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O really, I always thought ice is normal effective on steel, ussually I know the type chart pretty well, dang.
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whos stronger...diagla vs palkia
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O really, I always thought ice is normal effective on steel, ussually I know the type chart pretty well, dang.
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Dialga has 11 resistances, palkia has three. Firstly, look at palkias attack - 120 - and EQ has no stab. look at dialgas defence and HP - 120 and 100 respectively. i doubt palkias EQ would OHKO dialga and with the right EVs and nature, dialga could out run palkia, ten points is not a huge difference in base stats for speed. With the Orbs, dialga gets a bonus to its super effective attack, palkia doesnt.
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You guys are taking the wrong approach here. You can't determine which Pokémon is better by just looking which one would win in battle. That's just ridiculous. The correct way to do things would be to list the Pokémon they counter in their own metagame, ubers and how easy they're to switch in on things.
Dialga can...
Safely switch in on Mewtwo as long as it doesn't carry a Fighting type move, (and Fighting type moves aren't that common in Uber because most things there resist those. They're mostly for Blissey countering) laughs at the most common Lugia moves because it's immune to Toxic, only takes normal damage from Ice Beam (which won't hurt Dialga much) and resists Aeroblast. (though it isn't that common on Lugia) Dialga could also cripple the oh-so common Swords Dance Arceus with Thunder Wave if they're switched in on the same time and get at least one hit on it as well. Darkrai won't be able to do much damage to Dialga assuming you play with Sleep Clause and your opponent has already put one of your Pokémon to sleep. Dialga also does fairly well against Palkia even though I'm pretty sure Palkia would beat it. At least Dialga will put a huge dent in Palkia with Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse. (preferably Draco Meteor) Who knows, maybe it'll even be a one-hit-KO if you have enough Sp.Attack EVs.
Now for Palkia:
Palkia laughs at Kyogre because Surf will have a 0.25x damage modifier on it, Thunder will only deal normal damage and so will Ice Beam. Palkia will most likely be able to do huge damage to Kyogre before it gets enough Calm Minds to do any significant damage to Kyogre, too. Deoxys will most likely not OHKO Palkia, but Palkia will easily defeat it with any damaging move it has. Palkia also defeat Ho-oh rather easily and even with its STAB removed from Surf, it'll still do good damage to Groudon thanks to Lustrous Orb.
So I'd say Palkia and Dialga stand on pretty equal grounds. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Dialga's signature move sucks, though, whereas Palkia's owns.
Dialga can...
Safely switch in on Mewtwo as long as it doesn't carry a Fighting type move, (and Fighting type moves aren't that common in Uber because most things there resist those. They're mostly for Blissey countering) laughs at the most common Lugia moves because it's immune to Toxic, only takes normal damage from Ice Beam (which won't hurt Dialga much) and resists Aeroblast. (though it isn't that common on Lugia) Dialga could also cripple the oh-so common Swords Dance Arceus with Thunder Wave if they're switched in on the same time and get at least one hit on it as well. Darkrai won't be able to do much damage to Dialga assuming you play with Sleep Clause and your opponent has already put one of your Pokémon to sleep. Dialga also does fairly well against Palkia even though I'm pretty sure Palkia would beat it. At least Dialga will put a huge dent in Palkia with Draco Meteor or Dragon Pulse. (preferably Draco Meteor) Who knows, maybe it'll even be a one-hit-KO if you have enough Sp.Attack EVs.
Now for Palkia:
Palkia laughs at Kyogre because Surf will have a 0.25x damage modifier on it, Thunder will only deal normal damage and so will Ice Beam. Palkia will most likely be able to do huge damage to Kyogre before it gets enough Calm Minds to do any significant damage to Kyogre, too. Deoxys will most likely not OHKO Palkia, but Palkia will easily defeat it with any damaging move it has. Palkia also defeat Ho-oh rather easily and even with its STAB removed from Surf, it'll still do good damage to Groudon thanks to Lustrous Orb.
So I'd say Palkia and Dialga stand on pretty equal grounds. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Dialga's signature move sucks, though, whereas Palkia's owns.
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What about how they fare ingame. (elite 4+1)
Dialga - Bug-Owns with ancientpower and resists all but heracross.
-------- Ground- Useless here.
-------- Fire - Normal damage, kills with ancientpower/earth power
-------- Psychic - Resists
-------- Cynthia - resist spiritomb and roserade
Palkia - Bug- Normal but handles heracross
-------- Ground - Beats half of them.
-------- Fire - Resists most
-------- Psychic - Average
-------- Cynthia - Useless
Fairly even. Dialga outdoes palkia slightly here.
Dialga - Bug-Owns with ancientpower and resists all but heracross.
-------- Ground- Useless here.
-------- Fire - Normal damage, kills with ancientpower/earth power
-------- Psychic - Resists
-------- Cynthia - resist spiritomb and roserade
Palkia - Bug- Normal but handles heracross
-------- Ground - Beats half of them.
-------- Fire - Resists most
-------- Psychic - Average
-------- Cynthia - Useless
Fairly even. Dialga outdoes palkia slightly here.
