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USUM last pokémon game for 3DS?

There are a few things to consider, I think 8th Gen will be on Switch, but I don't know if there will be another game or not.

We will either have a break for a year, meaning no main series game in 2018.
We will have another main series game on the 3ds next year, which would be a remake of something.

And finally, if they choose to bring out a Switch Game next year, then they need to make sure Nintendo is mass produceing the Switch, because....... I haven't seen a Switch in stores since a week after its release.

So, bringing a pokemon game out when there isn't enough consoles is a very bad move.
 
Phyrrhic said:
The supply shortages were only a major issue at launch (like all new big name tech), and although they still exist to a smaller degree, that doesnt warrant 75% less sales. I might also add that the 3DS had a similar supply issue at launch.

The comparison was for sales over the same time period, being pre-orders plus two quarters of sales. Nintendo's sales estimates (prior to launch/supply problems) were 20m units sold by Q2 2018, compared to the 31m 3DS units sold over the same period.

The 5m switch units sold, compared to the 67m of the 3DS should force GF to not develop for the switch until it has a much larger user base. Sales would be severely limited, lowering revenue, coupled with the costs of developing for the new system, lowering profits. From a monetary standpoint, GF should not be making a switch exclusive game for at least another development cycle.

I have a Switch, and would love to have a main series game on it, but im just being realistic. I wouldnt mind some of the more obscure Pokemon titles i.e. Pokemon Ranger being released, as it wouldnt be as risky as making the main series Switch only.

EDIT: I might add that GF is a company, their only goal is to make money, not to innovate for the sake of innovation. Selling on the switch only would be a terrible buisness choice. It is only a vocal minority of fans who want games on the switch, as the switch user base is currently a minority in the Nintendo ecosystem.
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But it took me two weeks to find a Switch last month, my friend called the stores yesterday and they still haven't received any in weeks. There's an entire subreddit dedicated to helping people get Switches because they're still hard to find. So I'm not sure where your first paragraph claim is coming from when people are still having issues in huge areas with almost a million people in one city + more from the surrounding areas. Theoretically places in NYC and SF would have them in stock right?
 
Alexander18 said:
I don't think so. GF does what they want in the end. I don't buy fan service for a second.
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DmitritheDitto said:
I agree with Alexander,Fanservice is a bunch of baloney.Never think a company listens to their fans in the end it comes down to GF to decide.
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As Phyrrhic said a while up, Gamefreak is a company. They need to make money, and they will do whatever it takes. Do you think they make third versions for no reason? It's so they can make more money. Every game they make, they make with the intent of getting money. They're not ROM hackers. They don't make games for fun. It's these people's jobs. They need to pay their employees, and they need to have enough revenue coming in, especially during times when no games are being releases, that they can actually pay them.

Pokemon Go brought lots of old fans back. Around that time they announced alolan forms for 5 kanto pokemon. Coincidence? No, it's marketing. Honestly, fanservice isn't even what fans want half the time. Fanservice =/= doing everything the way that the fans want. Fanservice is putting features in that will sell.
 
MUDKIP!!! said:
As Phyrrhic said a while up, Gamefreak is a company. They need to make money, and they will do whatever it takes. Do you think they make third versions for no reason? It's so they can make more money. Every game they make, they make with the intent of getting money. They're not ROM hackers. They don't make games for fun. It's these people's jobs. They need to pay their employees, and they need to have enough revenue coming in, especially during times when no games are being releases, that they can actually pay them.

Pokemon Go brought lots of old fans back. Around that time they announced alolan forms for 5 kanto pokemon. Coincidence? No, it's marketing. Honestly, fanservice isn't even what fans want half the time. Fanservice =/= doing everything the way that the fans want. Fanservice is putting features in that will sell.
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Not to mention the fact that an essential part of marketing is understanding demand and brand image. They might not always have great ideas or give fans anything useful, but more often than not they pay attention to what their audience is saying. That's just good business practice, and neither The Pokemon Company nor Game Freak are exempt from that.
 
Altairis said:
But it took me two weeks to find a Switch last month, my friend called the stores yesterday and they still haven't received any in weeks. There's an entire subreddit dedicated to helping people get Switches because they're still hard to find. So I'm not sure where your first paragraph claim is coming from when people are still having issues in huge areas with almost a million people in one city + more from the surrounding areas. Theoretically places in NYC and SF would have them in stock right?
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Thats an isolated supply issue. If supply was met in those urban areas it would only increase the user base by at most 150,000 and im being super generous.

If you want a switch, go to the Walmart in Avon, CO. They had like 6 in the cabinet a few weeks ago, and your situation is anecdotal, and as I said in my first post, supply issues exist, but not a 15m unit shortage. Maybe 1m at most.

