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5th Gen Unova V3

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    So timeline wise if they continue how they're going we should expect to see a Unova based remake by 2020. That's not that long away when you think about the fact that they were released almost six years ago.

    So ideally what would your perfect remake contain? I laid out some points you can base your perfect remake around!

    Versions
    Would you have two games (Dark Black) and (Light White), one based on events of BW and the other on events of B2W2? Marketing wise this would be huge and nobody would buy just one, I'd think. The other option is Pokémon Gray. The name still exists - you could explore the region through BW, then once you're done with the plot two years passes by (in a cool montage) and you explore Unova again through the eyes of Nate and Rosa (and your original Pokenon are put aside and eventually given to you once the story is over).

    The other alternative is a brand new journey with elements from the original games. If that's the case where would you begin in the region? A new area, maybe Castelia even? How would that story play out? Is there a story you think would be perfect for Unova?

    Features
    What features would your perfect remake have? What would you remove from the originals and add in from newer games? How will this enhance your game play experience?

    Pokémon
    What Pokémon would you have in the remake? Only Unova Pokémon? Only B2W2's Unova Pokemon or the entire dex?

    Region
    What will the Unova region look like? Will parts be shut down or reopened like in B2W2? Will there finally be a way to go through the tunnel in Driftveil? What other places will be expanded - how much more modernised would Unova be?

    Discuss!
     
    Maybe a prequel to Black and White! I always prefer one game, but I don't think that they are going in that direction anymore. Maybe we can see the original dragon (PLEASE--I really want to know what it looked like!) and how it ended up splitting. I think it might be a little different from the traditional Pokemon games because I'm not sure how long ago this happened and how we would still have gyms and such, but I think it would be really interesting.
     
    Out of every generation I feel like Unova deserves a prequel most of all. Like because of the extensive back story you really want to know what happened before it all. N's story is definitely worth exploring. One thing they can do is base it in the original dragon time AND THEN show 'predictions' of the future at the end of the game. That'd be really cool I think.

    Or alternatively start the game meeting N, as a kid, before he became one with the forest...

    .... then realise that's a dream and you're just going about life in the original dragon time. Unless two prequels -

    WAIT what if you're playing as N. In a prequel or current I dunno but from his perspective that would just blow Unova out of the water.
     
    I just want to say first off I don't think we'll get, or need, prequels, or a game where we play as an established character. Pokémon is a game about playing your own adventure, and it's kinda hard to imagine it's your own adventure when you're literally another character. Aspects such as the Original Dragon can be incorporated into post-game elements of a remake/sequel, which I'll get to in a bit.

    Now onto remake/sequel possibilities. If they're going to remake BW and B2W2 but as one game each, I don't think they'll name them "[Something] Black" and "[Something] White" because that's just confusing. If anything they'd be named something like, just some random idea, "Pokémon Yin & Yang" and "Pokémon Yin & Yang 2" and then you can pick version differences within the game itself. It's just way too confusing to name one Black and the other White when one of them is actually B2W2. Either way, I think this is definitely feasible but I don't know if Game Freak would be willing to go through with it. By the way, all arguments made from here-on-out are going on the assumption/hope that by the time gen 5 remakes are due for an appearance, the hardware available allows for, essentially, two games on the same singular cartridge. Anyways, if Game Freak made one game to represent both BW and another to represent B2W2, but you picked your "version" within the game itself, it may deter people from buying "both versions." Not that it would stop people from getting the BW game and the B2W2 game but rather, some people buy both versions because they are in a very technical sense different games. But in this case "Pokémon Yin & Yang" has both Black and White in it, so if you "wanted both" you'd have to buy the actual same game twice. That does run the risk of a drop in sales. On the flipside, they could just remake each game separately. "Pokémon Super Black," "Super White," "Super Black 2," and "Super White 2" for generic naming purposes. But that ultimately results in four separate games worth of gen 5 remakes. While I wouldn't complain in the slightest and do think it's reasonable to expect, I'm still not sure if Game Freak would actually do it. This is just my pessimistic side speaking. Although, if this did happen, I can imagine the multitude of bundle opportunities: B+W steelbook combo, B2+W2 steelbook combo, B+B2 steelbook combo, W+W2 steelbook combo.

