Wanna try this team out

[sims796]

Ninjask@Leftovers
Nature:Jolly
Substitute
Swords Dance
Baton Pass
X-Scizzor
EV:176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spe

I needed a speed passer to compliment Ursaring, so I thought Ninjask, who, if I have the time, can alsos pass SD. I swiped the EV spread straight from Smogon, so if it's wrong, correct me.


Wigglytuff@Leftovers
Nature:Calm
Wish
Thunder Wave
Focus Blast/Hyper Voice/Thunderbolt
Reflect/Light Screen
EV:32 HP, 226 Def, 252 Sp.Def or 252 HP, 252 Sp.Def

I did some calcs. With this spread, not even Ttar's EQ can OHKO, just barely comming up to an 2HKO. However, with the second EV spread (& Light Screen) she becomes a viable Sp.Wall. I don't know what it's worth, but with the second spread, she eats up Porygon Z's Hyper Beam, or even HP Fighting. Thunder Wave can cripple certain switch-ins, and with Fake Tears, I can either force switches, or have a chance to strike back. Hard. I should say, I had Heatran, Gengar, & Porygon Z in mind when I made this set.


Vileplume@Black Sludge
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
HP [ICE]
Aromatherapy
Sleep Powder
EV:244 HP, 80 Sp.Atk, 146 Sp.Def, 30 Def

Sorry, he's in almost every team I make. I can't exactly remember my EV spread.


Ursarang@Flame Orb
Nature:Adamant
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Facade
Night Slash/Shadow Claw
EV:252 Atk, 252 Spd

Hah! Beat this, Hera! It's raw power is unmatched my only Slaking, and it leaves destruction in it's wake! I might be exaggerating a bit...


Steelix@Leftovers
Nature:Impish
Stealth Rock
EQ
Rest
Stone Edge/Toxic
EV:???

I need help on this. I've decided, eh, why not use one? I'd like it to have SR, please. But I need help on it's EV spread. I can go Rest. I have a Wishpasser, but it's less reliable then Vileplume, who has Aromatherapy.


Typlosion@Choice Scarf
Nature:Modest
Eruption/Overheat
Focus Blast
Flamethrower
HP [ICE]
EV:Max Sp.Atk & Spd

It has craptasic Spd, but it's shiny with great stats elsewhere.


So, this is my proposed team. With Plosion here, I sould get a spinner, right? Oh, and the first person to say "scrap Wigglytuff", can burn in hell.

Sorry to the mods, for making too many threads at once. But this seems sound.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Ninjask@Leftovers
Nature:Jolly
Substitute
Swords Dance
Baton Pass
X-Scizzor
EV:176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spe

Nubjask XD, Roar/Whirwlind >> Nubjask. Hahaha, just kidding, looks fine.

Wigglytuff@Leftovers
Nature:Calm
Wish
Thunder Wave
Focus Blast/Hyper Voice/Thunderbolt
Reflect/Light Screen
EV:32 HP, 226 Def, 252 Sp.Def or 252 HP, 252 Sp.Def

1st spread IMo, you want to ev stuff with crap defenses and high hp like that. No Seismic Toss ? =0 This thing can learn Stealth Rock btw =). its still not gonna wall much sadly =[.


Vileplume@Black Sludge
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
HP [ICE]
Aromatherapy
Sleep Powder
EV:244 HP, 80 Sp.Atk, 146 Sp.Def, 30 Def

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Ursarang@Flame Orb
Nature:Adamant
Close Combat
Stone Edge
Facade
Night Slash/Shadow Claw
EV:252 Atk, 252 Spd

Im thinking Fire Punch, >> Stone Edge, so you dont get walled by steels ? Its Guts right and not quick feet ?


Steelix@Leftovers
Nature:Impish / Relaxed
Stealth Rock
EQ
Rest / Gyro ball
Toxic / Stone Edge / Roar
EV: 252 HP / 120 ATT / 136 SP.DEF


With that spread steelix has 479 def, which is more than enough, so put some into his mediocre attack and s.def, you can put Roar or Gyro Ball in either slot 3 or 4


I use Rest/Roar/EQ/SR and it works nice.

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Typlosion@Choice Scarf
Nature:Modest
Eruption
Focus Blast
Flamethrower/Overheat/Fire Blast
HP [ICE]
EV:Max Sp.Atk & Spd

Eruption,needed please, put another fire move in slot 3.


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Comments and stuff in bold.

Errrrm, Sims, why have you got not walling power what so ever ?, Please dont say Wigglytuff, i know you like it, but it cant wall for crap, especially so many high attacking threats in OU. Wigglytuff still wont wall T-Tar Choice Banded Stone Edges and Crunch will wreck it, Boah and DD Taunt Tar also crap all over it, as will specs mence, and what ever else that hits high power, stuff like Porygon-z, Azelf etc, its just a warning.

she eats up Porygon Z's Hyper Beam,

Ewww,, a Nasty Plot Hyper Beam ohkos standard bold blissey. It needs Calm and 216 sp.def to survive. If it owns Blissey, something tells me tuff isnt going to live. Shame, its huge hp is spoiled by its sup par defenses.