Its important to remember, the console costs $300 if you are lucky. This is not affordable to a majority of the Nintendo user base, which is the market that the 3DS fulfills. Most people would save the extra $100 and get a brand new, much more robust console from Microsoft or Sony.
 
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MUDKIP!!! said:
As Phyrrhic said a while up, Gamefreak is a company. They need to make money, and they will do whatever it takes. Do you think they make third versions for no reason? It's so they can make more money. Every game they make, they make with the intent of getting money. They're not ROM hackers. They don't make games for fun. It's these people's jobs. They need to pay their employees, and they need to have enough revenue coming in, especially during times when no games are being releases, that they can actually pay them.

Pokemon Go brought lots of old fans back. Around that time they announced alolan forms for 5 kanto pokemon. Coincidence? No, it's marketing. Honestly, fanservice isn't even what fans want half the time. Fanservice =/= doing everything the way that the fans want. Fanservice is putting features in that will sell.
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I disagree with you. GF do what they want and not have to sink low to fanservice. They are better than that. Give them more credit than that.
 
MUDKIP!!! said:
I wouldn't call it an isolated issue. It shouldn't be news when a new shipment comes in.
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Its an isolated issue. Which means that its an issue in isolated areas.

But amazon ships everywhere in the us, so if u need one there it is in stock.

I get your point though
 
Phyrrhic said:
Its an isolated issue. Which means that its an issue in isolated areas.

But amazon ships everywhere in the us, so if u need one there it is in stock.

I get your point though
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Sure amazon has them, but I am not going to spend on $300 dollars on something that comes through the mail and I know I am not the only one. I don't trust the UPS, FedEx or USPS with a package of that value. I want to buy it where I am the one transporting it.

I live in Tenn and there is not a single store in a 50 mile radius that has had these for months. Isolated is small areas, when it is an entire state or bigger areas, it isn't isolated.

And looking on Amazon, it would seem they are basically already sold out.
 
Since they announced core series games for the Switch, I think Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon will be the last core Pokemon games for the 3DS. I'm not sure if they plan on releasing another spin off like Mystery Dungeon or not.
 
Alexander18 said:
I disagree with you. GF do what they want and not have to sink low to fanservice. They are better than that. Give them more credit than that.
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It isn't a bad thing to put fanservice in games. It's supposed to make the experience more enjoyable. Besides, it's pretty much industry standard at this point xD
 
MUDKIP!!! said:
It isn't a bad thing to put fanservice in games. It's supposed to make the experience more enjoyable. Besides, it's pretty much industry standard at this point xD
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I don't like it. I want GF to do what they want and not what fans want. Imagine everything that every fans want jammed into the game. It becomes a huge mess that the games can't recover from.
 
IcyIce said:
Sure amazon has them, but I am not going to spend on $300 dollars on something that comes through the mail and I know I am not the only one. I don't trust the UPS, FedEx or USPS with a package of that value. I want to buy it where I am the one transporting it.

I live in Tenn and there is not a single store in a 50 mile radius that has had these for months. Isolated is small areas, when it is an entire state or bigger areas, it isn't isolated.

And looking on Amazon, it would seem they are basically already sold out.
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Beggars can't be choosers, UPS has yet to ruin anything for me. I'm Just trying to justify a point.

Its not a personal issue, the Switch is selling very well, but user adoption will have to rise more before making a switch exclusive main series game feasible. As I said in the original post, I own a switch, and would love to have the game on it, but its just not reasonable yet.

5M sales is on par with another Home console, the PS4, which was plagued with even more massive shortages, as demand was much higher.

OP asked if people think this will be the last game on the 3DS. I believe there is at least one more game on the 3DS due to the Switch market not being large enough to support an exclusive title, which I wrote, and backed up with sales data.

I already said that my view of supply is anecdotal, but so is everybody else's until Nintendo releases a detailed report on the topic (if they ever do).

My point is that switch sales are not high enough to support an exclusive title. Sales are a number of units sold, not number of people that want one. Sales will continue to rise, it is just a question of if they are able to reach a high enough before the development cycle starts. They might release it due to willingness to take a loss, or massive Nintendo funding, but thats a diffeent discussion. Besides, the fact that im seeing many people complain about not owning a switch due to lack of supply only further proves my point that GF has no incentive to develop for the switch exclusively until user count rises, because the fact stands that not enough people have the switch.

EDIT: Here is Nintendo's Q2 2017 Earnings Release: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/170726e.pdf. Interesting read if you are curious about sales.
 
