[Other✓] Work shopping Some Hacking Ideas - Help PLZ

[marillmau5]

Hello, I'm familiar with the tools for pokemon hacking, not too much hex editing.
After playing(hacking tools) with gold i got too frustrated with the amount of freezes created by one of the gold mapping tool. I've decided to stick with editing Pokemon Red since I havent had any problems when testing the tools.

Here are some Ideas for Red Hacks I would like to make:
1. Dittos Revenge-
They tried a second time to clone mew and ended up with a more advanced ditto, lets call him ditto 2. This Ditto is a starter pokemon and can learn moves from the TCG ditto moves. Moves like growth and mimic. The story is to go to each city and show your strength by beating each gym and making sure everyone stops using/abusing ditto for breeding or trafficking.

2.Pokemon Final Red-
This hack would aim to be the pokemon red that I'd like to play. Different from the proud eyes hack.
It would include certain aspects from the pokemon universe. Like each Gym leader Using Pokemon from their Battle Stadium team. Uncensoring Text, adding Unused Japanese Text. Letting you choose Charmander (red), Pikachu (yellow) or Polywhirl (manga) as a starter and updating the rival battles.
Adding more second and third evolutions to the map. Using wild pokemon data from Red/Blue/Yellow/Gold(kanto pkmn) and Silver (kanto pkmn). For example in gold theres a raticate in Route 1. In this hack I would be adding a 5% encounter Boss pokemon to each route so raticate would fit in this case. Updating moves and stats to the current standards. And last but not least begging someone on the forums to help me enable the prof oak battle in the game maybe at his lab after you beat elite 4. I always figured even as a kid that he would battle you after.

3.Pokemon No.
This hack idea was one of my first ideas. It would be a hack to specifically go up to brocks gym and end. I like this because it would help me make a quick and polished hack. The story is that the missingno. virus used porygon to hack into the pokemon world and glitch kanto for good. Luckily it has chosen and controlled brock and hes not too far away. This hack would disable saves using the pokemon randomizer as a tool. since the hack is so small. and I would try to keep the world as kanto as possible but updated and different encounters and battles to reflect the story.

Please give feedback and feel 100% free to throw some of your ideas my way!

 

[DJTiki]

I'm in love with Pokemon Final Red xD I would love for all the things that weren't in Red to begin with to make an appearance. An increased diffuculty and more Pokemon evolutions, maybe you'll fix their bugs. It seems like a good idea.

As for Pokemon No. I like the story and I get that its a smaller hack. But if you end it off with Brock, not much of Kanto will be shown. 3 towns and cities, and 2 routes, and a cave(at least, that's what I guess). Its not that much. It'll be harder cramming content on that small window.

Ditto's revenge sounds cool. Mainly becuase when I was younger, I PokéGen a Ditto that had insane stats , and all illegal moves. Plus it was shiny. So expect me to be playing this. xD

As for help with planning them out, I made a thread to help people like you out. I know, shameless plug is a shameless plug. But here: https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/329825.

Hope it helps. XD

 

[marillmau5]

Thanks, I was hoping for this post to help me decide which one to really start, now im not sure they all sound equally good now. Hehe.

 

[esperance]

I don't want to derail your excitement, but there is a reason there are not too many extensive Red hacks. It's hard. Very. To do anything event-wise, you need knowledge of assembly, because unlike other games Red does not have a scripting language beyond standard functions. Additionally, apart from basic map editing, everything is done with a hex editor. If that in any way sounds daunting, you should probably get your experience up with an "easier" game, like Gold, practice with ASM and such, then attempt a full Red hack. Tools will only be able to get you so far, and that is basically limited to simple map edits and trainer modifications.

I don't want to discourage you, and your hacks do sound mostly doable with tools and basic hex editing, but it can be complex and I'd rather you get some experience before being faced with the complex side of ROM hacking and giving up before you start.

 

[JosefigGaming]

Or you could just make your hack with FireRed as a base
If you want to, you can change the tiles and sprites to fit gen 1 style

 

[marillmau5]

I don't want to derail your excitement, but there is a reason there are not too many extensive Red hacks. It's hard. Very. To do anything event-wise, you need knowledge of assembly, because unlike other games Red does not have a scripting language beyond standard functions. Additionally, apart from basic map editing, everything is done with a hex editor. If that in any way sounds daunting, you should probably get your experience up with an "easier" game, like Gold, practice with ASM and such, then attempt a full Red hack. Tools will only be able to get you so far, and that is basically limited to simple map edits and trainer modifications.

I don't want to discourage you, and your hacks do sound mostly doable with tools and basic hex editing, but it can be complex and I'd rather you get some experience before being faced with the complex side of ROM hacking and giving up before you start.

Thanks, some very helpful advice. As much as I didnt want to mention I was going to just use tools provided by the community. Yeah, shameful. I know I wont make the next pokemon brown Im doing it for fun and seeing which idea deserves to be made out of the three.

I guess in a sense you helped me out for my original reason. I might just make Pokemon No. Because I could then make sure I see my limits and learn from making that game first.

I Reeeally wish pokemon gold mapping tools wouldnt freeze the game like when I move a trainer or use warps going from kanto to jhoto. otherwise I'd use gold for hacking. I was making a hack to start in kanto and combine jhoto into kanto in convinient places. like the gym leaders having a second warp "upstairs" to the jhoto gym. BUT ofcourse this would freeze the game even when using the right warp points and not adding any extra events. So I'm steering Faaaar from gold hacking because of that. :/

 

[marillmau5]

Or you could just make your hack with FireRed as a base
If you want to, you can change the tiles and sprites to fit gen 1 style

Hey that sounds like a lot of importing, would be nice to have a rom base for that.