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6th Gen X/Y Third Version Speculation Thread

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WingsofBliss said:
I never really thought of it as a mortality beam or death ray(I almost said darth ray. Darth Rey, I just self-foreshadowed myself), because Lysandre's goal of wiping out everybody minus Team Flare is the same in both versions. But, where I get confused is he says he'll grant the players eternal life in X, or show the power of the weapon in Y before setting it off and burying himself. This suggests that the effect of the weapon would be dependent on the Legendary being used to power it.

But an interesting tidbit to remember is that in both versions, AZ uses regular Pokemon to both revive Floette and then again to launch the weapon. So, what is the difference between using regular VS Legendary Pokemon to power the weapon, other than power levels? What would this mean if they used Zygarde instead in a 3rd version Z?
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Lol, let's hope Darth Rey doesn't become a thing...

Hmm, I was under the impression that Team Flare used regular mons too alongside the mascot, and figured AZ did the same thing. Though, perhaps AZ did use a species of legendary, Mew seeing how Mewtwo has Mega stones...of course they could be similar to the theory of a radiated Aerodactyl fossil
becoming Aerodactite.


I also wonder if perhaps AZ's brother played a role in the second launching of the weapon to end the war.
 
OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire said:
I also wonder if perhaps AZ's brother played a role in the second launching of the weapon to end the war.
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I'm looking on Bulbapedia, and so far it hasn't said anything about his brother being involved. But, it does say that he was the one who buried it. I wonder if we'll get a little bit more backstory in the new game.

I also can't help but feel that they could also make alternate realities of "X" and "Y" when the war in Kalos never happened. And then to "re-introduce" Mega Evolution back into the game, have Team Flare use the Anistar Sundial and Zygarde as their alternate Ultimate Weapon. After they use it, boom, Megas start popping up as a result instead of wiping out Kalos. Or, they do succeed in wiping out Kalos but then Zygarde steps in, does its thing, and then Megas become the end result of Zygarde's restorative power. I've probably suggested this once before or somebody else has, but I can't remember... :/
 
WingsofBliss said:
I'm looking on Bulbapedia, and so far it hasn't said anything about his brother being involved. But, it does say that he was the one who buried it. I wonder if we'll get a little bit more backstory in the new game.

I also can't help but feel that they could also make alternate realities of "X" and "Y" when the war in Kalos never happened. And then to "re-introduce" Mega Evolution back into the game, have Team Flare use the Anistar Sundial and Zygarde as their alternate Ultimate Weapon. After they use it, boom, Megas start popping up as a result instead of wiping out Kalos. Or, they do succeed in wiping out Kalos but then Zygarde steps in, does its thing, and then Megas become the end result of Zygarde's restorative power. I've probably suggested this once before or somebody else has, but I can't remember... :/
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I think I suggested something similar. It'll also allow us to continue with the timeline established in Gen III for Gen VII, while DP remakes can continue on with OrAs' timeline. But we'll still need AZ to revive his Floette.

I think that Zygarde played a role in healing Kalos after AZ's ultimate weapon, and when the meteor struck where Sootopolis will be built.


Btw the New Year's special is about to start...wonder what it'll tell us about Zygarde's "secret power".
 
Evieon said:
Isn't Zygarde based on a god of death?
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thats more of the shikigami dusknoir's thing then any other pokemon
hell you even need the reaper/spirit world cloth to evolve it from duskcolps.

zygarde as with the rest of the trio seem to be based on norse mythology
yveltal, like the digimon velgemon, is based on hræsvelgr the corpse eater and may also be a personification of the black death.
xerneas is based on yggdrasil & the 4 stags that munch on it: dáinn, dvalinn, duneyrr and duraþrór
zygarde on the other hand:
zygarde's cell & core forms are based on the same thing dunsparce is: the mythological tsuchinoko.
10% form is based on fenrir one of the children on loki
50% form is based on loki jörmungandr another of loki's offspring & níðhöggr, the dragon that gnaws on the roots of yggdrasil
complete form is based on hel, ruler of the realm of the dead. who is on par with the gods, but is not a god.
 
MarinoKadame said:
Serebii twitted the special here:


It seems Ash feel the pain of Greninja when he's into Ash form. It's like they both share their mind.
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so its got the mind link power?
its a bit surprising that we haven't seen that in the anime yet given all the other powers that various humans seem to have. i wonder if this is gonna spark up ash's aura powers a bit more...
i also got to wonder if its gonna be like wargrowlmon & takato where they both made the very same actions
https://youtu.be/THxOLQq588I?t=6m
 
So according to that video, apparently Blue Core can jump straight into 50% Forme without becoming 10% Forme first. We have yet to see Red Core get past its 10%. Very interesting, any thoughts?

Also now that we're in the new year, I guess that means we can start saying that we'll get a game release this year. :P I'm so excited.
 
WingsofBliss said:
So according to that video, apparently Blue Core can jump straight into 50% Forme without becoming 10% Forme first. We have yet to see Red Core get past its 10%. Very interesting, any thoughts?

Also now that we're in the new year, I guess that means we can start saying that we'll get a game release this year. :P I'm so excited.
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It seems that red core has yet to collect it's half of the cells. I think that's why it went to terminal cave, to get more.
 