    But why is it a problem if they don't want to remake the games separately? Because BW and B2W2 are different games and need to be handled as such. If Game Freak chooses to remake B+B2 and W+W2 on the same cartridge, there's only two possibilities I can think of: the games are, first and foremost, BW remakes, and B2W2 is delegated to a "Looker/Delta Episode"-esque post-game role; or both games are literally on the same cartridge.

    Let's start with the first option. I really hate this option. B2W2 deserve to be their own full-fledged games and I can't imagine they'd work well at all as some minor post-game "episode." Unless these were massive post-game episodes where you go through and battle each Gym Leader, fight through the new Team Plasma, etc., I don't think any fan of gen 5 would like it. It wouldn't even really be "B2W2" at that point, because the story itself wouldn't work. You wouldn't be playing as the B2W2 protagonists, so a lot of the character interactions wouldn't have the same meaning (Marlon, Colress, Hugh, Cheren, Bianca, etc.). It would be easy enough to do, adding in some post-game areas to reflect the new places in B2W2 and add in a few NPC battles with new major characters such as Colress, Hugh, the new Gym Leaders, etc., but it wouldn't feel like B2W2 and I can't imagine fans of gen 5 will react to it very well. I know I wouldn't.

    So then we reach the "both games are on the same cartridge" idea. This may pose some problems to begin with. Once the "B2W2" portion of the game starts, it's easy enough to add in the new areas and keep Route 10, so every location across the two games are accessible. But when would you get access to your BW Pokémon? How would you be able to switch between the BW/B2W2 protagonists and have it feel "right?" Because the BW protagonists are not in Unova at the time of B2W2 and that's something I don't think should change. These are important questions because with gen 5 having BW and B2W2 be separate games, you can go through all of B2W2 but still go back and play BW whenever you want to play as the previous protagonists (which is important to some people).

    I think this idea could work, however, if they took an approach like this: you start up the game and play through BW. Once you beat BW and the credits roll, the next time you start up the game it begins "Two years later" and you get to play through B2W2. Once that's completed, a new post-game "episode" can open up (The Gray Episode???????) that takes place, well, after the events of B2W2. I don't know what the conflict would be but it could potentially involve the Original Dragon (since lots of fans would like to see it), and it could culminate with the BW protagonist returning to help. This would establish why they're back, giving the player a legitimate reason to be able to switch between protagonists at will (and have access to their Pokémon) once it's over, and since it would be an "all-new story" it would be okay that it hadn't happened in the original (also I personally would love to see something like that happen). It would also give players a way to experience BW and B2W2 in their entirety while also having something new to experience in the end as an added bonus. (Also: you get to have the "data transfer" from the original gen 5 without the need for two systems.)

    I know I'm placing a lot of importance on the ability to "switch between protagonists" but it really is something that's big for fans of certain protagonists (imagine if gen 1 and 2 were on the same cartridge but then you could never get to play as Red again once you go to Johto), but it's also important because in gen 5 the protagonists themselves are important. Because of their stories, it doesn't make sense for Hilda/Hilbert to be playing through the events of B2W2, for instance.

    This is honestly the best way I can see gen 5 remakes happening. It's rather ambitious, yes, but I think gen 5 deserve remakes that capture the storytelling strengths of their originals, and that really can only be achieved through these kinds of means: treating BW and B2W2 as separate entities and remaking them in their entirety. I would not actually be opposed to another set of sequels, but then you aren't remaking gen 5, you're adding to it. This is definitely not a bad thing but I love the idea of experiencing BW and B2W2 in full 3D with potentially amazing series additions by the time they come around (imagine experiencing Skyarrow Bridge not only in full 3D but with a controllable camera). I really wouldn't be against B3W3 if they were made well, but I would still like to see gen 5 revisited, and any "after story" could be included in the post-game if Game Freak felt it was necessary, so ultimately I'd prefer gen 5 remakes.
     
