6th Gen X/Y Third Version Speculation Thread

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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire said:
Corocoro (Zygarde forme issue) said new Pokemon would be shown in the anime before anywhere else.
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But is that new Pokemon for this current Generation, or for the eventual Gen 7? That's what's confusing me, because it sounds like you guys are saying that we'll get more brand-new Pokemon in "Z", as in mid-Generation 'mons. If that's what was insinuated, why didn't Serebii elaborate on that more when that Zygarde issue was leaked?
 
WingsofBliss said:
But is that new Pokemon for this current Generation, or for the eventual Gen 7? That's what's confusing me, because it sounds like you guys are saying that we'll get more brand-new Pokemon in "Z", as in mid-Generation 'mons. If that's what was insinuated, why didn't Serebii elaborate on that more when that Zygarde issue was leaked?
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New Pokémon is also used for Megas and Formes, so it could be new Megas and forms that we haven't seen in either XY or OrAs. It could also be Gen 7 Pokémon making early cameos. The article was vague...
 
Here is what I think regarding on how many cores there are. Originally, I thought there were 5 cores, but the math to it would be off. if 5 Cores = 100%, then 50% = 2.5 Cores, and 10% wouldn't need a whole Core (alternatively, it could be called 20% Zygarde to utilize a whole Core, but it's officially called 10%, and one Core can transform to 10%, so therefore it's not logical for 10% to utilize a whole Core). The math doesn't add up if there are hypothetically five cores. I believe due to the perfect forme's chest-plate revealing the colored hexagons, there will be cores of the five colors: two blue cores, two aqua cores, two white cores and two orange cores since we know that the blue core exists. So 10 cores total with two of each color.It can also be speculated that team flare already has one set (or at least knows the location of one set as indicated by the first episode of XYZ). I also believe that each core is able to manifest a 10% forme as well meaning, there will be 10 individual 10% formes possible as well as different colored ones (blue, aqua, white, orange) in addition to the red one that we already know. Five 10% formes (one color set) will get together to form one 50% Zygarde, while the other color set forms the other 50% forme. Then, the two 50% then join to form complete. The math works perfectly here: (10 x 5) + (10 x 5) = 100. This is also hinted in the opening of XYZ where you can see the gang facing off against team Flare with a 50% zygarde on their side. For the design of 50%'s, it has no other color in it except for the usual green and black color scheme. While it has white in it's right eye, I'm thinking it could be how the core's eye work out, as it does has a normal right eye, and it's left one is not. They could have put something in it's chest, just like they did for the 10%, but they didn't. It could also be the fact that the 50% has 5 frills.


How Zygarde triggers it's Complete form is shown in this video from the Japanese Pokémon video detailing all the things in the arcade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HOTWCL1KPs
It seems at 1:03, they were explaining that 50% Zygarde's HP was getting low, compared with the other's HP, so that's how that triggered it's complete form, and then at 1:33, the HP went back to full again. So I figured the transformation depends on it's HP.


If you pay close enough attention, you'll see that this game's graphics mimic that of the Main Series games very well. For example, a Shiny Rayquaza is shown in this trailer Mega Evolving, and the transformation sequence and movements of Rayquaza are almost exact to that of what Rayquaza does in the Main Series games. The graphic for Dragon Ascent also closely resembles that of what Dragon Ascent looks like in the Main Series games.

Now let's go back to Zygarde. In the trailer, you'll see a 50% Zygarde transforming into Complete Zygarde, which it does using a unique sequence of absorbing a numerous amount of green hexagons. So combined with what we know about Zygarde, we can infer something; these hexagons are Zygarde Cells. And how do we know this? Because of what Zygarde does in the anime, as seen in XY&Z Episode 1. Taking the Zygarde Transformation Sequence into account, I believe it is possible that Zygarde's transformation reacts in a similar sense to Mega Evolution and Primal Reversion: It would be an in-battle transformation. Does Zygarde need a held item containing all the cells and cores in order to activate this? Will it work as a key item? We don't know yet, but we will in the future.
 