I think you need some more bulk here, everything is quite frail and dies to gyarados. As for your spinner problem, try that Starmie i gave you it beats up Gyarados aswell.


Lead with Typhlosion, it will work out better, then you can send in the Jask once their PHazer is gone/dead.


With Ursaring as your only poke to benefit from Jask, maybe take the scarf from Typhlosion, so you can pass it speed ?

 

[sims796]

Brilliant! I forgot the fact that I have Jask to pass speed. I'll do that instead, giving it Specs.

I also forgot that I lacked bulk. My attention was soley on Wigglytuff this time round. It actually makes a decent Sp.Wall with Light Screen invested, but I forgot one key thing: Fake Tears. It was supposed to have that, enabling it to take out many sp.threats, and force switches. But, I forgot that I only have 4 moveslots :laugh:. Tuff really isn't so bad, and it does have survivabilty with Light Screen invested. I only mentioned Hyper Beam in order to show what an NU can do :P


I might remove Plume, as this is Tuff's time to shine, in place of Starmie.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Brilliant! I forgot the fact that I have Jask to pass speed. I'll do that instead, giving it Specs.

I also forgot that I lacked bulk. My attention was soley on Wigglytuff this time round. It actually makes a decent Sp.Wall with Light Screen invested, but I forgot one key thing: Fake Tears. It was supposed to have that, enabling it to take out many sp.threats, and force switches. But, I forgot that I only have 4 moveslots :laugh:. Tuff really isn't so bad, and it does have survivabilty with Light Screen invested. I only mentioned Hyper Beam in order to show what an NU can do :P


I might remove Plume, as this is Tuff's time to shine, in place of Starmie.

Whoops, i forgot to mention that CB T-Tar can be outpredicted with steelix to come in on stone edges , forgot about him XP. Pursuit still hurts it ...alot though.

DD Taunt Tat is still a problem though, im not sure how well steelix can take DD EQ's though, so meh....

Life Orb could be used on Typhlosion aswell, if you want more versatility when passing it speed.

 

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I like the team, but I think Eruption and Overheat should be used. Flamethrower is meh.

If you really wanna get rid of Plume for Starmie, it's a good idea considering you have no water and barely any Ice type attacks (if you do add the HP Ice and Ice Punch then your ice is covered)

 

[silver%]

mixed sweepers annoy this team *cough mixape* er em...but yea you may want to swap something for a ghost or bulky water type

i see three fire weakness two fighting weakness

btw luv plums ev/moveset....if only it could seed(looks into it)

and yes eruption on scrafphlosion and flame thrower too

 

[Anti]

Scrap Wigglytuff.

:)

Before you kill me...that was a joke...

And yeah, I'd go for the first EV spread on that...Wigglytuff doesn't need much HP.

 

[sims796]

mixed sweepers annoy this team *cough mixape* er em...but yea you may want to swap something for a ghost or bulky water type

i see three fire weakness two fighting weakness

btw luv plums ev/moveset....if only it could seed(looks into it)

and yes eruption on scrafphlosion and flame thrower too

Mix sweepers fall to Light Screen, Ursarang, etc.

Three fire & two fighting doesn't mean shark. Unless you mean Nape, who falls to Rang & Starmie.

Yes it can Seed, but I must return to NY to get it.

 

[Anti]

Steelix...I don't know why people put Stone Edge on it. Or any wall for that matter...

Anyways, Steelix will want max HP for sure. The rest of the EVs should be devoted to Atk and SDef, but go ahead and throw a little Def in there if you feel it's necessary.

Assuming Toxic over Stone Edge, the set is fine.

 

[sims796]

Whatever you say. I don't use Steelix, but feel like trying anyway. So I'll try Toxic.

 

[Walrein]

Ninjask looks fine.

Wigglytuff? What have you did to my little bunny :( ? Use this:
Wigglytuff@Leftovers
Bold/Calm nature
252 EV HP/100 SpD/100 Def/58 SpA
~Hyper Voice/Focus Blast
~Charm/Snatch
~Shadow Ball
~Wish
Stealing even 1 Calm Mind will make it much more solid.

Vileplume isn't good, use Venomoth insted:
Venomoth@Choice Specs
Timid nature, Tinted Lens trait
252 EV Spe/252 SpA/6 Def
~Psychic
~Sludge Bomb
~Signal Beam
~Energy Ball
It's NU, so don't come to me with comments of "it's too weak".

Usaring looks good, I liked the trick of Flame Orb+Guts+Facade.

Same of Steelix

Typlosion looks good.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Ninjask looks fine.

