Windows Or Mac [A Consumers Dilemma]

[Dawn]

● If a program crashes on a Mac (rare, but it does indeed happen) then there is a handy Force Quit button which, unlike Window's End Program button, does actually close the program. Within about two seconds. The first time this happened, I was genuinely stunned - I was too used to clicking End Program End Program End Program for minutes on end whilst Windows tried to decide what I was asking it to do. Helpful!

To do this on Windows, right click the application and click "Go To Process"...it will highlight the process. Then click "End Process"

No seriously, this works. No idea why it doesn't just do that to begin with. It probably has to do with improperly and suddenly shutting down a program having potential to be dangerous.

● Are you sure you want to do this? Whoever came up with this dialogue box in Vista/7 needs to be shot.

Um... UAC serves a valid and useful function. I think you should be worrying about when Mac will be forced to do something like it.

● Programs such as Parallels can run Windows just fine, so if you desperately need something you can only do in Windows, you're not stuffed.

Would you like a side of fries with that dead battery and shoddy performance?

● Software Update. It politely asks whether or not you wish to install new updates, and warns you that certain updates may force a restart. It then allows you to choose which updates you require. This is far better than Windows, which just throws up a dialogue box telling you that it updated itself and you need to restart now. And that if you don't, it will simply keep reminding you every ten minutes. When I was in the middle of classwork, this was just plain infuriating.

Protip, there's several different ways to stop that.
1. Turn off automatic updates.
2. Stop using an obsolete OS (XP), newer ones will allow you to choose how long before it asks again.
3. Schedule automatic updates for a certain time so they don't get in your way.
4. Make sure your' computer is updated before you start using it.
Bonus: Mac has a few things to learn from Windows in terms of the benefits of smaller more frequent updates from a security standpoint.

 

[Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty]

To do this on Windows, right click the application and click "Go To Process"...it will highlight the process. Then click "End Process"

No seriously, this works. No idea why it doesn't just do that to begin with. It probably has to do with improperly and suddenly shutting down a program having potential to be dangerous.

Yet another example of how Microsoft make everything three times more complicated...for no apparent reason. Why not just have the End Process button on a handy menu? Because that would make too much common sense, perhaps?

Um... UAC serves a valid and useful function. I think you should be worrying about when Mac will be forced to do something like it.

It does not serve a 'valid and useful function' when you're doing something as simple as installing a game. It's irritatingly compulsory for most applications, and just needs to bugger off in general. The Mac asks for a password when you're trying to do things it deems dodgy, and that's only about once in a blue moon. Microsoft simply seems to assume that 99.9% of its userbase are total dorks who don't know how to do anything, and should therefore be prompted every twelve seconds.

Protip, there's several different ways to stop that.
1. Turn off automatic updates.
2. Stop using an obsolete OS (XP), newer ones will allow you to choose how long before it asks again.
3. Schedule automatic updates for a certain time so they don't get in your way.
4. Make sure your' computer is updated before you start using it.
Bonus: Mac has a few things to learn from Windows in terms of the benefits of smaller more frequent updates from a security standpoint.

Nice try, but the automatic updates on my mum's Vista laptop and my Dad's 7 PC are turned off. OFF OFF. And yet still, Windows somehow manages to prompt them to restart every ten minutes, because apparently it doesn't understand what that ticky box means. Plus, you shouldn't have to keep checking that your PC is updated before you do something as simple as opening a web browser: using a computer is meant to be about convenience. There is nothing convenient about booting up to check an eBay item and then spending 45 minutes installing and restarting for things you don't really need, but are thrust upon you. Windows also has that annoying trick that if you don't respond to its dialogue box in time, it will simply restart for you. I once went downstairs to get a drink, and came back up to find I had lost a load of work (and, coincidentally, that the updates had crashed my OS. Ah, Vista, you wonderful thing. /sarcasm). This simply does not happen with a Mac, I'm sorry to say.

I'm not trying to be snippy, and I apologise if it comes across that way, but "well there is a button that does that but it's miles away / actually being asked for permission to do something five times over is dead handy / updates are vital and ought to take forever" really aren't arguments in Windows' favour.

 

[Dawn]

Yet another example of how Microsoft make everything three times more complicated...for no apparent reason. Why not just have the End Process button on a handy menu? Because that would make too much common sense, perhaps?

