WOOHOHOHOHO!!!! I'm full ;__;

Why would you leave Blissey into a physical attack anyways? >_>

Also, I could do that for my specific team because of Reflect support and that 252HP backing me up doesn't lie. Besides, I already put on 216Def EVs just to be on the safe side =)

Samson said:
any blissey can survive any of those hits and just softboil it off. specs adaptability HB from porygon doesn't OHKO blissey. porygon Z needs 2 Nasty Plots before it can do that.

but then again, you do have reflect. you better hope metagross doesn't die off so suddenly.
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It doesn't need to 0HKO. It will 2HKO. And a wall isn't a wall unless it can switch into an attack. If I try to switch in, I I lose half my health, or even worse. Then they kill me the next turn.




Edit:And I meant Nasty Plot for Pory.
 
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well that's pretty much the point. if you let a porygon Z use 2 nasty plots, you deserve to lose XD

but seriously, if he uses hyperbeam, you're forgetting that it leaves him unable to attack you the following turn. you paralyze, then softboiled ._.

your blissey with protect would actually make it EASIER for a porygon to sweep your team. the silly PorygonZ sets with Salac Berry that always fail would actually love your Blissey, reducing its HP w/ seismic toss to the perfect amount after it uses Nasty Plot a couple times. of course, you're prepared for that with a scarf chomp and encore Zam, but don't think that your blissey set is any more suited to handle porygon Z than the standard.
 
Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Veil
Lonely nature(+Atk -Def)
EVs: 252Atk / 224Spd / 32Def

- Outrage
- Stone Edge
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake

Stone Edge. Always, i use this and i find Gyarados laughs at you otherwise.
Also i prefer putting those 32 Sp.Def evs in def to balance out your defenses since your running lonely nature.

Oh yea speaking of Gyarados

Gyarados@Leftovers
212 HP / 16 ATT / 180 DEF / 100 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- Ice Fang / Waterfall
- Earthquake / Stone Edge
- Taunt
- Dragon Dance

Bulky Gyarados, made to switch into Heracross and Garchomp it also makes a great lead thanks to its ability. Waterfall and Stone Edge OR Ice Fang and Earthquake work together in terms of coverage.


Alakazam@Choice Specs
Timid Nature
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Psychic
- Energy Ball / Grass Knot / Hidden power Ice

Specs is the best set Alakazam runs.

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
Impish nature(+Def -Sp.Atk)
EVs: 252HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATT
- Power Whip
- Sleep Powder
- Leech Seed
- Knock Off / Stun Spore

Wall 101. Either Knock off or Stun Spore. It NEEDS Leech Seed. Max Def and Max Hp. Always


Metagross @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Trait: Clear Body
Adamant nature(+Atk -Sp.Atk)
EVs: 152 HP / 106 SPEED / 252 ATT
- Earthquake
- Explosion / Thunderpunch / Ice Punch /Bullet Punch / Pursuit / Zen headbutt
- Meteor Mash
- Agility


Agiligross is better IMO. You also lack up a back up sweeper for Garchomp which is bad when your locked into a move with scarf


Blissey @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Bold Nature
EVs: 148hp/252def/4spd/104spatk
- Protect
- Wish
- Seismic Toss
- Ice Beam

Standard. Max Def. Always

I was gonna quote you and put changes in bold, however my quote button doesnt seem to be working..
 
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Dark_Azelf said:
Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Veil
Lonely nature(+Atk -Def)
EVs: 252Atk / 224Spd / 32Def

- Outrage
- Stone Edge
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake

Stone Edge. Always, i use this and i find Gyarados laughs at you otherwise.
Also i prefer putting those 32 Sp.Def evs in def to balance out your defenses since your running lonely nature.

Oh yea speaking of Gyarados

Gyarados@Leftovers
212 HP / 16 ATT / 180 DEF / 100 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- Ice Fang / Waterfall
- Earthquake / Stone Edge
- Taunt
- Dragon Dance

Bulky Gyarados, made to switch into Heracross and Garchomp it also makes a great lead thanks to its ability. Waterfall and Stone Edge OR Ice Fang and Earthquake work together in terms of coverage.


Alakazam@Choice Specs
Timid Nature
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Psychic
- Energy Ball / Grass Knot / Hidden power Ice

Specs is the best set Alakazam runs.