Wigglytuff? What have you did to my little bunny :( ? Use this:
Wigglytuff@Leftovers
Bold/Calm nature
252 EV HP/100 SpD/100 Def/58 SpA
~Hyper Voice/Focus Blast
~Charm/Snatch
~Shadow Ball
~Wish
Stealing even 1 Calm Mind will make it much more solid.

Vileplume isn't good, use Venomoth insted:
Venomoth@Choice Specs
Timid nature, Tinted Lens trait
252 EV Spe/252 SpA/6 Def
~Psychic
~Sludge Bomb
~Signal Beam
~Energy Ball
It's NU, so don't come to me with comments of "it's too weak".

Usaring looks good, I liked the trick of Flame Orb+Guts+Facade.

Same of Steelix

Typlosion looks good.

Vileplume is defensive, Venomoth is not. He wants a cleric and team supporter so Venomoth isnt what hes looking for.

 

[sims796]

Who the hell said that Moth is NU? Are you high? Sick?

Plume is in no way NU. Vileplume isn't good? Maybe you shouldn't be giving any advice at all. Whatsoever. Not until you learn more about this game. None of his stats, other than speed, is under 80. Oh, his HP is a very workable 75. Only killing point is his movepool. But even THAT doesn't matter.

Lets see, acess to all forms of status, Aromatherapy, Subseeding, capable of Sunnybeaming woth Chlorophyll, nice defensive typing, hell he even has Charm & Tickle. He is in no way "not very good". I really lose it when people starts spewing out nonsense, and when they especially calling it an NU with no real proof. And Moth is in no way an NU either.

As for that Tuff set, that all assumes it SURVIVES to steal a CM. It certainly isn't hurting anything with her offenses, so I won't waste much time on that. She needs some sort of boost to her defense, so Reflect/Light Screen she gets.

 

[Walrein]

Who the hell said that Moth is NU? Are you high? Sick?

Plume is in no way NU. Vileplume isn't good? Maybe you shouldn't be giving any advice at all. Whatsoever. Not until you learn more about this game. None of his stats, other than speed, is under 80. Oh, his HP is a very workable 75. Only killing point is his movepool. But even THAT doesn't matter.

Lets see, acess to all forms of status, Aromatherapy, Subseeding, capable of Sunnybeaming woth Chlorophyll, nice defensive typing, hell he even has Charm & Tickle. He is in no way "not very good". I really lose it when people starts spewing out nonsense, and when they especially calling it an NU with no real proof. And Moth is in no way an NU either.

As for that Tuff set, that all assumes it SURVIVES to steal a CM. It certainly isn't hurting anything with her offenses, so I won't waste much time on that. She needs some sort of boost to her defense, so Reflect/Light Screen she gets.

If it can survive to Focus Punch, it can steal a CM.

 

[sims796]

Who's Focus Punch? With max HP & DEF AND Reflect up? And that's a-hoopin' they even have CM.

Or are you saying it used FP? Why would it use it outside of UU?

 

[Walrein]

Who's Focus Punch? With max HP & DEF AND Reflect up? And that's a-hoopin' they even have CM.

Or are you saying it used FP? Why would it use it outside of UU?

I already did, and it worked out great. Now, in the 4th generation, it will only be better:
Wigglytuff@Leftovers
Adamant nature
252 EV HP/100 SpD/100 Def/58 Atk
~Substitude
~Focus Punch
~Fling
~Wish

 

[sims796]

That set is even worse. Please, just stop posting here. Fling? Why would she Fling Leftovers? Wigglytuff is in no way an offensive threat, stop trying to use it as such. You need much help in compettitive battling, at least more to try & give me advice. Those were pretty shabby sets. She can't survive much, and she REALLY won't hit anything hard outside of UU. I don't know who you were battling, but trying to use base 70 ATK for sweeping is pathetic.

Now, can I get some REAL help?

 

[ABYAY]

UBER PLUME! lol

Typh can go Specs OR Life Orb if you're running with Ninjask passes. Swords Dance would seem less useful unless they're going to Unsaring as well, who'd love some passes his way.

Steelix is fun. I consider him decently capable of running CB set with...Gyro Ball, Earthquake, Stone Edge, and Ice Fang/Whatever Fang, but physical walling is probably much better. His lack of a recovery move hurts him though, but 450+ defense = amazing.

I just know something has to be dropped for Hypno, or something else that sponges special attacks exceptionally well.

 

[sims796]

You are absolutley right. I spent so much time making Wigglytuff useful in OU, I forgot to actually make a TEAM. I'll lose Plume for a SP.Wall, but I'm not sure what.

 

[ABYAY]

the team seems pretty solid with Hypno or Grumpig (Grumpig would love Thick Fat obviously, and Insomnia Hypno means it can absorb sleep like nothing.). Ghost, Bug, and Dark hit Psychic types, and Unsaring absorbs Ghost, Bug is controlled by Steelix, and Dark is also absorbed by Steelix (barring Dark Pulse, but even then.) However, Ghost/Fighting combinations hurt you still. Maybe CM Hypno? (If it even has a moveset)