US Debt Ceiling crisis

Just for the hell of it, Mr. X's plan to fix our revenue issues. And other various things.

1. Slash military spending drasticly. There is no need to keep a entire force of legalized killers and/or rapists on government payrole (You hear of the iraqui women that some sodiers raped just for the hell of it? Yah.) That said, if we DO get attacked then send out the missiles. Blow our enemies all to hell.

2. As Loz said earlier, get rid of tax brackets. Lets intoduce a more stable/fair/reliable tax system. Lets say... We tax you $.05 for every dollar you make. You make 36000 a year you pay 1800 in INCOME tax (Not taking into account property taxes)

3. Tax churches, or at least, those that buy freaking jumbo jets saying that they are going to use it to do 'gods' work. There is no need for a church to have a jet... What they gonna do, drop bibles over some country to spread the word?

4. Death taxes. Make them just like my above tax idea, $.05 for every dollar.

5. Get the rid of pork barrel spending. Almost all of it is useless (Pickle technology for example... really wtf?)

6. Redo SSI completely. Instead of each person drawing from a big fund, they will draw from their own funds. Lets say that you work for 50 years, and every payday (assuming 1 month) $50 of your check was put into your fund. You retire, you get the entire fund. Seems fair to me.

7. Lets STOP buying oil from other countries. If we taped our oil deposits more we would have enough to last us for a good long time. That said, no need to give our money (that can be used for other things) to some middle east country.

8. Lets keep religion seperate from politics. If you are agenst something, give us reasons that are NOT related to the bible or your religious bedtime story of choice.

9. With religion removed, we can now research more technologies that were previously not allowed to ONLY because of religious objections.

10. Increase the required milage per gallon on new cars immediately (within 5 years) and have the minimum millage increase by one mile per year. This will sve people money that they can spend on goods to help the economy.

11. What ever happened to american made goods? 5 out of every ten items I buy (except for food stuffs) was made in china. We DONT need to import american designed goods from another country people. How about we make our own damn junk from now on? This will also help solve the jobs issue.

12. Lets get rid of some of these mexicans who jump the boarder. Make it a requirement for ANYONE who is looking for ANY job to provide a valid id, birth certificate and if applicable a work visa, naturilization papers, or any other legal document showing just how you are a american citizen. You hire someone who isn't a legal citizen, you get tossed into jail or have your entire buisnuess shut down.

13. This is not related to the above idea's for jobs and revenue but do we REALLY need all these golf courses? Just land going to waste for a stupid sport (Really... Hit a ball, chase after it, hit it again... This is a sport why?)

14. As above, but for nascar... Really, watching a car going 200 miles in a circle? I admit that its proably one of the only places you can see a 26 car pile up and not be in it but still... this excitiing event rarely happens.)
 
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7 - Short answer, it's better to waste others' reserves before ours.
8 - It's called being non-conservative.
9 - See above.
10 - Minimal increase.
11 - If you want prices to be 9128648291x more expensive, sure.
12 - Good in principle except no one is going to follow it. Like how it is right now.
13 - LMFAO
14 - LMFAO
 
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Mr. X said:
Just for the hell of it, Mr. X's plan to fix our revenue issues. And other various things.

1. Slash military spending drasticly. There is no need to keep a entire force of legalized killers and/or rapists on government payrole (You hear of the iraqui women that some sodiers raped just for the hell of it? Yah.) That said, if we DO get attacked then send out the missiles. Blow our enemies all to hell.

2. As Loz said earlier, get rid of tax brackets. Lets intoduce a more stable/fair/reliable tax system. Lets say... We tax you $.05 for every dollar you make. You make 36000 a year you pay 1800 in INCOME tax (Not taking into account property taxes)

3. Tax churches, or at least, those that buy freaking jumbo jets saying that they are going to use it to do 'gods' work. There is no need for a church to have a jet... What they gonna do, drop bibles over some country to spread the word?

4. Death taxes. Make them just like my above tax idea, $.05 for every dollar.

5. Get the rid of pork barrel spending. Almost all of it is useless (Pickle technology for example... really wtf?)

6. Redo SSI completely. Instead of each person drawing from a big fund, they will draw from their own funds. Lets say that you work for 50 years, and every payday (assuming 1 month) $50 of your check was put into your fund. You retire, you get the entire fund. Seems fair to me.

7. Lets STOP buying oil from other countries. If we taped our oil deposits more we would have enough to last us for a good long time. That said, no need to give our money (that can be used for other things) to some middle east country.

8. Lets keep religion seperate from politics. If you are agenst something, give us reasons that are NOT related to the bible or your religious bedtime story of choice.

9. With religion removed, we can now research more technologies that were previously not allowed to ONLY because of religious objections.

