Weavile Counter

[Shiraishi]

I think it's safe to say that a Gyro Ball Shuckle would smash a Weavile.

Coming off Shuckle's 10 base attack? I don't think so.

 

[Sora_8920]

Coming off Shuckle's 10 base attack? I don't think so.

Exactly. Maybe something like a Steelix would do good, but no Shuckle. x.x

 

[Kuro]

Good point. I forgot to add Attack into the calculation. >_< Steelix and Forry would be better, then.

 

[Dark Azelf]

I think it's safe to say that a Gyro Ball Shuckle would smash a Weavile.

I hope that was a joke lol Have you seen Shuckles base attack lol XD

Gryo Ball Torkoal huh? Nice, I could try for a set in a sec. *sighs of relief* (finally back to no arguments)

Bad hippos = Bad Hippowdons. (well I can't necessarily say they were bad cuz I never fought one outside of Ooka's)

~desu Saba~

Torkoal really doesnt need Gyro Ball and curse does nothing good for it, you still get pwned by Earthquake. Also, you get walled by everything and get phazed by and embarrassed by (a fire type getting showed up by a steel type lol) skarmory etc.

Torkoal@Leftovers
252 hp / 252 def / 6 sp.att
Relaxed Nature
- Will-o-wisp
- Lava Plume / Overheat
- Stealth Rock / Toxic / Yawn
- Rapid Spin / Rest


Will-o-wisp and Lava Plume/Overheat cripple weavile.

Stealth Rock Prevent weavile from coming back in again.

Yawn prevents any heatran switch ins.

Toxic wears down bulky waters who will often come in on this.

Rapid Spin helps its walling ability as it gets 25% of its health chipped off by stealth rock.

Rest is also good if used in conjunction with a cleric.

 

[.Aero]

Should I add Torkoal to the list?

I got's an idea. How bout we see if a Butterfree could work. Bug>Dark! xD

What Item should be given to the Torkoal though?

~desu Saba~

 

[Sora_8920]

Should I add Torkoal to the list?

I got's an idea. How bout we see if a Butterfree could work. Bug>Dark! xD

What Item should be given to the Torkoal though?

~desu Saba~

Eh? No. Butterfree fails. And it still can't compare to the Tier OU by far, plus Weavile outspedda and kills with Ice Punch.

 

[.Aero]

Torkoal really doesnt need Gyro Ball and curse does nothing good for it, you still get pwned by Earthquake. Also, you get walled by everything and get phazed by and embarrassed by (a fire type getting showed up by a steel type lol) skarmory etc.

*points to topic title* We're talking about Weavile Counters...not Skarmory counters.

Butterfree was a joke. thus the XD

*deletes previous post to stop double post*

~desu Saba~

 

[Dark Azelf]

Should I add Torkoal to the list?

I got's an idea. How bout we see if a Butterfree could work. Bug>Dark! xD

What Item should be given to the Torkoal though?

~desu Saba~

I think so as weavile cannot do squat to it and Torkoal can threaten to will-o-wisp or Lava Plume the hell out of it.

Leftovers on Torkoal. Always

EDIT: I meant why would you pass up on Lava Plume for Gyro Ball ??

 

[Shiraishi]

Butterfree=NO. Leftovers, me thinks.

 

[GeneralGuy]

Rhyperior counters Weaville easily.

 

[.Aero]

Butterfree=NO. Leftovers, me thinks.

Again, Butterfree was a joke.

Give a set Guy. Should I add my set or Dark Azelf's for the Counter?

~desu saba~

 

[GeneralGuy]

Rhyperior@Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Relaxed
EV Spread: 252 HP/252 Def
Moveset:
-Swords Dance
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Megahorn

With this set, he can so many hits from a max attack Weaville, it's amazing.

 

[Syaoran]

Wow, I can't believe how annoyed this topic gets me. Hippowdon is NOT a Weavile counter.

If you're saying the calculations are a different thing then the game itself, then it only proves me that you have no idea what you're talking about. The calculations provide the most solid facts - the worst and best scenerio (minimum and maximum damage).


