice Scarf, Wild Charge will be guaranteed OHKO.

And do note that Wild Charge is guaranteed OHKO here.

Spoiler: Case 2: Slowing Arcanine....

By having 196 EVs for speed, and remaining 60 in defense, Jolly Nature Arcanine makes sure that he can survive Earthquake from Charizard with 95% probability. One can may think for changing to Adamant Nature and equip Choice Scarf, but then 196 EVs are enough to outspeed that version of Charizard.

Spoiler: Case 3: Impish Arcanine

This Arcanine will be slower than any variant of Charizard, so Adamant + Choice Band is the best bet for later. But then Charizard fails to beat him straight away. Then one can say that, since Charizard is faster, why not invest 252 EVs in Defense instead and make Charizard bulky :





In this case, since I know that Arcanine will be outspeeded, hence I accepted that and invested in Wild Charge instead. Electric Gem boosts the Wild Charge on first hit, then survive an Earthquake and then go for Extreme Speed to revenge Kill. Also tried giving Ground Gem to Charizard, but damage growth is not much, and Choice Band Arcanine will get guaranteed 2HKO, and Choice Scarf doesn't helps to Charizard, as damage will be guaranteed less than 50% with Earthquake, so revenge kill will be easy.

And since this is 2HKO scenario and Arcanine is slower, I will prefer to equip Weakness Policy as one Earthquake will make Arcanine's attack sharply raised, and that can get better winning chance for Legendary Pokémon ! all images removed to save the space.

99

😁😁😁😁😁

 

[Megan]

98

In Gen 3, this line got Metal Claw.

The strangest thing to me is still that they took it away in later gens. Like, there was no harm in keeping it in their moveset. It adds a certain amount of uniqueness.

 

[Alex_Among_Foxes]

99

How about this for a fusion? :p

 

[Fact Checking Gardevoir]

100

Well, I just Gigantamax my Charizard and Arcanine better goes to play ball! ^^
Edit : I personally prefer this fusion!

Spoiler:

 

[ReKoil]

99.

Arcanine can Dynamax too you know =P
Gigantamax is just a cosmetic change... aside from getting one specific Max move.

Anyway Arcanine can have Intimidatie, which puts Charizard at a disadvantage if it isn't holding a Clear Amulet.
Arcanine could also hold Air Balloon if need be to render zard's Earthquake useless on the first attack, then just Extreme speed on turn 2.

 

[FeraligatrMaster]

100.

Charizard could use Air Slash, pop Arcanine's Air Balloon, and maybe flinch it too.

 

[Delta Crowned Sword]

99

Arcanine can use Psychic Fangs and can destroy any screen setup by Charizard's allies.

 

[Fact Checking Gardevoir]

100

Charizard has 2 Mega-Evolutions! Arcanine has none, thus, back to the kennel, big dog! ^^

 

[Alex_Among_Foxes]

101

Can we talk a moment about early Gen Arcanine? Because I certainly remember having to grind a damn Growlithe all the way up to level 40 freakin' 9 JUST for it to learn Flamethrower! And while that was made slightly better passed Gen 3, it still really sucked having most of a Pokemon's moves completely locked out if you decided you wanted to use a stone on them early. Then, we get the modern way this works as a total overcorrection to this issue by giving Arcanine LITERALLY EVERY MOVE in its movepool at level 1 when evolved, making Growlithe pretty much obsolete lol.

 

[~Cinderace~]

K u may say arcanines r amazing and those stuff ...but is it recognizable? No? Well but everyone knows charizard so it's popular so it's the real amazing!


So 102

 

[Fact Checking Gardevoir]

101

Still, one for Arcanine because it, at least, does not breath fire on its own trainer nor does it take a nap in the middle of a League match!

 

[FeraligatrMaster]

102.

You need a Fire Stone to obtain a Growlithe. Meanwhile, the Charmander line evolves by level.

 

[Delta Crowned Sword]

101

For having bulk, capability as mixed phase, decent speed & highest BST among all Pokemon which are not Legendary, Pseudo-Legendary, and doesn't have Truant ability like Slaking with 670BST.

 

[Fact Checking Gardevoir]

100

*Doesn't even know what BST are* ^
But still one point for Big Paws!