Maybe the ten cores (if there are going to be 10) will be the colors of the original ten games, so Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Gold, Silver, Crystal (light blue or transparent), Ruby (dark red), Sapphire (dark blue), and Emerald ( a lighter green than the green core). All of which came out during the first ten years of Pokémon.
 
That's interesting... so Zygarde 50% might transform based on HP, it's almost like when Darmanitan takes on its Zen Mode when its HP is running low.

A thought came to me while watching that video of Tretta... it looks to be partially promoting the XY&Z anime, giving you access to Ash's Pikachu and Alain's Mega Charizard X. But it also shows that you can use Steven's Shiny Mega Metagross, so I'm wondering if that's a hint of Steven making a future appearance during the Zygarde-Flare arc in the anime? I'm even starting to wonder if he'll show up in "Z", for the purpose of further studying Mega Evolution since he was heavily involved in it in ORAS.
 
WingsofBliss said:
That's interesting... so Zygarde 50% might transform based on HP, it's almost like when Darmanitan takes on its Zen Mode when its HP is running low.

A thought came to me while watching that video of Tretta... it looks to be partially promoting the XY&Z anime, giving you access to Ash's Pikachu and Alain's Mega Charizard X. But it also shows that you can use Steven's Shiny Mega Metagross, so I'm wondering if that's a hint of Steven making a future appearance during the Zygarde-Flare arc in the anime? I'm even starting to wonder if he'll show up in "Z", for the purpose of further studying Mega Evolution since he was heavily involved in it in ORAS.
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Well he's known to have visited Kanto (maybe Johto too), Sinnoh, and Unova, so why not Kalos too? The guy is called the male Cynthia for a reason. Actually I would love to see the PWT appear again. Also, perhaps all the champions will appear and play a small role. Iris and Lance will help try to calm Zygarde. Steven could give the player a Mega Stone (Metagrossite), Cynthia and Wallace could disclose some lore of Kalos alongside Diantha. Alder could help the player with tips. Blue could play a role in stopping Flare since he was in Lumiose sometime ago.
 
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Pikachu said:
Is everybody sure that a third game is coming now? /so out of the loop
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to put it bluntly....
its basically just a
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based solely on the patterns of all the main series releases prior not taking into account how nintendo just loves to mess with peoples heads and a hell of a lot of impatience.
 
I'm wondering if Pokemon Z going to introduce Contest in Kalos .
Since ORAS came up with new Contest game place.
Plus , Kalos suppose to represent beauty while Contest are about showcasing beauty . It feel like a waste that Kalos doesn't have any contest.
 
Famon said:
I'm wondering if Pokemon Z going to introduce Contest in Kalos .
Since ORAS came up with new Contest game place.
Plus , Kalos suppose to represent beauty while Contest are about showcasing beauty . It feel like a waste that Kalos doesn't have any contest.
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Place? They existed in RS in the same places too. Since Kanto and Johto didn't get them in their remakes I doubt Kalos will get them in their third version.
 
Now I'm wondering how will Thousand arrows and Waves come into play with this. Will they make it so that both moves are required to have on Zygarde, just like Rayquaza doesn't need an item to mega evolve, but needs Dragon ascent to do so? Will Zygarde be restricted by having an item to deal with Xerneas and Yveltal in battle? Here's what I found in the translation of a text of the Pokemon fan magazine of this month regarding the final episode for this year centering on Zygarde: "It has this amazing power even at 10%! "Land's Wrath" bursts forth!!
With a powerful shockwave that even breaks the ground apart, it drives off all the opponents surrounding it at once!!"
So apparently, even the 10% knows Land's wrath, and also, in the arcades of Ultimate Tretta Z, the Perfect form also uses Land's wrath in a similar animation the 50% form uses. So perhaps Land's wrath will be it's own separate move, like how Hoopa's Hyperspace hole is a separate move to it's other move, Hyperspace fury, and maybe there can be a special move tutor that will have Thousand Arrows and Waves for Zygarde to learn.
 