They do. It's on the task manager under the processes tab. It's just easier to go to the applications tab and right click the frozen one and click "Go to process". Just saying there's probably a very apparent reason along the lines of "Force Quitting a program is a stability hazard because of potential for danger"

It does not serve a 'valid and useful function' when you're doing something as simple as installing a game. It's irritatingly compulsory for most applications, and just needs to bugger off in general. The Mac asks for a password when you're trying to do things it deems dodgy, and that's only about once in a blue moon. Microsoft simply seems to assume that 99.9% of its userbase are total dorks who don't know how to do anything, and should therefore be prompted every twelve seconds.

It does, and you obviously haven't done any research on UAC and why and when it pops up. Installing a game, SIMPLE?! Just because it's easy, doesn't make it simple. It's a very dangerous operation in theory, and can EASILY be rigged to screw your computer by malicious vendors. Do you have any idea how much access those things have to your system? The only reason installing a game is remotely safe is because most people get them from trusted vendors that are known to take measures against this sort of thing.

This is why pirating a game can be dangerous. Installing something as heavy as a game is the FIRST thing UAC should question.

UAC pops up when a program tries to run in admin mode. You can easily make a program not run in admin mode. Blame developers for constantly wanting full control of your Windows PC. Installing some programs doesn't even prompt UAC, because they're made properly to never ask for admin mode.

If Mac is anything like Ubuntu, it doesn't really have anything like UAC in that when those password prompts come up it's for specific things that are locked down manually.

Nice try, but the automatic updates on my mum's Vista laptop and my Dad's 7 PC are turned off. OFF OFF. And yet still, Windows somehow manages to prompt them to restart every ten minutes, because apparently it doesn't understand what that ticky box means. Plus, you shouldn't have to keep checking that your PC is updated before you do something as simple as opening a web browser: using a computer is meant to be about convenience. There is nothing convenient about booting up to check an eBay item and then spending 45 minutes installing and restarting for things you don't really need, but are thrust upon you. Windows also has that annoying trick that if you don't respond to its dialogue box in time, it will simply restart for you. I once went downstairs to get a drink, and came back up to find I had lost a load of work (and, coincidentally, that the updates had crashed my OS. Ah, Vista, you wonderful thing. /sarcasm). This simply does not happen with a Mac, I'm sorry to say.

You're doing something wrong. That's all I have to say to that. Perhaps you should ask someone who knows a lot about using Windows, perhaps me?, to help you fix that. Because I don't have these problems. I update once per week, and Windows 7 has a tendency to wait until I shut down to apply updates causing a somewhat longer shutdown time (Who cares? I'm not using it.) instead of asking me to restart.

I'm not trying to be snippy, and I apologise if it comes across that way, but "well there is a button that does that but it's miles away / actually being asked for permission to do something five times over is dead handy / updates are vital and ought to take forever" really aren't arguments in Windows' favour.

And I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't think your points are backed up very well. I did not like UAC when it first came out, and disabled it at one point. Then I read about what it actually does and why and I never disabled it again. If you knew the full scale of what UAC has done to the software world you'd appreciate it a LOT more.

 

[Deleted member 12729]

And I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't think your points are backed up very well.

Same can go for you and your comments regarding development, so it's all good. :D

 

[Dawn]

Same can go for you and your comments regarding development, so it's all good. :D

Cool story bro. But tbh I think this is even less relevant. If you'd be so kind as to actually contest my point...

 

[Deleted member 12729]

Cool story bro. But tbh I think this is even less relevant. If you'd be so kind as to actually contest my point...

Your 'point' has been 'contested' in my last three replies to your post. Did you somehow miss them?

 

[Dawn]

Your 'point' has been 'contested' in my last three replies to your post. Did you somehow miss them?

You highlight my words as if you don't know what they mean. My point is the focus of my post and to contest in this case means to throw a counter argument. I think you're trying to decide what my point is for me.

I get the impression we're not getting anywhere anytime soon, so unless you surprise me, I'm just going to drop it.

 

[Deleted member 12729]

You highlight my words as if you don't know what they mean. My point is the focus of my post and to contest in this case means to throw a counter argument. I think you're trying to decide what my point is for me.

I get the impression we're not getting anywhere anytime soon, so unless you surprise me, I'm just going to drop it.

This thread's lost its course two pages ago. All we've been doing now is derail it from constructive feedback, which even then is pointless as the OP seems to have made his decision.

 

[Captain Fabio]

This thread's lost its course two pages ago. All we've been doing now is derail it from constructive feedback, which even then is pointless as the OP seems to have made his decision.

Still deciding, but I don't see how this is going to help now, so I will ask for it to be closed.

Thanks for all the help guys!

 

[Morkula]

Closed by the thread creator's request.
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