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Phyrrhic said:
also here: https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Switch-Gray-Joy-Con/dp/B01LTHP2ZK?th=1
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It's not in stock lmao so is this proving my point or....

edit: the neon only has 2 in stock for a major, newly released this year console. and a town with a population of 6,000 having Switches in stock vs the sf bay area with 7 million people with a ton of money not having anything in weeks proves nothing cause you just said it's expensive so the people who would buy it there are less. so I don't get your point at all.
 
Altairis said:
It's not in stock lmao so is this proving my point or....
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lol thats kinda funny, it was in stock for me when I posted. At least I never said demand was low lol.

Dont strawman my arguement, read the post above if you are confused about my point. :)

EDIT: I'm in Denver now and I just called the closest Walmart, who has 2 in stock. I can get you one if you want to pay me a 25% handling fee B)
 
Alexander18 said:
I don't like it. I want GF to do what they want and not what fans want. Imagine everything that every fans want jammed into the game. It becomes a huge mess that the games can't recover from.
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luckily for you, that's not how it works. There are deadlines, hardware limitations, and of course, no matter how much fans ask, there are certain features they would never add (For example, they're gonna keep the rating down to E)
 
Phyrrhic said:
Beggars can't be choosers, UPS has yet to ruin anything for me. I'm Just trying to justify a point.

Its not a personal issue, the Switch is selling very well, but user adoption will have to rise more before making a switch exclusive main series game feasible. As I said in the original post, I own a switch, and would love to have the game on it, but its just not reasonable yet.

5M sales is on par with another Home console, the PS4, which was plagued with even more massive shortages, as demand was much higher.

OP asked if people think this will be the last game on the 3DS. I believe there is at least one more game on the 3DS due to the Switch market not being large enough to support an exclusive title, which I wrote, and backed up with sales data.

I already said that my view of supply is anecdotal, but so is everybody else's until Nintendo releases a detailed report on the topic (if they ever do).

My point is that switch sales are not high enough to support an exclusive title. Sales are a number of units sold, not number of people that want one. Sales will continue to rise, it is just a question of if they are able to reach a high enough before the development cycle starts. They might release it due to willingness to take a loss, or massive Nintendo funding, but thats a diffeent discussion. Besides, the fact that im seeing many people complain about not owning a switch due to lack of supply only further proves my point that GF has no incentive to develop for the switch exclusively until user count rises, because the fact stands that not enough people have the switch.

EDIT: Here is Nintendo's Q2 2017 Earnings Release: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/170726e.pdf. Interesting read if you are curious about sales.
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Was demand really all that much higher for the PS4, though? First year sales were a bit under 18.5 million, slightly lower than projected demand for the Switch in its first year.

Regardless, there will be enough uptake by the time the next title comes out that none of this is really an issue. A new title would absolutely not come out until at least the holiday season of next year, at which point we could see the sales figures rise to around 30 million or so, if Nintendo's own projections hold true.

That's not just enough to launch a main series exclusive game - or set of games - but enough to see pretty massive sales of that game, too. We already know that such a game is in production, and the chance of it being released on multiple Nintendo platforms is really, really low. I love the 3DS line and I advocate for it pretty strongly - on other forums, I've argued that there's no reason to expect that it will be cut off from support in 2018. However, it's been around for over six years now, so it's just about near the end of its life cycle - they're probably not going to keep releasing main series titles on it. Support for it will probably reach end of life status in mid-to-late 2019, so releasing a main series game in 2018 just won't really work all that well.

As for the possibility of a multi-platform release, that would really only have worked this year. You have to hit at the right time, in the middle of a transition, like Breath of the Wild did - and we saw that it had to be right at the beginning of the newer console's life span to sell decently cross-platform. It's not something I think Nintendo does all that often, and there's probably a good reason for that!

I think we should look at the Switch as an opportunity with this series. While the series has grown and evolved over the years, it became apparent with Sun and Moon that its starting to outgrow the smaller platforms that it has historically occupied - and that's a direct parallel to the handheld consoles kind of being phased out if the hybrid Switch is successful. The series needs more space to showcase its world, and a platform to dive deeper into the storytelling and lore that started to see some really great expansion as the 3DS generations continued. The Switch, as both a home console and a handheld console, is the perfect Pokemon console, and you can bet they'll want to show us what they can do with it!
 
Phyrrhic said:
lol thats kinda funny, it was in stock for me when I posted. At least I never said demand was low lol.

Dont strawman my arguement, read the post above if you are confused about my point. :)

EDIT: I'm in Denver now and I just called the closest Walmart, who has 2 in stock. I can get you one if you want to pay me a 25% handling fee B)
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A lot of people are also waiting for either:

A) More games (Mario Odyssey :p)
B) A bundle with more games
 
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