WingsofBliss said:
But is that new Pokemon for this current Generation, or for the eventual Gen 7? That's what's confusing me, because it sounds like you guys are saying that we'll get more brand-new Pokemon in "Z", as in mid-Generation 'mons. If that's what was insinuated, why didn't Serebii elaborate on that more when that Zygarde issue was leaked?
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Most of the time some pokémon are show prior to the gen. Examples are Togepi, Maril and Munchlax.
 
KillerTyphlosion said:
Most of the time some pokémon are show prior to the gen. Examples are Togepi, Maril and Munchlax.
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ho-oh in the first episode of the anime
togepi
maril & snubull in pikachu's vacation with the hypnotic bellsprout
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first gen bellsprouts where freaking awesome
donphan in mewtwo strikes back and mewtwo itself used shadow ball

the 2 kecleon that foreshadowed not only the third gen but also the mystery dungeon series
harrison's blaziken & kecleon
munchlax in destiny deoxys, lucario & the mystery of mew had the obvious one + weavile, bonsly & mime jr
both munchlax & bonsly where both in xd gale of darkness
zorua, zoroark & the woobat hat in Zoroark: Master of Illusions
slyveon, alexa's pokemon & mega mewtwo Y

so far though, the only pokemon to that was able to be used in a game prior to its own generation is bonsly with the battle bingo so its doubtful that that will happen again.
i think i made a similar comment about this somewhere else in this thread....
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I know that a lot of times that they'll show newer Gen Pokemon in the anime like you guys are describing. What I'm trying to find out is where it said in the Zygarde Forme CoroCoro that we will be getting new Pokemon. That's something pretty significant other than the Zygarde Formes and Ash Greninja that were revealed in that same issue, so I would think that Serebii, Bulbanews, and everybody else reporting on it would have picked up on it... but yet, they did not. This is the only place that I have heard such news, are you guys sure you're not mistaking the claim of new Pokemon for just the Zygarde Formes and Ash Greninja?

I'm really sorry if I came off kind of rude, I'm just trying to make sense of it. One of my biggest pet peeves during pre-release season of these games is the spread of misinformation.
 
WingsofBliss said:
I know that a lot of times that they'll show newer Gen Pokemon in the anime like you guys are describing. What I'm trying to find out is where it said in the Zygarde Forme CoroCoro that we will be getting new Pokemon. That's something pretty significant other than the Zygarde Formes and Ash Greninja that were revealed in that same issue, so I would think that Serebii, Bulbanews, and everybody else reporting on it would have picked up on it... but yet, they did not. This is the only place that I have heard such news, are you guys sure you're not mistaking the claim of new Pokemon for just the Zygarde Formes and Ash Greninja?

I'm really sorry if I came off kind of rude, I'm just trying to make sense of it. One of my biggest pet peeves during pre-release season of these games is the spread of misinformation.
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I don't remember anymore. Sometimes these things go under the radar. Something that Serebii only covered on twitter though is the merchandise sheets.
The following is a PM ZafirChad sent me a while back.

"Not sure if this was mentioned before, but has anyone remembered the merchandise sheets they've been talking about some months ago?


https://pokeshopper.com/comingsoon.html

While I don't think this automatically confirms a new generation, there are three mystery silhouettes, with two of them being released on the 30th of this month. This is interesting, seeing as there's still no announcement of a main game, yet as if they're preparing to market or advertise for the next games, and we have no idea what the new Pokémon are. I wouldn't think they're letting all this slide to wait for next year just to announce a new game.. but then again.. it's so unpredictable what are they trying to do next."
Perhaps we'll know in a week's time if we are getting new mons in the next two-three years.

Edit: Oh, never mind the link seems to have updated, it was Puni-chan after all. Interesting that at the end of this month we're getting more Zygarde merchandise...
 
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