Well im ready for more yelling i mean uh... advice

[evilcheese]

well your nutbag is back here yes the horrible team maker is back. my team was old so i need a new one. i probably didnt choose very well but hey thats me. so your probably gonna want to replace most of my pokemon.

Metagross@ Focus Sash/ Leftovers
Adamant
Clear Body
252 Atk/ 96 Spd/ 100 HP/ 62 Def
-Rock Polish/ Agility
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake/ Thunder Punch
-Ice Punch/ Thunder Punch

not the best gross im thinking of replaing for something faster.

Blastoise@ Leftovers
Calm
Torrent
252 HP/ 200 SDef/ 56 Def
-Rapid Spin
-Surf
-Toxic
-Ice Beam

not the best evs so yeah correct please

Electivire@ Expert Belt
Lonely
Motor Drive
252 Atk/ 80 SAtk/ 176 Spd
-Thunderbolt
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch
-Cross Chop

standard im sure

Wezzing@ Leftovers
Bold
Levitate
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 SDef
-Wow
-Thunderbolt
-Pain Split
-Explosion

i wasnt sure on what to put in the last slot sludge bomb?

Claydol@ Leftovers
Relaxed
Levitate
252 HP/ 136 Def/ SDef
-Reflect
-Stealth Rock
-Ice Beam
-Eathquake

i know to eligable spinners

Heatran@ Choice Specs
Modest
Flash Fire
32 HP/ 252 SAtk/ 224 Spd
-Flamethrower
-Earth Power
-Explosion/ HP [grass]

all i need to outrun cbcross.

yes i know bad lead no cleric. im open for any advice replacing pokemon or diffrent evs

 

[Anti]

well your nutbag is back here yes the horrible team maker is back. my team was old so i need a new one. i probably didnt choose very well but hey thats me. so your probably gonna want to replace most of my pokemon.

Metagross@ Focus Sash/ Leftovers
Adamant
Clear Body
252 Atk/ 96 Spd/ 100 HP/ 62 Def
-Rock Polish/ Agility
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake/ Thunder Punch
-Ice Punch/ Thunder Punch

not the best gross im thinking of replaing for something faster.

Well no wonder why, you're leading with Agiligross >.> Focus sash is a big no-no on something with 130 base Defense. this team has nowhere close to the proper support for this thing, I'd either run a different set or scrap it.

Blastoise@ Leftovers
Calm
Torrent
252 HP/ 200 SDef/ 56 Def
-Rapid Spin
-Surf
-Toxic
-Ice Beam

not the best evs so yeah correct please

Meh, probably needs a way to recover.

Electivire@ Expert Belt
Lonely
Motor Drive
252 Atk/ 80 SAtk/ 176 Spd
-Thunderbolt
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch
-Cross Chop

standard im sure

If it was Electivire would be UU. In other words, run the real Mixed Electivire (Fthrower/Tbolt/CC/HP Ice) or physical Vire.

Wezzing@ Leftovers
Bold
Levitate
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 SDef
-Wow
-Thunderbolt
-Pain Split
-Flamethrower

i wasnt sure on what to put in the last slot sludge bomb?

Pain Split and Explosion on the same set probably isn't helping.

Claydol@ Leftovers
Relaxed
Levitate
252 HP/ 136 Def/ SDef
-Reflect
-Stealth Rock
-Ice Beam
-Eathquake

i know to eligable spinners

The above sentence...baffles me. Either way, it's probably fine, but none of your walls can heal.

Heatran@ Choice Specs
Modest
Flash Fire
32 HP/ 252 SAtk/ 224 Spd
-Flamethrower
-Earth Power
-Explosion/ HP [grass]

all i need to outrun cbcross.

That won't be happening compadre :0 HP Electric is probably more useful than HP Grass.

yes i know bad lead no cleric. im open for any advice replacing pokemon or diffrent evs

The real problem is that this team can't take any repeated hits, even those it takes very well. This is because your walls can't heal. Blastoise, Claydol...they can't recover off damage. Weezing's recovery is all a bit shaky, and status ruins it.

Considering you don't have a cleric, I would replace Blastoise with Milotic. It takes status extremely well and Claydol can spin for you (over SR). It can also learn Recover.

With Metagross, most of your basic physical walling need are about covered, so I would urge you to get a better special wall than Claydol or Blastoise. Snorlax, Articuno, Regice, Blissey, Cresselia...a lot of pokemon work. Pick whichever you like.

I would replace Vire for your special wall, it's a dead weight here in all honesty and you need a special wall a lot.

Also, I'm quite worried about Dugtrio, who traps and kills half of your team. With that, I suggest choosing a special wall that isn't totally owned by it.

 

[Archer]

well your nutbag is back here yes the horrible team maker is back. my team was old so i need a new one. i probably didnt choose very well but hey thats me. so your probably gonna want to replace most of my pokemon.

Metagross@ Focus Sash/ Leftovers
Adamant
Clear Body
252 Atk/ 96 Spd/ 100 HP/ 62 Def
-Rock Polish/ Agility Rock Slide
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake/ Thunder Punch
-Ice Punch/ Thunder Punch

not the best gross im thinking of replaing for something faster.
Run CB/CS if you intend to keep him as lead.

Blastoise@ Leftovers
Calm
Torrent
252 HP/ 200 SDef/ 56 Def
-Rapid Spin
-Surf
-Toxic
-Ice Beam

not the best evs so yeah correct please
Consider Haze or just changing altogether. You don't seem to need a Spinner with the current team.