MarinoKadame said:
It seems Ash feel the pain of Greninja when he's into Ash form. It's like they both share their mind.
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I'm really excited to see the ramifications of this. Is this why Greninja looks like he's walking away from Ash in the opening song? Maybe he feels guilty over the pain this transformation is causing Ash and tries to leave, to spare Ash the pain? This is really going to add a whole new dimension to their relationship and Ash's character and i can't wait to see how they deal with it.
 
MarinoKadame said:
Kind of funny Greninja got picked to get that type of evolution over Pikachu.
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greninja, the pokemon created more for ssb whle x&y was in devolpment, is more well recieved then pikachu at this point due to the fact that most are just sick of seeing the mascot everywhere.
that & they'd have had to drag out & update a lot of old footage again & go though a hell of lot of pikachu's memory's again

oh and they kind of already did a few of these unusual power up forms back in D&P
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That surprised me too, but then I haven't been keeping in touch with the anime enough to see how close he is to Froakie/Frogedier/Greninja compared to Pikachu.

Does anybody know if there's anything noteworthy Pokemon-related in this upcoming CoroCoro? I would assume some more stuff about Movie 19 and Volcanion.

EDIT: This person on another forum brought up a really interesting point:

https://forums.bulbagarden.net/inde...on-vi-the-future.169739/page-310#post-5739980

I remember seeing that tweet too earlier, but I didn't really give it a second thought until I read that forum post. Is it possible we'll hear something February-March? Maybe...
 
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WingsofBliss said:
That surprised me too, but then I haven't been keeping in touch with the anime enough to see how close he is to Froakie/Frogedier/Greninja compared to Pikachu.
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pikachu is mostly just there as a sort of big brother to the rest of the pokemon whose character development ended years ago and is just there because ash is. pikachu has a reason to be there given that he's the mascot of the series. ash on the other hand should have won the league in diamond & pearl and promptly been removed from the show rather then them just creating this guy whose only reason to exist was to keep ash from winning it
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also, all the development is more on greninja's side then ash's . ash never changes, his IQ & maturity just rises or drops at the beginning of each series
 
shadowmoon522 said:
greninja, the pokemon created more for ssb whle x&y was in devolpment, is more well recieved then pikachu at this point due to the fact that most are just sick of seeing the mascot everywhere.
that & they'd have had to drag out & update a lot of old footage again & go though a hell of lot of pikachu's memory's again

oh and they kind of already did a few of these unusual power up forms back in D&P
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The first one is Overgrow, and the second I think it's Dawn doing a contest performance.
WingsofBliss said:
That surprised me too, but then I haven't been keeping in touch with the anime enough to see how close he is to Froakie/Frogedier/Greninja compared to Pikachu.

Does anybody know if there's anything noteworthy Pokemon-related in this upcoming CoroCoro? I would assume some more stuff about Movie 19 and Volcanion.

EDIT: This person on another forum brought up a really interesting point:

https://forums.bulbagarden.net/inde...on-vi-the-future.169739/page-310#post-5739980
I remember seeing that tweet too earlier, but I didn't really give it a second thought until I read that forum post. Is it possible we'll hear something February-March? Maybe...
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I think March is most likely. Since Pt, B2W2, and Oras (and I think so were FrLg, Emerald, and HgSs too) were announced 4-6 months before their releases then a reveal in March for Z would mean a likely release between July and September. I think that an April release is more likely.
 
MarinoKadame said:
Kind of funny Greninja got picked to get that type of evolution over Pikachu.
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I don't think it's to do with Greninja being more important than Pikachu, because when Ash Greninja was revealed they said that the phenomenon had happened only once hundreds of years ago, and at first i thought that meant Az with his Floette, but now i think it happened at the Ninja village. *spoilers for anime ahead* Part of one of the titles for one of the upcoming xy & z episodes is "The Legend of the Hero Greninja" and that's the episode that 1) Frogadier evolves into Greninja and 2) Greninja changes into Ash-Greninja for the first time.

So this new way of changing may be specific to Greninja only and only even then to special Greninjas. Olympia basically said that Ash's Greninja is different to the others of his kind because his goal is single-mindedly growing stronger but he also wants to experience love from his trainer.

I'm interested to see if they'll incorporate this concept into the game. I would love a very specific storyline in the game where you're given a different Froakie (maybe Sycamore gives him to you because he keeps abandoning his trainer just like Ash's Froakie in the anime) and he/she eventually becomes Ash-Greninja (as a mega evolution, because in the anime Ash-Greninja has significant boost in his speed and power) and he's required to complete the story with Team Flare, etc. Because in the anime it really looks like Ash and his Greninja have an important role.

