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Volt Tackle?

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    I was just watching this vid about Pikachu learning Electro ball, but how could it forget 1 of the other moves if they all were way better.
    Then the 1st comment said it forgot Volt Tackle for that O_O wtf ?
    Did it really forget Volt Tackle bcuz that right there might just make "Pokemon" not so good as it was be4, IMO. I actually love Pokemon. The 1st 2 regions were awesome but then the 3rd gen. was decent and the 4th wasn't that good as the other 3.

    So i'm just wondering if Pikachu forgot Volt Tackle, if it did i would be so depressed l:

    Thx for having the time to read this ;D
     

    Bonechill

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    I don't exactly know, but I don't understand why Pikachu would forget Volt Tackle, it's an awesome move. Unless the writers plan on doing something with Electro Ball, I want Volt Tackle.
     
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    PlatinumDude

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    Considering that Pikachu's recently used moves are Quick Attack, Thunderbolt, Iron Tail and Electro Ball, then yes, I do think that Pikachu forgot Volt Tackle when it learned Electro Ball.
     

    TheFuturePokemon

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    I don't exactly know, but I don't understand why Pikachu would forget Volt Tackle, it's an awesome move. Unless the writers plan on doing something with Electro Ball, I want Volt Tackle.

    Well the writers have been using Electro ball to block attacks. Like Focus Blast and such.
     

    Bonechill

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    Well, that's suitable for now at least. But I really prefer Volt Tackle
     

    Charicific

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    I believe the same thing happened with Thunder right? I believe Volt Tackle replaced Thunder, so if we don't see Volt Tackle for some time expect it being replaced by the new, yet more powerful actually, Electro Ball.
     
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    Among all the move pickchu learn ,Electro ball is the worst
    Volt tackle is a great move, perfect of faceing move like Drill peck or Drill run
    Thunder volt is not as strong as Thunber but it got accurcity .Plus unlike other elemental move, Electric move generated from hole body which is pikachu can zap it's oppornate by touching
    This is the greatest advantage of Electric type
    Iron tail is pikachu most use move & it's the only physical move pikachu use for defance
    Quick is fast move but when pikachu use is the attact it use's it's bare body which is Why when pikachu goes head to head against move like Drill pack or Dragon rush pikachu receive a full Damage
    Pikachu has 2 flew
    1)Defence : It's pikachu 1st flew .whenever it face's a hand or punch related move , all it can do is defend itself with Iron tail
    But as u see, In the Battlle against Paul's Electrivire when Pikachu use Iron tail to protect itself from Thunder punch it became Defenceless
    While Electricvire another hand was free to knock Pikachu out. so Pikachu need to learn a move that can be use to protect from hand based move
    Like a move simular to Shadow claw

    2)Lack of a spcial move to damage a ground type: It's pikachu another flaw. Pikachu has only one move that can seriously damage a ground type & that move is Iron tail
    Quick attack has hardly a effect on a ground type
    Plus If we talk about faceing a ground /flying pokemon then pikachu has even more disadvantage cause that pokemon can keep attacking pikachu from above but pikachu can attack it from under. all it can do is to wait for a physical attack from it's foe

    3)speed in fireing : pikachu take to time to fire a Thunder volt. Because of it it's foe can easily finish it of before pikachu charge up
    As u see Electro ball doesn't take care of any of this advantage, Rather Pikachu has to rotate it's whole body to fire this move

    So Pikachu need a stronger version of Quick attack which it body get's cover with energy
    & doesn't has recoil damage
    & It need a move that can be use both as a physical move for defending itself from hand based move & can be use as a special move
    Not some ball attack that hardly give's any advantage
     

    Charicific

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    Among all the move pickchu learn ,Electro ball is the worst

    Electro Ball is the Worst?! DUDE, Do you know how much damage that move does with the advantage of Pikachu?!?! Electro Ball's power varies, the greater the user's speed is the more powerful the attack is. In our Case, Ash's Pikachu cannot be matched in speed, So you'd better guess Electro Ball+ Pikachu does Devastating damage! Didn't you see that it knocked out Leavanny, A GRASS AND BUG TYPE!

    BTW, Electro Ball can reach a maximum power of 150!
    If you ask me it is a better move than a recoil damage "Volt Tackle", even though Volt Tackle guarantees a solid 120 Power attack, I still go with Electro Ball with Pikachu. It fits his speed very well.
     

    deoxys121

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    Electro Ball is just an electric version of Iron Tail.

    Um... no it's not. Electro Ball gets increased power the higher the user's speed is than the opponent's speed. Essentially, it is the inverse of Gyro Ball (which is more powerful the slower you are than the opponent). Iron Tail, on the other hand, is simply a 100 base power, 75% accuracy, Steel-type move that may reduce the opponent's defense. By the way, I hyperlinked the moves for a reason.
     
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    I have to say, I didn't like it either at first. Electroball didn't sound like a devastating move like Volt Tackle did, but the animators do make it look very powerful. And if you think about it, there's a logical procession from one power-move to the next. Thunder is unreliable because it has accuracy issues. The next logical step is to replace it with a move that is just as powerful, but also accurate: Volt Tackle. The obvious problem with that move is the 1/3 damage to the user. So it makes sense to replace it with an equally (possibly more) powerful move that is just as accurate and doesn't damage the user.

    As for pikachu's other moves, it's unlikely that Ash would replace one of them. Ash relies on quick attack and iron tail for opponents who are strong against electric type moves, and Thunderbolt for a reliable move with a constant base power (Electro-ball could technically be less powerful in some cases). Replacing one of those wouldn't work strategically.
     
