6th Gen What effects might these games have on the series' timeline?

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    This is something that occurred to me while I was reading some of Marriland's tweets off his personal account (@ProfWaffles). Considering that they're full-on remakes and not sequels, what might go about expanding the Hoenn Dex?

    For that matter, if they are remakes, they could contradict a lot of things. Not sure how many of you remember this, but in Black 2 and White 2, an ex-Team Magma and Team Aqua grunt can be found in a house in Icirrus City that's only accessible in the winter, talking about the events of the Hoenn games and that they realize they would have been catastrophic. What if Hoenn took place after those games did? Could this all be a twist in the timeline?

    What do you think these games might do to the timeline if they're nothing more than remakes? Discuss.
     
    They're remakes, so I think they will stay in their current timeline place. I think the only thing they are contradicting is what Professor Sycamore says about Mega Evolution being seen only in Kalos.

    Though he also considers the possibility that the reason for Mega Evolution being seen only in Kalos may be the region's legendary Pokémon, which are capable of giving and taking life. Perhaps in Hoenn Mega Evolution will be linked to the Cave of Origin and Mt. Pyre, which are supposedly the places where all life begins and ends, respectively.

    By the way, those two places may also be important for Primal Reversion, which is supposed to be related to Mega Evolution, since one holds the Orbs that becalmed and later awakened Groudon and Kyogre, and the other is where we encounter those Pokémon in their original versions. Maybe Hoenn wil have access to Mega Evolution thanks to Primal Reversion.
     
    Nothing. They can just simply retcon the things that were previously mentioned, and add it in the games. They did that with the Dark/Steel types in Gen 3.
     
    Leaf Magics said:
    They're remakes, so I think they will stay in their current timeline place. I think the only thing they are contradicting is what Professor Sycamore says about Mega Evolution being seen only in Kalos.

    Though he also considers the possibility that the reason for Mega Evolution being seen only in Kalos may be the region's legendary Pokémon, which are capable of giving and taking life. Perhaps in Hoenn Mega Evolution will be linked to the Cave of Origin and Mt. Pyre, which are supposedly the places where all life begins and ends, respectively.

    By the way, those two places may also be important for Primal Reversion, which is supposed to be related to Mega Evolution, since one holds the Orbs that becalmed and later awakened Groudon and Kyogre, and the other is where we encounter those Pokémon in their original versions. Maybe Hoenn wil have access to Mega Evolution thanks to Primal Reversion.
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    This. Plus in RSE they say Mt. Pyre and Origin Cave are connected. I used to assume as a 10 year old that it meant physically (gah the hours I spent trying to find a link between the two...). But now I think it was referring to the flow of energy (souls maybe) in the region and the legends.
     
    This game will take place around the same time as XY . Despite what anyone says these aren't full straight up remakes many things are added so it's obviously going to be retcon as taking place near the same time as XY
     
    MrGriszell said:
    This game will take place around the same time as XY . Despite what anyone says these aren't full straight up remakes many things are added so it's obviously going to be retcon as taking place near the same time as XY
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    Even if they added things I doubt they'll retcon the time line for these games.
     
    Game Freak can retcon a lot of gameplay-related things into these games, such as Mega Evolutions, but to completely change its place in the timeline doesn't seem like something they would do. If anything, they'll probably add some hints as to where it is precisely in the timeline (for instance, is it happening at the same time as RGBY/FRLG, or does it happen slightly after its events?). It seems unlikely that they would retcon story elements that goes against what NPCs talk about in other games (like the ex-Magma and Aqua Grunts in Unova, as Stargazer mentions).
     
    OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire said:
    And these desoite retcons the time line remains the same.
    Not sure why people want remakes to take place at the same time as the orignal pair of the new generation.
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    And most of the important retcons happen in remakes, and they mostly affect only the remade games. I consider that things like the ex- Aqua and Magma grunts in B2W2 to be story developments or simply references to other regions, rather than retcons.
     