10. Increase the required milage per gallon on new cars immediately (within 5 years) and have the minimum millage increase by one mile per year. This will sve people money that they can spend on goods to help the economy.

11. What ever happened to american made goods? 5 out of every ten items I buy (except for food stuffs) was made in china. We DONT need to import american designed goods from another country people. How about we make our own damn junk from now on? This will also help solve the jobs issue.

12. Lets get rid of some of these mexicans who jump the boarder. Make it a requirement for ANYONE who is looking for ANY job to provide a valid id, birth certificate and if applicable a work visa, naturilization papers, or any other legal document showing just how you are a american citizen. You hire someone who isn't a legal citizen, you get tossed into jail or have your entire buisnuess shut down.

13. This is not related to the above idea's for jobs and revenue but do we REALLY need all these golf courses? Just land going to waste for a stupid sport (Really... Hit a ball, chase after it, hit it again... This is a sport why?)

14. As above, but for nascar... Really, watching a car going 200 miles in a circle? I admit that its proably one of the only places you can see a 26 car pile up and not be in it but still... this excitiing event rarely happens.)
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While we do have some common ground, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on some points.

1) No death taxes! These taxes are unfair and wrong. You paid taxes while you earned that money, and you paid taxes while you saved it. You shouldn't have to pay taxes three times on the same money. Twice is bad enough.

2) Nonprofits are tax-exempt for a reason. They provide charitable services to the needy. We shouldn't take money away from that.

3) Taking religion out doesn't have anything to do with fiscal issues, but you can't prevent people from voting just because some of their decisions might be motivated by religion. That's unconstitutional and extreme.
 
I'm all for not buying anymore oil from the Middle East, but we can't utilize our resources we might have because the bleeding hearts will start crying for Johnny Polar Bear in Alaska and the fear of another BP oil spill in the gulf. The Gulf coast is probably still paying the price for BP's stupidity!

However, you missed one point, Mr. X. We should stop sending money to Afghanistan! Have you heard of the reports that some of that money is going to terrorists? We gave them probably over a billion dollars and it sickens me that some of that money is being used to kill our troops over there.

About Golf Courses and NASCAR tracks, I don't give a crap about golf, but NASCAR... Why not revamp the older tracks to increase the capacity to prevent newer, cookie cutter tracks from being built. And nowadays people don't want a NASCAR track in their area, all thanks to NIMBY. As you can see, I'm a NASCAR fan.

And now I'm going to filibuster whether to go to sleep or not.
 
As I'm typing this, the Senate is now voting on the bill to raise the debt limit and instate those cuts.
 
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There is a bigger problem if the sente in the US can't fix the problem the bigger problem is the whole world could become in danger of a very expencive bill.
(If only everyone knew how to share fairly there'd be no need for money and there wouldn't be this big problem)
 
It passed in the Senate. Now maybe we can get back to having a government doing something useful.

I really, I mean really, hope that the tea partiers aren't going to do this to every single thing they don't like. I'm quite disgusted that they could take the economy hostage like they did, and get away with a lot of it. I blame Boehner and other less crazy Republicans for not standing up to them, but also Obama for bending over backwards to a lot of these outrageous demands. I know some Republicans are going to be upset that they couldn't stick the knife in deeper, but really, y'all got more than you deserved.
 
Scarf said:
It passed in the Senate. Now maybe we can get back to having a government doing something useful.

I really, I mean really, hope that the tea partiers aren't going to do this to every single thing they don't like. I'm quite disgusted that they could take the economy hostage like they did, and get away with a lot of it. I blame Boehner and other less crazy Republicans for not standing up to them, but also Obama for bending over backwards to a lot of these outrageous demands. I know some Republicans are going to be upset that they couldn't stick the knife in deeper, but really, y'all got more than you deserved.
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They did the right thing. They knew Obama would cave eventually, so they successfully stopped taxes from being raised.
 
The Tea Party don't care about what happens. They just want their way like the spoiled brats they are and hold this country hostage. Sure, they don't care, but what about the rest of us Americans? Either way, we're still being screwed. Aren't the Tea Party members of the middle class? Or are they secretly the upper class who want to run this country?

They make me sick! And don't give me that "they did the right thing" crap either. Most of them don't even have careers in politics. Hell, one of them was working in a pizza joint before being brainwashed by those fascists.
 
Mario The World Champion said:
The Tea Party don't care about what happens. They just want their way like the spoiled brats they are and hold this country hostage. Sure, they don't care, but what about the rest of us Americans? Either way, we're still being screwed. Aren't the Tea Party members of the middle class? Or are they secretly the upper class who want to run this country?