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    Why on Earth would they do that? Volt Tackle is the Pikachu species' signature move.

    Thunderbolt is a better move anyways. I know anime =/= games, but really? This is yet another obvious attempt to shoehorn the new stuff in the anime.
     
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    That's obvious. Pikachu is the one using the moves, not Ash. And as I said many times before, pokemon don't forget moves in the anime.

    Not to start an argument, but can you name a single instance where a pokemon on the anime has used more than 4 moves? They do forget moves. When was the last time you saw Pikachu use Agility?
     
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    It doesn't matter if he doesn't use Agility anymore, it doesn't mean he forgot it. Think logically, this is the anime we are talking about, not the games. When was the last time Team Rocket said their old motto, doesn't mean they forgot it or the last time Ash put his cap backwards before throwing his pokeball, etc, etc. I never really paid attention to how many moves were used during battles so I can't answer that.
     

    Gymnotide

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    Pikachu didn't have any projectile moves. All Pokemon need a projectile move now, if you didn't notice. Plus, it would be dumb to replace Iron Tail with it since then he would have 3 Electric-type moves.
     
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    It doesn't matter if he doesn't use Agility anymore, it doesn't mean he forgot it. Think logically, this is the anime we are talking about, not the games. When was the last time Team Rocket said their old motto, doesn't mean they forgot it or the last time Ash put his cap backwards before throwing his pokeball, etc, etc. I never really paid attention to how many moves were used during battles so I can't answer that.

    Like I said, I didn't want to start any kind of argument, but can I just say that you came off a bit confrontational in both posts? I don't appreciate people confronting me with "logical" theories that they claim as fact and then telling me how wrong I am. Consider yourself warned for the following:

    In fact, it does matter to me that Pikachu doesn't use Agility anymore, because you can't cite any single instance in the anime that supports the claim that Pikachu can physically perform the attack anymore. It was never said in dialogue, the move was never demonstrated even when it would have been beneficial. Ash chose to have the move replaced with a different move to better fit his strategy. (That's another thing about your confrontational post that I'll address below)

    Imagine how you'd feel if I gave you the written equivalent of an eye-roll because you didn't understand the concept of "Schrodinger's Evolution" ("Well it's obvious that you'd expect Jesse's Wobbuffet to not evolve. Like I said before, Wobbuffet undergoes Schrodinger's Evolution. It can only evolve into Giraffarig in the wild when it is being unobserved. Captured Wobbuffet and Wobbuffet that are visible to the human eye in any way, including the use of cameras, will not evolve into Giraffarig...only wild, unobserved Wobbuffet do. Didn't you know that? Come on, think logically. This is the Anime we're talking about, not the Card Game.")

    Just because Team Rocket chooses not to do the old motto doesn't mean they're in the same category as a pokemon who learned a new move and doesn't use one of its old moves anymore. I have my car parked in my driveway. It's not running, but that doesn't mean it's broken down. Likewise, I can't hop into a broken down rusted car on cinder blocks and drive away. Just because both are motionless doesn't mean that both can start driving whenever I want to use them. One can start whenever I choose to start it, while the other physically cannot.

    And Ash does have ultimate control over which moves are used. He's the trainer. If Pikachu could decide what movepool it was going to use, it might as well just ignore Ash completely.

    If you just have a problem with the lexicon, say so. Yes, it seems foolish to think that Pikachu would have no recollection of ever using Agility, but if it never uses the move, you can't logically come to the conclusion that at any given moment it can and will use it again. If you sat in my driveway for a couple days, you'd eventually see me drive away in my car. At some point you'd have to accept that the old rust bucket on bricks just isn't going to move anymore.

    Pikachu has not used Agility in years because it physically cannot. If you don't like the term "forgot," fine, but don't get confrontational and patronizing when you don't have any evidence to support your own personal imaginary cannon.
     
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    I'm not being confrontational and I'm sorry if my comments appear that way. I was just stating my personal opinion on anime logic.

    As for Ash having control, all he does command what moves are used in battle but only if the pokemon already knows it. He can't control what moves are used as he is not Pikachu and can't mind-control or anything like that. It's not like Ash hacks into Pikachu's brain and controls his memories. That would be silly. How is it possible for Ash to choose what moves Pikachu can learn? If he was in control then he wouldn't be surprised whenever a pokemon learned a new move as he would have been expected it beforehand.


    Bulbapedia and Serebii also say that pokemon don't forget moves in the anime. I don't need evidence to support my theory. I go by logic and my theory is not imaginary. There are several places out there also like on Serebii threads and Google searhes what say pokemon don't forget moves in the anime. I don't know where you come up with the idea of my opinion being imaginary but I find it quite insulting that you would think so. It's quite annoying that there 14 years or so later, there are still people who think that the anime and the games are the same when in fact, anime =/= games. I have no idea what Schrodinger's Evolution or what you are going on about with talk about cars, etc.

    Anyway that's all I'm saying on this. I have my opinion on this and you have yours and I'm not going to argue on this any further.
     
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    deoxys121

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    Not to start an argument, but can you name a single instance where a pokemon on the anime has used more than 4 moves? They do forget moves. When was the last time you saw Pikachu use Agility?

    Read this article, on the fourth main bullet point. It clearly states that Pokemon are able to learn more than four moves and are not required to forget moves.
     
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