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
Impish nature(+Def -Sp.Atk)
EVs: 252HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATT
- Power Whip
- Sleep Powder
- Leech Seed
- Knock Off / Stun Spore

Wall 101. Either Knock off or Stun Spore. It NEEDS Leech Seed. Max Def and Max Hp. Always


Metagross @ Leftovers / Life Orb
Trait: Clear Body
Adamant nature(+Atk -Sp.Atk)
EVs: 152 HP / 106 SPEED / 252 ATT
- Earthquake
- Explosion / Thunderpunch / Ice Punch /Bullet Punch / Pursuit / Zen headbutt
- Meteor Mash
- Agility


Agiligross is better IMO. You also lack up a back up sweeper for Garchomp which is bad when your locked into a move with scarf


Blissey @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Bold Nature
EVs: 148hp/252def/4spd/104spatk
- Protect
- Wish
- Seismic Toss
- Ice Beam

Standard. Max Def. Always

I was gonna quote you and put changes in bold, however my quote button doesnt seem to be working..
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Is that a novelty set for Blissey? It isn't Standard. Anyways, i'm gonna be like you and ditch Aromatherapy on this Set. What was the reason, again?

Blissey @ Leftovers (F)
Trait: Natural Cure
EV's: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Sp.Atk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave
- Seismic Toss
- Ice Beam / Thunderbolt
- Softboiled... I didn't put any Atk EV's becaue Seismic Toss's Base Damage is already set to 100... Everything else seems to be covered.
 
Itachi 2007 said:
Is that a novelty set for Blissey? It isn't Standard. Anyways, i'm gonna be like you and ditch Aromatherapy on this Set. What was the reason, again?

Blissey @ Leftovers (F)
Trait: Natural Cure
EV's: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Sp.Atk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave
- Seismic Toss
- Ice Beam / Thunderbolt
- Softboiled... I didn't put any Atk EV's becaue Seismic Toss's Base Damage is already set to 100... Everything else seems to be covered.
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No the set i gave is from smogon, its standard on a Wish Blissey that runs Ice Beam so it can OHKO Garchomp..

The reason for Ice Beam is so that Dragons dont see Blissey as set up fodder.
 
Dark_Azelf said:
No the set i gave is from smogon, its standard on a Wish Blissey that runs Ice Beam so it can OHKO Garchomp..

The reason for Ice Beam is so that Dragons dont see Blissey as set up fodder.
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Smogon isn't really a trustful resource.. And it isn't the best site.. I've seen them fail at giving the Movesets plenty of times..
 
Itachi 2007 said:
Smogon isn't really a trustful resource.. And it isn't the best site.. I've seen them fail at giving the Movesets plenty of times..
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Really, aww come on i dont think they fail that bad or the movesets they give wouldnt be usable, i use plenty of them and they work fantastic and considering all of the sets are standard aswell.

I used Smogon for Wish Blissey as im not too familiar with using it and is fast becoming popular, and its better than using a custom EV spread isnt it lol?
 
Dark_Azelf said:
Really, aww come on i dont think they fail that bad or the movesets they give wouldnt be usable, i use plenty of them and they work fantastic.

I used Smogon for Wish Blissey as im not too familiar with using it and is fast becoming popular, and its better than using a custom EV spread isnt it lol?
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Yeah. But the main point is that it wasn't the Standard.. The rest, screw.. Novelty Sets can work just as well. Surprising opponents can mean the difference in a battle. What the Hell was I thinking?
 
Itachi 2007 said:
Yeah. But the main point is that it wasn't the Standard.. The rest, screw.. Novelty Sets can work just as well. Surprising opponents can mean the difference in a battle. What the Hell was I thinking?
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Its not really novelty, its an alternative if you like, however is is ONE of the standard Blissey movesets hence why its on smogon, i know Richard Steel and alot of other people use Wish Blissey for the team support factor of Wish that softboiled doesnt have.
 
I'm going to just repeat what I had in my original post, conisdering most of its been repeated....yada..yada .yada. Hey My Subs (as in Subway) ready!.

O and If you can't fit Magmortar you could consider replacing Metagross and Alakazam. I see potential there, you already have the lyzard dragon thing of awsomeness in Gyarados. (when used right of course ;) )
 
Itahci, smogon really is the best competitive resource. the fail movesets are the novelty ones. Keep in mind jumpman and chaos INVENTED Boah and a few other standards.

Just to give my opinion on that...
 
Serebii for sets? I don't even know how to find those. Azelf is so overrated and good fire types are hard to find. It's only disadvantage is EQ and how its EVERYWHERE. Of course everyone knows that.
 
Okay, I really don't like the gyara set. I mean, your attacks really won't be doing much, I just wouldn't use it to be honest.
 
flamehaze94 said:
I don't know. I might change it.

The problem is that I really don't like standards. >_>
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Neither do I, but going THAT novelty is a bit too much. the sets still have to work, and I don't really see that one working. But that's why we experiment, yes? Once we get something that works, you can terrorize the metagame.
 
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