They make me sick! And don't give me that "they did the right thing" crap either. Most of them don't even have careers in politics. Hell, one of them was working in a pizza joint before being brainwashed by those fascists.
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That's the beauty of them. They're not career politicians corrupted by the political machine. They're everyday citizens like you and I.
 
Everyday citizens who are blinded by their own views to see the real picture. They are the ones who basically corrupted the Republican caucus with their destructive rhetoric.

Limewire, please close this thread. I think this "discussion" is finished. The debt ceiling is raised, we avoided disaster. The end.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
They did the right thing. They knew Obama would cave eventually, so they successfully stopped taxes from being raised.
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FreakyLocz14 said:
That's the beauty of them. They're not career politicians corrupted by the political machine. They're everyday citizens like you and I.
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lol

It's sad how people are calling this a victory though. When it comes to the point when preventing the ****ing economy from crashing is a "victory," something has to be changed.
 
Black Ice said:

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lol

It's sad how people are calling this a victory though. When it comes to the point when preventing the ****ing economy from crashing is a "victory," something has to be changed.
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I agree. Obama needs to realize that raising taxes on small businesses will devastate our already devastated job maket.

The partisan bickering needs to stop. The American people elected a new Congress so that we can get spending under control and not raise taxes.
 
The big corperations that are abusing tax loopholes need to use those 'savings' to create more jobs.

But yah, im all up for controling spending. Lets slash all military spending. All medicare. All social security. All education spending. Lets slash everything that we spend money on. While were at it, lets cut all taxes as well. We've slashed all spending so we no longer need all of these taxes.

I guarentee you that if we do this the country will be worse off then it is now. But hey, Republicans are all for cutting spending and reducing taxes... So, according to them, doing this should solve all our problems.

You know what we should do? Lets slash the Presidents pay. And the pay of all the senate and house members. Do you think your slash happy republicans will support this?

Also, you hear about all them airport workers who were layed off since congress/senate/whatevergroup didn't approiate funds for them? They had their budget 'slashed' in a since and all it caused was a loss of jobs.

Also related to air travel. This tax that effected the price of plane tickets expired. Seems simple, no tax, tickets be cheaper. Guess what... The air travel companys (most of) just increased the price of tickets to what it was with the tax. Yah. So please explain this... you could say that this company got a tax break. How will this directly/quickly help the average person?
 
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But yah, im all up for controling spending. Lets slash all military spending. All medicare. All social security. All education spending. Lets slash everything that we spend money on. While were at it, lets cut all taxes as well. We've slashed all spending so we no longer need all of these taxes.
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The problem with that is that you'd still need some taxes to pay off all those debts that people were fixing the budget over in the first place. :/
 
Dragonite Ernston said:
The problem with that is that you'd still need some taxes to pay off all those debts that people were fixing the budget over in the first place. :/
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He was being sarcastic and exaggerating, as you can tell by the following sentence.

Also, amusing Onion article that I enjoyed a lot relating to the deal: Clicky
 
Mr. X said:
The big corperations that are abusing tax loopholes need to use those 'savings' to create more jobs.

But yah, im all up for controling spending. Lets slash all military spending. All medicare. All social security. All education spending. Lets slash everything that we spend money on. While were at it, lets cut all taxes as well. We've slashed all spending so we no longer need all of these taxes.

I guarentee you that if we do this the country will be worse off then it is now. But hey, Republicans are all for cutting spending and reducing taxes... So, according to them, doing this should solve all our problems.

You know what we should do? Lets slash the Presidents pay. And the pay of all the senate and house members. Do you think your slash happy republicans will support this?

Also, you hear about all them airport workers who were layed off since congress/senate/whatevergroup didn't approiate funds for them? They had their budget 'slashed' in a since and all it caused was a loss of jobs.

Also related to air travel. This tax that effected the price of plane tickets expired. Seems simple, no tax, tickets be cheaper. Guess what... The air travel companys (most of) just increased the price of tickets to what it was with the tax. Yah. So please explain this... you could say that this company got a tax break. How will this directly/quickly help the average person?
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The point of spending cuts are not to benefit the average person right away. The point is to get the national debt under control.
 
Also related to air travel. This tax that effected the price of plane tickets expired. Seems simple, no tax, tickets be cheaper. Guess what... The air travel companys (most of) just increased the price of tickets to what it was with the tax. Yah. So please explain this... you could say that this company got a tax break. How will this directly/quickly help the average person?
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No more tax. Loss in revenue for the government. Airline uses this opportunity to jack up the price of tickets to the rate it was with the tax.

Explain to me how them going this will help the national debt. All it seems to have done was cause the US to lose revenue, with the average person still paying the exact same thing they were before.

And, what it your view on slashing the pay of the President and all members of congress/senate/house? They are paid with government money and slashing their pay will save money so it is a great idea if the republicans are to be beleived.
 
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