    We haven't seen a game get a prequel yet, so it would be interesting, however, With black/white 2 already being here, I can't really se any different games, except a remake a la hg/ss
     
    I think a prequel would be fun if it explored the legendary history of the dragons- either you get to choose, at the beginning of the game, if you prefer truth or ideals OR your choice is within the version itself. Either way, you play as one of the sons of the Twin Heroes, fighting for your belief, and the history of the Unova region plays out from that perspective. Each game could offer version-exclusive story events/chapters. Honestly I'm thinking of something similar to the beginning of Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones, if you get my drift. It would definitely be a deviation from the usual Pokémon format, but they're doing that with Sun and Moon already, aren't they? :D
     
    A prequel could be fun, as those games have already gotten sequels when the only other true sequels were GSC/HGSS. A prequel would fit in the unique story pattern that Unova had, but I'm nlt sure we'd get that. A remake of course is most possible, but even then like I said they tried to be new and unique, unewque, with Unova already, who knows what could happen?

    What I'd want is a total remake with the 3d and stuff and for the pokedex keep the unova dex only in the first ones but allow trades up to get whatever other Gen pokemon you wanted. Maybe make it like 'Steel Gray and Steel Gray 2' but with better names lol. It'd be a sort of cross over of both games where depending on Gender or a Choice in the game earlier you could get either Zekrom/Black Kyurem or Reshiram/White Kyurem. I mean?? How cool would that be?? A multiple choice game?? Albeit the choices there are small and limited that'd be nice. The characters would still be based on Hilbert/Hilda then Nate/Rosa. The 2 remake would have a similar dex to BW2 but with a little more choice of Gen 7/8 Pokemon and again the ability to trade up. The stories would have a couple additions the way ORAS had the Meteorite event or FRLG's Sevii Islands or HGSS's Pokeathelon.

    But really all we need is 3D updated multi-choice movie scripts in remade BW2 amen and amen.
     
    I removed everything I was quoting by accident rip
    I'd say that Ying/Yang wouldn't be possible because of no colours but... I guess X, Y, and Sun, Moon tell me otherwise. Ying/Yang is cool but it might confuse kids with the title a bit, maaaaaaaaaybe?

    That's awesome! Bundling them in would be such a good money grab it's amazing lol. Although who could resist getting all of them?

    Honestly people WANT a huge post-game. What if it was a new character you explored Unova through entirely? So like if there were only two of them the events of both games are altered a bit. Instead of Team Plasma playing out the way YOU saw it in the original games... you're actually a member in the crowd at that first speech (nobody just seemed to notice you at first). You battle N yourself, after, in the second route, and carry on. Who's to say that there wasn't another protagonist who just didn't make it in time? That'd be you, now. Your protagonist goes through the game and stops other similar Team Plasma plots, and the grunts say "You brats are all the same, foiling our plots like the kid we tried to steal a Pokemon from." So like an alternate world type thing where you know your original 2010 protagonist is doing their own thing, and you're doing your own thing too. Then post-game in B2W2 territory a couple of years later your character is invited to a special league, starting in the newly developed Aspertia town. You meet Cheren and he says he's not ready to take on trainers yet and you go do your thing etc. It can fit in with the previous plot if done right and gives you a new protagonist to experience your journey in. Crazy idea, but it can work!

    I think a prequel would be fun if it explored the legendary history of the dragons- either you get to choose, at the beginning of the game, if you prefer truth or ideals OR your choice is within the version itself. Either way, you play as one of the sons of the Twin Heroes, fighting for your belief, and the history of the Unova region plays out from that perspective. Each game could offer version-exclusive story events/chapters. Honestly I'm thinking of something similar to the beginning of Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones, if you get my drift. It would definitely be a deviation from the usual Pokémon format, but they're doing that with Sun and Moon already, aren't they? :D

    Choices!! That's cool. :) The only thing is it would feel entirely different to the current games... but I could see it working if they did it right. I certainly want to experience that time :(
     
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