Electivire@ Expert Belt
Lonely
Motor Drive
252 Atk/ 80 SAtk/ 176 Spd
-Thunderbolt
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch
-Cross Chop

standard im sure
Actually, Anti, I ran this for a while and it only ever ran into problems with Swampert and Hippowdon. I think I put HP [Grass] over Ice Punch and it worked.
Mind you, I had Skarm and Vaporeon for it to switch from. You only have Blastoise.

Wezzing@ Leftovers
Bold
Levitate
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 SDef
-Wow
-Thunderbolt
-Pain Split /Rest
-Explosion

i wasnt sure on what to put in the last slot sludge bomb?
Please, not Sludge Bomb. Explosion is fine, if not, HP ICE? Pain Split is less effective if you are draining health with WoW.

Claydol@ Leftovers
Relaxed
Levitate
252 HP/ 136 Def/ SDef
-Reflect
-Stealth Rock
-Ice Beam
-Eathquake

i know, two eligible spinners...
Considering you have no SR weaknesses(3 resist), 4 Immunities to Tox Spikes, and nothing particularly fragile, I doubt you even need any. Just get a Cleric instead.

Heatran@ Choice Specs
Modest
Flash Fire
32 HP/ 252 SAtk/ 224 Spd
-Flamethrower
-Earth Power
-Explosion/
- HP [grass]

all i need to outrun cbcross.
Not bad. You only had 3 moves.
yes i know bad lead no cleric. im open for any advice replacing pokemon or diffrent evs

> Give Gross a Choice Item
> I think Blastoise has to go. (Suicune?)
> Try my suggestion with Vire
> Weezing actually fits nicely
> Claydol needs to find a useful job or leave (Cressy?/Articuno?)
> Heatran isn't bad.

You might want to redo the whole thing.

 

[Anti]

That Vire is walled by more than that. Forretress, Bronzong, Donphan, Weezing...they all hammer that Electivire VERY easily. What's ironic is that CB Thunderpunch 2HKOs Skarmory, that's a much better answer than a below average mixed set IMO. My real issue is that it still can't help this team much...it just doesn't. Even better versions don't help...Vire just isn't made for this team.

Also, I would agree with Archer that a spinner actually isn't as necessary for this team as it is on others. Your team lols at Stealth Rock. Still, you'll want to put in a lot more healing options, or sweepers of all kinds will walk over this team.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Problem with Physical vire, is that it has no stat up move to actually sweep, i sometimes use Screech or Meditate to suffice. It causes switches so you get plenty of opportunities to use it, it works ok, and beats Cressy, but dont expect to be "Zomg metagame raep !111", It still has problems with some of the more defensive ground pokemon though. Ill run some calcs for you all to see what Screech ice Punch does on Donphan, Hippowdon etc.

 

[evilcheese]

ok since my team doesnt work very well and i need a good special wall wishbliss? or anything that could do well with wish support.

im also thinkin of droppin vire and metagross or just vire. i need a better lead.

 

[Jimmyray]

Try Tauntrados as your lead, it's awesome.

 

[Anti]

Try Tauntrados as your lead, it's awesome.

I strongly disagree, Gyarados can't sweep in the early game. All it does IMO is let your opponent know that they should be sure their Gyarados counter doesn't die, and it can't even sweep. IMO it is THE most overrated lead in today's metagame and is one of the worst in general.

You don't have many good leads on this team though, so my advice is just to use what you like best for it.

 

[Archer]

HypnoGar could make a nice lead. You really need some status support if you expect those walls to survive. WishBliss with Heal Bell/Aromatherapy would be good and maybe if you can fit in a PHazer. Donphan w/roar? Or you can just give Weezing Haze.

Quick Team Analysis
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> Phys Sweeper - CBGross{Lead}
> Spec Sweeper - Heatran
> Phys Wall - Weezing {Hazer?}
> Spec Wall - Blissey {Wish and Cleric}
> Mixed Wall - Claydol {Spinner/Reflect}
> Physical Tank - Donphan {PHazer?}

@Anti - Though I should mention that CB Blissey's Double-Edge, with max damage, can OHKO Dugtrio. Lol.

EDIT: Check my post count - Two Thirds Evil...

 

[Anti]

Heal Bell/Aromatherapy with Wish on Blissey is illegal I'm afraid :(

 

[evilcheese]

is nape a good lead?

i think ill replace blastoise with milotic or something can take a special hit.

 

[ΜσdαΜϑrdεrεr]

Claydol @Leftovers
Impish, Levitate
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 Atk
-Power Trick
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Explosion / Substitute / Stealth Rock

Claydol is the second bulkiest user of Power Trick, after Shuckle. What Claydol offers over Shuckle is mainly a more reasonable Spd and the ability to survive more than five minutes after using Power Trick.

Earthquake and Stone Edge give it a fair level of type coverage, and the fact that Power Trick switches your actual Atk and Def stat means you can push everything you've got into Def and tank to a certain degree if the situation calls for it, but what really makes this set work is sheer surprise. Claydol tends to draw in Pokemon like Metagross and Tyranitar in OU, and Swellow and Absol in UU. While Claydol can take a Pursuit with a base power of 40, none of those Pokemon like a Power Tricked Earthquake or Stone Edge to the face.

Claydol has a number of options for the last slot. Substitute is the most practical, as it'll prevent opponents from using Will o Wisp or Hypnosis on Claydol, and might protect him from an otherwise fatal special attack. Stealth Rock is useful mainly because it makes the opponent think you're running a support set, while Explosion earns a mention for being an extremely powerful move of last resort.