Which Gyrados Moveset?

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Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 said:
What sims said. Return is only good on normal pokes for the most part. And yeah, Bronzong still laughs at you. Return was used on it in 3rd gen only, and HP flying was better than anyways. Point is, return is more f a novelty on Gyara, since there are far batter options.
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Ice Fang, Stone Edge, Waterfall, EQ...

Why would you need Return?

EDIT:NO, DARK. I TRIED IT.
 
Most of the counters of a Gyardos are Elctric types like:
Raichu
Electivire
Zapdos
Electrode
Jolteon

Return can OHKO all of these, but EQ can't. Also, you say Waterall takes care of all flyers easily? Skarmory? Articuno? Salamence? Dragonite? Other Gyarados'? Return can also OHKO these.
 
sims796 said:
Ice Fang, Stone Edge, Waterfall, EQ...

Why would you need Return?
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My point exactly...there are so many better options. Return failed me so many times I actually rebred for HP flying in emerald...that bad.

EDIT: Jimmyray, raichu isn't a gyarados counter. And what do you mean, EQ OHKOs all of those pokemon, except zapdos, which waterfall takes care of. None of those are gyara counters...really, your calculations are WAAAYYYYY off, I mean WAY off. I've never seen such inaccuracy in my life.
 
Jimmyray said:
Most of the counters of a Gyardos are Elctric types like:
Raichu
Electivire
Zapdos
Electrode
Jolteon

Return can OHKO all of these, but EQ can't. Also, you say Waterall takes care of all flyers easily? Skarmory? Articuno? Salamence? Dragonite? Other Gyarados'? Return can also OHKO these.
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Did you just say EQ CANNOT OHKO those? Are you crazy?

Also, Reurn will NOT OHKO Skar.
 
I have lot's of personal experience. Return actually OHKO'd my entire (all 6 pokes) from a really top quality battler (Pythonkid)
 
It depends on what you want Jimmy


Ice Fang and Earthquake for coverage.

Waterfall and Earthquake for raw power.

Damn i wish Hidden Power was still Physical.............


Anyways Bronzong wont really do much, only thing it can really do is Blow the Hell up or if they use a rare one with Charge Beam.
 
dude...

you don't know what a counter is...jolteon isn't a counter for Gyara, it can't switch into it.

As mentioned earlier, return doesn't OHKO skarm...no physical move does.

I honestly loled at that claim. EQ>>>>>>>>>>return. i"ve played pokemon for years dude...your calculations were WAY off.

EDIT: I lol at return...really. Your "experience" must've been REALLY messed up dude.
 
I think I'm going with Return + Waterfall.

Anti-Pop ~ I happen to KNOW for an actual FACT that Return is better. Thanks for all your help though :D
 
Wow. I missed Zapdos. Call the cops.

He has far too many options to say he needs Return for Coverage.

Please, explain why Return is better.
 
sims796 said:
Wow. I missed Zapdos. Call the cops.

He has far too many options to say he needs Return for Coverage.
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Return won't be doing anything. It doesn't say "super effective" on anything, which means it has no typ coverage or whatever.
 
Jimmyray said:
I think I'm going with Return + Waterfall.

Anti-Pop ~ I happen to KNOW for an actual FACT that Return is better. Thanks for all your help though :D
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dude, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I have to be honest, right? Yeah, I lost a lot of respect for you with your statemant...one pokemon resists EQ...zapdos, big deal. Use waterfall to hammer it hard, easy.

That must be one messed up dictionary you're reading, because EQ is better than return. We're all telling you the same thing...Return OHKOs nothing EQ can't, except flyers. And guess what? If you're worried about that, give it ice fang over waterfall, which takes out that zapdos you were talking about...

and gyara just uses taunt to skarmory, so it'll have to switch out, since drill peck does lol to it. It is so simple.
 
I have no problem with him, but I would like him to explain what Return hits that EQ/SE doesn't.
 
I already tried... But you all seem to think EQ. Let's just say it will sweep more pokemon with Return. Take an example battle:
WITH EQ:
Jamie sends out Gyarados:
Some Guy sends out Salamence
Jamie uses... wait.. uhm.. Taunt? No... Uhm... Waterfall? Na... EQ? Damn it...

With Return:
Jamie sends out Gyarados
Some Guy sends out Salamence
Jamie uses Return
Salamence dies

Stone Edge = No, because I don't have the TM and it has bad other type coverage for a Gyarados.
 
sims796 said:
I have no problem with him, but I would like him to explain what Return hits that EQ/SE doesn't.
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this thread just makes me lol. Return has horrid coverage. EQ hits those electric types it fears so much...simple logic. I have a problem when he says his opinion is a fact. I lol at the notion.

EDIT: As for your example Jimmyray, ther eis this little move called ice fang it learns...far better than return. And Mence has intimidate. you'd have to DD up quite a bit to OHKO it.
 
Same senario:


Jamie sends Gya
sims sends Mence
Jamie uses SE
Mence is KOed


I must run to the store for batteries...
 
Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 said:
dude, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I have to be honest, right? Yeah, I lost a lot of respect for you with your statemant...one pokemon resists EQ...zapdos, big deal. Use waterfall to hammer it hard, easy.

That must be one messed up dictionary you're reading, because EQ is better than return. We're all telling you the same thing...Return OHKOs nothing EQ can't, except flyers. And guess what? If you're worried about that, give it ice fang over waterfall, which takes out that zapdos you were talking about...

and gyara just uses taunt to skarmory, so it'll have to switch out, since drill peck does lol to it. It is so simple.
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EQ is a must need on ALL physical sweepers. Base power 100 acc. 100. Base Power depends on happiness which is now weakened by wi-fi battles, which you no longer need to train them to level 100 anymore. and you do it at such a low level, it won't have much effect. acc. 100 More power and 100 acc.? Yes. Power depends but is now weakened 100 acc.? No.
 
sims796 said:
Same senario:


Jamie sends Gya
sims sends Mence
Jamie uses SE
Mence is KOed


I must run to the store for batteries...
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Ice fang does the same...and both have far better coverage.
 
Jimmyray said:
I already tried... But you all seem to think EQ. Let's just say it will sweep more pokemon with Return. Take an example battle:
WITH EQ:
Jamie sends out Gyarados:
Some Guy sends out Salamence
Jamie uses... wait.. uhm.. Taunt? No... Uhm... Waterfall? Na... EQ? Damn it...

With Return:
Jamie sends out Gyarados
Intimidate Cuts Salmences Attack
Some Guy sends out Salamence
Intimidate Cuts Gyarados Attack
Jamie uses Return
Salamence uses Draco meteor :)
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However you missed out a couple of points that i will edit in.


You want to hit Super Effective on it, if Salamence is damaged you will KO it, you wont when its not Super Effective like Return isnt
 
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