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In-game stuff has nothing to do with strategy and since this is the GB Strategies and movesets, I see no point in comparing them by how well they do in the elite four. Even a team of 6 Bidoof could beat the e4. When measuring a Pokémon strength I always take a competitive point of view sinc in-game it doesn't matter what you use.
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@replay man-That was innapropriate, pointless SPAM. Delete that please.
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Aww... ALright. Just my opinion, not spam haha. it's gone though. =/
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Uh... I hate this thread.
Dialga's Roar of Time sucks.
Also, Dialga is weak to Ground and Fighting, while Palkia is only weak to Dragon (which it is also strong against).
Space > Time
Diamonds look like crap.
Pearls are sexy.
Distribution of stats, Palkia > Dialga
Namewise, Palkia >>>>>> Dialga
And Water > Steel
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Palkia isn't better than Dialga. They're equal. They both counter different Pokémon. Yes, palkia does have a better signature move, but Dialga is immune to Toxic, which is a huge advantage. And no one cares a crap about if pearls are sexier than diamonds because that doesn't affect the Pokémon in any freakin' way. <.<
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Palkia > Dialga
Better moveset and less weaknesses.
Dialga is weak to Ground (Earthquake anyone?) and Fighting (Close Combat anyone?)
Palkia is only weak against Dragon, and there are few Dragons that Palkia can't outrun.
Spacial Rend > Roar of Time (Battle wise, although I admit RoT looks WAY better)
The only thing Dialga has is that he's immune to Poison, and resistant to like 10 types. Palkia is only resistance to 3. But Palkia is a sweeper, and Dialga is a Tank. Sweepers > Tanks!
:P
Who cares, use em both, or better yet, use Mewtwo!
Mewtwo > Both of em!
Better moveset and less weaknesses.
Dialga is weak to Ground (Earthquake anyone?) and Fighting (Close Combat anyone?)
Palkia is only weak against Dragon, and there are few Dragons that Palkia can't outrun.
Spacial Rend > Roar of Time (Battle wise, although I admit RoT looks WAY better)
The only thing Dialga has is that he's immune to Poison, and resistant to like 10 types. Palkia is only resistance to 3. But Palkia is a sweeper, and Dialga is a Tank. Sweepers > Tanks!
:P
Who cares, use em both, or better yet, use Mewtwo!
Mewtwo > Both of em!
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Not all likes sweepers over tanks.
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Dialga (obviously) uses Roar of Time.
Palkia uses Endure (activates Petaya Berry).
...gets 2 attacks before Dialga can move...
...battle ends.
Yes it's tailored, but all of these 'battles' are anyways. At least this is a new tailored battle.
And as for general battling... Palkia has a single weakness, Dragon. Seriously, that's a relatively rare one - not like Dialga's common Fighting and Ground weaknesses. Ok, so D. can't be poisoned... yahoo, it still gets ripped open by all those Close Combats, Brick Breaks and Earthquakes which Palkia can certainly absorb alot better.
As for looks... buy PBR... watch Palkia spread its wings and move. How can you still say Dialga 'looks' better.
...and them's my two cents.
Palkia uses Endure (activates Petaya Berry).
...gets 2 attacks before Dialga can move...
...battle ends.
Yes it's tailored, but all of these 'battles' are anyways. At least this is a new tailored battle.
And as for general battling... Palkia has a single weakness, Dragon. Seriously, that's a relatively rare one - not like Dialga's common Fighting and Ground weaknesses. Ok, so D. can't be poisoned... yahoo, it still gets ripped open by all those Close Combats, Brick Breaks and Earthquakes which Palkia can certainly absorb alot better.
As for looks... buy PBR... watch Palkia spread its wings and move. How can you still say Dialga 'looks' better.
...and them's my two cents.
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Except that no good player would use Roar of Time and would instead use Draco Meteor (which, I'm pretty sure, can 2-hit KO Palkia.) or Dragon Pulse and as I already said, putting two Pokémon in a battle against each other is not a way to determine which one is better. -.- And of course every Pokémon has a counter and Dialga's counter is a strong physical sweeper with Earthquake/Close Combat. However, Dialga is much easier to switch in on things, while fragile physical sweepers don't like switching in on Dialga. Besides, the only Pokémon in Ubers that really use Earthquake or a Fighting move are Deoxys, Groudon, Arceus and Ho-oh. Sure Palkia also carries Earth Power, but a STABed, Adamant Orbed Draco Meteor from Dialga says hi.
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Didn't I say that they could counter each other quite nicely?
Besides, a battle will not be decided as simply as Ethereal said. A good trainer would have a MUCH better moveset, and won't fall into such an obvious trap.
Smarties-kun is right, a SINGLE battle is not enough to prove who is stronger. But rather, who would be more useful in a team. As he said, they both have their counters.
And on a personal note, I still think Dialga looks better. I always liked four-legged animals.
Besides, a battle will not be decided as simply as Ethereal said. A good trainer would have a MUCH better moveset, and won't fall into such an obvious trap.
Smarties-kun is right, a SINGLE battle is not enough to prove who is stronger. But rather, who would be more useful in a team. As he said, they both have their counters.
And on a personal note, I still think Dialga looks better. I always liked four-legged animals.