WingsofBliss said:
I remember seeing that tweet too earlier, but I didn't really give it a second thought until I read that forum post. Is it possible we'll hear something February-March? Maybe...
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I really hope late February?? By that stage Super Mystery Dungeon will have released here in Europe, RBY will be available for download, so it would make sense for them to start hyping a new game, right? Wishful thinking? :)
 
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From Ash-greninja, Serena's Eevee about to evolve into Sylveon and her upcoming Tripokalons, Team Rocket vs Team Flare, and.. the best one of em all, ASH VS ALAIN. Though I really wanted to see more of the Noibat episode coming on the 21st in January, Ash vs Shota, and Ash's gym battle with Wulfric, I guess they don't want to spoil ALL the good things to come in the year. And it seems because of this, the series is going to stay for quite a while, which I really like. I don't want the pacing to be so fast.. nor do I want it to drag out too long. We also have a character to consider here.. AZ. They have NEVER shown him in the anime before, and he's really important in the games. So.. knowing this, he might be locked up in the lower levels of Lysandre labs. If by some chance in the Noibat episode, if that Floette is none other than AZ's, then this should be foreshadowing AZ in the future. But knowing the writers, it'll probably be just a random Floette. And since Eevee is about to evolve later on in the month, it seems like Noibat won't be evolving from the hint that something WILL evolve which could be nice, Noibat hasn't gotten alot of development lately, and this would be perfect time to start it. I for one hope the battle between TR and TF will be intense, likening it to a war. And sooner or later, Alain will have to realize Lysandre's been using him as a toy all along in helping him with the "Mega Evolution energy system", which nobody knows what it looks like, but I feel it has to do something with the Ultimate weapon, and will want to exact his revenge by battling him alone. And when all else fails for Lysandre, will he use the Ultimate Weapon as a last ditch effort to end everything once and for all? Will Malva act as the next best leader for Team Flare as she still exists in the games after Lysandre destroyed the weapon.

I wonder if TR will still have the blue core, since at the moment, it seems Alain will have the chance to capture the 50% form for TF, and the red core is seperated from Bonnie,at the end, that is to say, if TR will show the same kind of affection to it that will make it feel comfortable to be around TR like how Puni-chan is to bonnie. So there is a reason why Team Rocket are pretty important to the arc: Even though ordered by Giovanni, they have to protect the blue core from Team Flare, an even bigger enemy. And if this arc's serious enough, once Lysandre is out of the way, both Alain and Marin will realize they've been used and tricked by Lysandre, and Marin won't get her Chespin cured in time. I really like to see where after both the cores form together into the Perfect form, Bonnie would be the first to come close to it, since she worries deeply about Puni-Chan, Zygarde recongizes her, and the great giant carries her. She feels happy yet at the same time,crying with joy. Maybe Marin would still be severely depressed if no nothing can save her Chespin, and it ends up very close on the brinks of death, or just died.. the only thing that can save it is Zygarde

I really want Ash to win the league and have his journey ended by at least 2017. As you all know 2017 is the anime's 20th anniversary, and since the 6th Generation as a whole has a theme of Life and Death, Beginning and End,1997 is when Ash started his journey in the anime, and 2017 should be when Ash ends his journey. And since they mention about the series taking a serious tone, something drastic should happen for Ash, as he would want to endure a tough and challenging situation mastering Ash-Greninja. He'll do it no matter how painful it is with his Greninja, even if it costs his life. It'll probably be similar to Bonnie in that she loves Puni-Chan so much she'll do everything she can to protect it, no matter how intense the situation is. Who knows,maybe Ash won't get a sixth Pokemon at all, and make history for XY being the series to end with Ash having a team of only 5 Pokemon as he did in the beginning of the indigo league. Ash has come a very long way in this, and his developement so far in the entire XY series has been great, nobody wants him going yet another region, find another female friend, and go up against another villanious team in the region, how will they make that series good and be better than the XY, XY and Z series?
 
GreninjAsh said:
I don't think it's to do with Greninja being more important than Pikachu, because when Ash Greninja was revealed they said that the phenomenon had happened only once hundreds of years ago, and at first i thought that meant Az with his Floette, but now i think it happened at the Ninja village. *spoilers for anime ahead* Part of one of the titles for one of the upcoming xy & z episodes is "The Legend of the Hero Greninja" and that's the episode that 1) Frogadier evolves into Greninja and 2) Greninja changes into Ash-Greninja for the first time.

So this new way of changing may be specific to Greninja only and only even then to special Greninjas. Olympia basically said that Ash's Greninja is different to the others of his kind because his goal is single-mindedly growing stronger but he also wants to experience love from his trainer.

I'm interested to see if they'll incorporate this concept into the game. I would love a very specific storyline in the game where you're given a different Froakie (maybe Sycamore gives him to you because he keeps abandoning his trainer just like Ash's Froakie in the anime) and he/she eventually becomes Ash-Greninja (as a mega evolution, because in the anime Ash-Greninja has significant boost in his speed and power) and he's required to complete the story with Team Flare, etc. Because in the anime it really looks like Ash and his Greninja have an important role.



I really hope late February?? By that stage Super Mystery Dungeon will have released here in Europe, RBY will be available for download, so it would make sense for them to start hyping a new game, right? Wishful thinking? :)
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I think it'll be in late March or April, as Pokken will be released (I think world wide) in late March. That'll possibly leave GO as the only announced Pokémon project yet to come, so that'll be a great chance to reveal Z, especially as GO is said to be able to connect to the main games somehow.
 
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