4th Gen Which do you prefer?

4th Gen Matt

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    Do you prefer the games where there were no EVs and if you got a Pikachu to level 100 then it would have the same stats as another Pikachu at level 100? Or do you prefer the new EVs, where your speed stat rests upon how many Staravias you've slaughtered.

    Personally I prefer it when there were no EVs and I believe that I have some valid points. First off, I think the adding of EVs added a lot of unneeded complications to the game. Two Lv. 100 Garchomps go up against eachother. You would think that they both have an equal chance of winning but now with the adding of EVs, it comes down to who has the higher attack and speed stat. I really just think that EVs are not needed. I believe that the winner of the battle should be decided upon prediction and better movesets. I prefer Diamond to any other pokemon game, but I hate the adding of EVs. And yes, I do know that EVs have been around before Diamond.

    What are your thoughts on EVs. Please don't post just to flame, if your going to post, at least provide valid points.
     
    Yes and No.

    I see your point on how it should be up to move set and stuff, but adding Ev's creates an even bigger depth to that kind of stuff. If you both Ev your pokemon to the max. It will create that equalness again. But Ev's just make it a harder and more in depth game.

    Even if you dont Ev your pokemon, you stilll have a chance of winning a match with your knowledge of their pokemon and your move set.

    Basically it also mainly adds up to which pokemon you have.

    An un-Ev'd Water pokemon lv 100 with a ice move could beat a Ev'd Dragon.

    Ev's are basically another way to gain an advantage in the battlefield.
     
    Never was it that you could have two Lvl.100 Pikachus and they would have identical stats. I don't know when EVs started, and I know the addition of natures in R/S complicated it even more, but IVs have always existed. A key element of Pkmn has always been that no two are exactly the same. Adding Evs and natures encourages more variety and makes for a more entertaining metagame.
     
    Actually, EV's started in RBY.

    When you battle a certain pokemon a certain amount of times, the stat would automattically max out, based on the Pokemons DV's and whatnot.
     
    Well to be honest if it were still that way today there would be less players im sure and what would b the point of Wifi battling?
     
    All very nice points. But to correct some people, EVs first appeared in Gold and Silver vesion.

    And when I said that they would have the same stats, I meant that they would have close to the same stats. IVs do not change the stats excessively, which is why I said it.
     
    For players such as myself, EVs and IVs are the main attraction of the game. Combining them with movesets, natures and items to create unique strategies is what makes the game so appealing. Aince the storyline of the games is now so linear and samey, breeding and training a team of perfect Pokémon, then taking on the world and winning is a glorious feeling.

    I believe it is better this way. The game now has more depth, more variety and better gameplay. It's not just an RPG anymore, it's a serious and challenging strategy game, and that side of the games don't get enough credit in the mainstream consciousness of non-fans.
     
    I really like EV training, IVs are a bit more complex.
     
    I prefer the IVs and EVs, because you can get a great pokemon then. Of course it is hard work to breed and train, but Its worth it. The old editions were always so easy and fast to play, now you still have lots of things to do after beating the elite4.
     
    DeanoDance said it all. There are no games like todays DP out there. With EVs, IVs, Natures, Characteristics, movesets, and Shinies and gender differences, ther are probably millions of possibilities.
     
    NO because it makes competitive battling a lot harder and more chalanging which is cool so i likee evs i just do not llike the time involved with getting them god it takes ages and im not good at it but i like Evs a lot better than a game with out them
     
    4th Gen Matt said:
    And when I said that they would have the same stats, I meant that they would have close to the same stats. IVs do not change the stats excessively, which is why I said it.
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    IVs can cause stats to differ by up to 31 points with neutral natures, more if they have a beneficial nature. I don't know about you, but I would say that's fairly significant.
     
    Well, I am not the most knowledgeable about EVs and IVs but you get my point. EVs are great for those that want them. But I do believe that if you play a set levels match, then EVs should not appear. Because I cannot even test out my team on WiFi before I EV train them, which makes it a big hassle. So if it were up to me I would put set stats in Lv. 50 and 100 Singles and add the EVs that they gained during free battles. That way, people that do not like EVs can still WiFi battle without getting completely owned.

    P.S. Is a level 50 Pokemon too high of a level to begin EV training?
     
    You can EV train at Lvl.99 if you want just so long as the Pkmn doesn't have any EVs on it already.
     
    I like EV's but I do not like the time involved and sometimes I come across pokemon that I do not know the EV's it gives me. It's a bit of a hassle but it does add more depth to the game. I have a team on lvl 100 but it seems to take forever to EV train them.

    Just a question, How do you see the EV's of your Pokemon? I think you can get about 63 status points for the EV training them can't you?
     
    You can't see them directly, just their effects on your stats. You have to keep track of what EVs a Pkmn has to know exactly how many it has.
     
    i prefer having the ev's since it allows pokemon to become a strategic game, and it also allows individuality between players
     
    Why is it that everyone on the Diamond and Pearl forum is a complete idiot.

    4th Gen Matt said:
    Do you prefer the games where there were no EVs and if you got a Pikachu to level 100 then it would have the same stats as another Pikachu at level 100? Or do you prefer the new EVs, where your speed stat rests upon how many Staravias you've slaughtered.
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    First, EVs and IVs have been around since RBY. They were ruled by a different system, but they were there. And back then, your victory rested even more on how many Pokemon you killed- unlike today, there were NO limits to how many EVs a Pokemon could gain- the only limit was the 999 stat ceiling. Meaning it didn't matter how good your team was, when some kid could just grind for 100 hours to max out every stat on his Charizard and kill your team unless you did the same.

    I really just think that EVs are not needed. I believe that the winner of the battle should be decided upon prediction and better movesets.
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    Are you kidding? EVs are as much a part of a moveset as the attacks or the item. With them, battles depend even more on prediction and strategy. Sure, maybe EVs seem overpowered if your opponent is a retarded twelve year old who thinks victory is determined by the bond he shares with his Pokemon. But against a real opponent with properly trained and bred Pokemon, you need to think much more deeply about your moves and tactics.
     
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