What's wrong with my pokemon team? Sweepers just eat through it, but defen

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    I just made a very defensive team, with two variations (I just switched one pokemon). First off, here is my team:

    Forretress @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Atk
    Sassy nature (+SpD, -Spe)
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Spikes
    - Rapid Spin
    - Payback

    Heatran @ Leftovers
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 244 HP / 220 Spe / 32 SpA / 12 SpD
    Calm nature (+SpD, -Atk)
    - Substitute
    - Torment
    - Protect
    - Lava Plume

    Breloom @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 236 HP / 248 Def / 24 Spe
    Impish nature (+Def, -SpA)
    - Substitute
    - Leech Seed
    - Focus Punch
    - Spore

    Zapdos @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 248 HP / 184 SpD / 76 Spe
    Timid nature (+Spe, -Atk)
    - Substitute
    - Roost
    - Thunderbolt
    - Toxic

    -=-= After this point, the team becomes experimental support pokemon. This needs changing.=-=-

    Blissey @ Leftovers
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
    Calm nature (+SpD, -Atk)
    - Softboiled
    - Aromatherapy
    - Toxic
    - Flamethrower

    Here comes in the variations. Basically, it's either Vaporeon or Steelix

    Vaporeon @ Leftovers
    Ability: Water Absorb
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Scald
    - Roar

    Steelix @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 SpD
    Relaxed nature (+Def, -Sp)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earthquake
    - Gyro Ball
    - Roar

    Whenever I try to use this team, it works amazingly /sometimes/. Other times, it just dies on the field. The pattern I've noticed is that whenever a team pulls a sweeper, mine cripples.

    What do you guys think I should do to change it?
     
    Right now your team has a weakness to Fighting types. Zapdos resists fighting type moves, but its defense isn't that great. A supportive Sylveon would be a good addition to your team:

    Sylveon @ Leftovers
    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Pixilate
    EV's: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    -Wish
    -Protect
    -Moonblast
    -Aromatherapy
     
    You might need a sweeper of your own.

    Forretress just doesn't seem to cut it this gen because of how it's easy setup bait. Use Ferrothorn instead:
    -Leech Seed
    -Protect
    -Power Whip/Gyro Ball
    -Stealth Rock/Thunder Wave/Gyro Ball
    Nature: Relaxed/Impish
    EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Iron Barbs

    or
    -Stealth Rock/Spikes
    -Leech Seed
    -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave
    -Power Whip/Protect
    Nature: Relaxed
    EVs: 252 HP/48 Def/208 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Iron Barbs

    Zapdos should use Defog to clear away opposing hazards (including yours, sadly):
    -Thunderbolt
    -Roost
    -Defog
    -Heat Wave/Toxic/U-turn
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 248 HP/172 Def/68 SAtk/16 Spe
    Item: Leftovers

    Don't bother with Steelix at all. Mega Aggron does what it can do better thanks to Filter:
    -Stealth Rock
    -Heavy Slam/Iron Head
    -Thunder Wave/Ice Punch
    -Earthquake/Rock Slide
    Nature: Relaxed
    EVs: 252 HP/16 Def/240 SDef
    Item: Aggronite
    Ability: Sturdy

    or
    -Rest
    -Sleep Talk
    -Heavy Slam/Iron Head
    -Earthquake/Ice Punch
    Nature: Relaxed
    EVs: 252 HP/16 Def/240 SDef
    Item: Aggronite
    Ability: Sturdy

    Offensive Pokemon to consider include Azumarill and Goodra:
    -Waterfall
    -Aqua Jet
    -Play Rough
    -Superpower/Knock Off
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 164 HP/252 Atk/92 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Huge Power

    or
    -Belly Drum
    -Aqua Jet
    -Play Rough
    -Waterfall/Superpower
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Huge Power

    or
    -Aqua Jet
    -Play Rough
    -Power-Up Punch
    -Waterfall/Knock Off
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 16 HP/252 Atk/240 SDef
    Item: Assault Vest
    Ability: Huge Power

    Goodra:
    -Draco Meteor
    -Fire Blast
    -Thunderbolt/Earthquake
    -Dragon Tail/Earthquake
    Nature: Quiet/Sassy
    EVs: 248 HP/252 SAtk/8 SDef
    Item: Assault Vest
    Ability: Gooey/Sap Sipper