    Leaf Magics said:
    And most of the important retcons happen in remakes, and they mostly affect only the remade games. I consider that things like the ex- Aqua and Magma grunts in B2W2 to be story developments or simply references to other regions, rather than retcons.
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    The Aqua and Magma grunts being B2W2 can't be considered a retcon, unless ORAS retcons the time line, but it'll be due to ORAS rather than B2W2's fault.
     
    Leaf Magics said:
    I think you just repeated what I said. Were you agreeing?
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    Yeah, I was a bit confused though if that was what you meant so I decided to repeat it to make sure xD.

    The official site mentions that ORAS will dive deeper into the secrets of Mega Evolution. Hopefully 'Z' will retcon the XY story to add what we unearth in the remakes taking place years before.
     
    Leaf Magics said:
    They're remakes, so I think they will stay in their current timeline place. I think the only thing they are contradicting is what Professor Sycamore says about Mega Evolution being seen only in Kalos..
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    They contradicted that before these games were even announced with Mr. Fuji.
     
    I think the timeline is stupid. Who really cares if they mess up the timeline? The game is meant for fun. Clearly gf doesn't care, as long as they are making money. Besides, from what I've heard people say about the timeline, X and Y are not on them...
     
    Flamebot said:
    I think the timeline is stupid. Who really cares if they mess up the timeline? The game is meant for fun. Clearly gf doesn't care, as long as they are making money. Besides, from what I've heard people say about the timeline, X and Y are not on them...
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    According to someone working at GF RGBYFrLg=RSE and three years later GSCHgSs=DPP and some years later BW followed by two years B2W2=XY. So XY take place at the same time as the Unova sequels.
    The time line's main purpose imo is to keep the lore of the over arching games consistent. Other than that it probably has little meaning feature wise.
     
    Flamebot said:
    I think the timeline is stupid. Who really cares if they mess up the timeline? The game is meant for fun. Clearly gf doesn't care, as long as they are making money. Besides, from what I've heard people say about the timeline, X and Y are not on them...
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    According to some Gamefreak employee, XY happens at the same time period as BW2.

    And I agree. The timeline isn't all that important to Gamefreak. Honestly I think what drove Gamefreak to remake Ruby and Sapphire were requests. Development could have started at the moment when Junichi Masuda replied RSremake on twitter about the possibility years ago (pic below).

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    Take a look at recent stuff before ORAS were announced. The "future plans" picture? Look at all of the comments. More demand = more money. Why not.

    However, I don't think the timeline is stupid. It actually provides some sort of flow, continuity.
     
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    Jakeremix said:
    They contradicted that before these games were even announced with Mr. Fuji.
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    I'm confused about what you're talking about? o.o
    Oh, wait! Are you referring to Pokemon Origins? If you are, then it's not really a contradiction. No one saw the fight between Mewtwo and Charizard so it could still be true that no one had seen Megaevolution outside of Kalos. We know legends of it had existed thanks to Gurkinn.
    Plus I'm not sure if the Origins is meant to be canon or not?
     
    cyanosis said:
    I'm confused about what you're talking about? o.o
    Oh, wait! Are you referring to Pokemon Origins? If you are, then it's not really a contradiction. No one saw the fight between Mewtwo and Charizard so it could still be true that no one had seen Megaevolution outside of Kalos. We know legends of it had existed thanks to Gurkinn.
    Plus I'm not sure if the Origins is meant to be canon or not?
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    I don't think that anime was canon to the games.

    In XY they said it was recently uncovered, but considering the appearance of the Tower of Mastery it looks old. So it's more like it was rediscovered recently. Speaking about recently Y's entry for Rayquaza irc says that it wasn't seen until recently. So perhaps it was rediscovered at the same time as in Kalos. The only thing they're contradicting is that it's Kalos only, but 'Z' will likely fix that up for the Kalos games too.
     
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