AGAIN I'll repeat:
* Damage calcs from jolly 252 Atk Weavile Ice Punch on impish Hippowdon 252 HP/Def:
Life Orb: 47% - 55%
Choice Band: 54% - 64% (guaranteed 2HKO)
Swords Dance + Life Orb: 94% - 111%

* Hippowdon can 1HKO Weavile if you invest Atk EV's in it. But then it means you lack Def or HP EV's, so it's a lot easier for Weavile to 2HKO it.
* Testing starters Weavile VS Hippowdon does not apply to COUNTERING, since you're not switching Hippowdon on Weavile. Yeah, Hippowdon can stand a chance against Weavile if no switching in has occurred (especially if it's an offensive Hippo), and the calculations show this. But surviving with so little HP on Hippowdon won't get you anywhere, and is not considered countering.
* Don't start arguing "but we're just looking for pokemon who stand a chance against Weavile", because relying on luck (IE minimal damage) shows how unprofessional you are. Not to mention the thread title is "Weavile Counter".
* Hippowdon should NEVER switch on Weavile, not matter which set he runs (defensive or offensive). The same thing applies to Weavile, as it shouldn't switch on Hippowdon.

 

[.Aero]

* Hippowdon can 1HKO Weavile if you invest Atk EV's in it. But then it means you lack Def or HP EV's, so it's a lot easier for Weavile to 2HKO it.

Ooka's Hippo doesn't listen to that then. He can survive 2 Ice Punches and OHKO with an Earthquake.

* Testing starters Weavile VS Hippowdon does not apply to COUNTERING, since you're not switching Hippowdon on Weavile. Yeah, Hippowdon can stand a chance against Weavile if no switching in has occurred (especially if it's an offensive Hippo), and the calculations show this. But surviving with so little HP on Hippowdon won't get you anywhere, and is not considered countering.

In the test it wouldn't have mattered if he switched in or not. If the Weavile only did 1/3 damage, it could easily take another punch. Thus working as a counter switching in.
Scenerio:
Weavile user chooses Ice Punch
Hippo user switches Hippo in
Weavile hits Ice Punch -1/3 Hippo health
Hippo chooses EQ
Weavile chooses Ice Punch
Weavile goes first -1/3 Hippo health
Hippo hits EQ, OHKO.
There a hippo is a counter.

* Don't start arguing "but we're just looking for pokemon who stand a chance against Weavile", because relying on luck (IE minimal damage) shows how unprofessional you are. Not to mention the thread title is "Weavile Counter".

As stated above, he works as a counter if you set him like Ooka did.

* Hippowdon should NEVER switch on Weavile, not matter which set he runs (defensive or offensive). The same thing applies to Weavile, as it shouldn't switch on Hippowdon.

Again, same as second part.

~desu Saba~

 

[Syaoran]

Ooka's Hippo doesn't listen to that then. He can survive 2 Ice Punches and OHKO with an Earthquake.

Lol no. Idk what Weavile he faced, but it probably was a really bad one. And stop assuming all Weavile are Focus Sash'd.


You keep ignoring the calcs and choose to rely on someone's story. I provided calcs to remove all doubt, it's not my problem if you believe it or not, and I don't plan on beating a dead horse here. I will gladly take this to Shoddy and see if his Hippowdon wins against my Expert Belt / Life Orb / Choice Band Weavile, AFTER a switch in.

 

[Sora_8920]

I'll agree with Syaoran, not all Weavile's are sashed. some run Choice Band. IMO.

 

[.Aero]

I'm not speaking sash...I actually don't really care about items that much...I sound like a stupid person I know, but I don't. Therefore I'm not assuming. So what exaclty does a CB do? And the Life Orb? (I know sorta, but not completely)

P.S. Should I make "The Official Counter Thread" right now?

~desu Saba~

 

[Sora_8920]

I'm not speaking sash...I actually don't really care about items that much...I sound like a stupid person I know, but I don't. Therefore I'm not assuming. So what exaclty does a CB do? And the Life Orb? (I know sorta, but not completely)

P.S. Should I make "The Official Counter Thread" right now?

~desu Saba~

I think Choice Band raises the power by 1.5%. I know, you may be thinking "That's a little amount." But really, there's a whole list of them. CBMence (Choice Band Salamence), CBTar (Choice Band Tyranitar), ect. Can't be bothered to list them all...

 

[.Aero]

I know it's not a small ammount, depending on the base attack. So it's like an extra STAB?

Let me try some calculations. xD Although I won't be able to get defenses in there.

Ice Punch: 75 * 1.5 = 112.5 * 1.5 = 168.75 * 2 = 337.5 So that's it's base attack not counting in Attack Stat and Defense Stat.

How do you get solid lines in between things on posts?

~desu Saba~

 

[Kayke™]

Weavile is far too fragile to run CB'd in most cases. I'm guessing the ratio of FS Weavile to CB Weavile is 70% to 30%. (From my experience that is. Let's just put it this way, I've killed LOTS of Weavile.)

I'm not saying CB Weavile is bad, 'cause it isn't. It's just a bit risky.