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Fire Blast
    -Thunderbolt
    -Focus Blast
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 248 HP/252 SAtk/8 SDef
    Item: Choice Specs
    Ability: Gooey/Sap Sipper
     
    Ok, so I decided to scrap Heatran and Forretres, and replace them with a good old SkarmBliss. I also replaced Steelix with Sylveon and added Azumarill.
    What stayed the same: Blissey (Change of moves), Brelloom, Zapdos (Change of moves)

    What changed: Skarmory (In replacement of Steelix/Vaporeon), Sylveon (In replacement of Heatran), Azumarill (In replacement of Forretres)

    This is the new team (I copy and pasted the moves from other places because I'm lazy)

    Skarmory @ Leftovers
    Ability: Keen Eye
    EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe
    Impish nature (+Def, -SpA)
    - Brave Bird
    - Roost
    - Spikes
    - Whirlwind

    Blissey @ Leftovers
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Seismic Toss
    - Toxic

    Breloom @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 236 HP / 248 Def / 24 Spe
    Impish nature (+Def, -SpA)
    - Substitute
    - Leech Seed
    - Focus Punch
    - Spore

    Zapdos @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 248 HP / 184 SpD / 76 Spe
    Timid nature (+Spe, -Atk)
    -Thunderbolt
    -Roost
    -Defog
    -Heat Wave/U-turn (I can't decide, but I'm leaning towards U-Turn)

    Azumarill @ Leftovers
    Ability: Huge Power
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SpA) (Moves may need changing)
    - Substitute
    - Focus Punch
    - Ice Punch
    - Aqua Jet

    Sylveon @ Leftovers
    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Pixilate
    EV's: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Moonblast
    - Yawn (Sylveon doesn't learn Aromatherapy, so I don't know what to put here)

    Note: I'd like to get you guys's input before I use this team, so what do you think?
     
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    SubPunch Azumarill isn't worth it because it takes prediction to use. And I hope you realize that Azumarill gained the Fairy type in Gen Vi, making it easier to deal with Dragon Pokemon by being immune to their STAB attacks and smacking them supereffectively with its own STAB move, Play Rough. Therefore, there's little reason to use Ice Punch. Refer to the above Azumarill sets I posted for much better alternatives.

    If Sylveon has Pixilate, it has to use Hyper Voice, as moves that are already Fairy type are unaffected. Pixilate only affects Normal moves, changing them to Fairy type and powering them up. However, Sylveon does learn Heal Bell, which does the same thing Aromatherapy does:
    -Wish
    -Protect
    -Hyper Voice
    -Heal Bell/Calm Mind
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/244 Def/12 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Pixilate
     
    Ok. I haven't gotten the Gen VI games yet, so no I didn't realise that Azumarill gained the fairy type. Also, I took your advice, and this is my new moveset for Sylveon:

    Sylveon @ Leftovers
    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Pixilate
    EV's: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Hyper Voice <-Does pixilate give this move STAB?
    - Heal Bell

    Also, I decided to change to your third set for Azumarill. I'm not familiar with Choice Band battling, and I may try belly drum later but it seems like it would require a lot of setup.

    Azumarill @ Assault Vest
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Huge Power
    EVs: 16 HP / 252 Atk / 240 SpD
    -Aqua Jet
    -Play Rough
    -Power-Up Punch
    -Waterfall

    What do you think? If anyone else has input, fire away.
     
    Ok. I haven't gotten the Gen VI games yet, so no I didn't realise that Azumarill gained the fairy type. Also, I took your advice, and this is my new moveset for Sylveon:

    Sylveon @ Leftovers
    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Pixilate
    EV's: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Hyper Voice <-Does pixilate give this move STAB?
    - Heal Bell

    Also, I decided to change to your third set for Azumarill. I'm not familiar with Choice Band battling, and I may try belly drum later but it seems like it would require a lot of setup.

    Azumarill @ Assault Vest
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Huge Power
    EVs: 16 HP / 252 Atk / 240 SpD
    -Aqua Jet
    -Play Rough
    -Power-Up Punch
    -Waterfall

    What do you think? If anyone else has input, fire away.
    Pixilate does indeed give Hyper Voice STAB for Sylveon.
     
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