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evilcheese

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    Garchomp (♂) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Sand Veil
    EVs: 252 Atk/224 Spd/32 SDef
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -Def)
    - Outrage
    - Fire Blast
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge

    my favorite lead this thing is a monster.
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    Gyarados (♂) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 212 HP/16 Atk/180 Def/100 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Dragon Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Taunt
    - Waterfall

    standard i beleive. easy to run i love taunting things like bliss.
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    Heatran (♂) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 52 HP/224 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Fire Blast
    - Explosion
    - Earth Power

    my heavy hitter destroys alot of junk.
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    Forretress (♂) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP/60 Atk/196 Def
    Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Earthquake
    - Gyro Ball
    - Spikes
    - Rapid Spin

    standard again should i keep zap cannon?
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    Blissey @ Leftovers
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 148 HP/252 DEF/104 sp.att/4 sp.def
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Aromatherapy / Thunderwave
    - Softboiled
    - Seismic Toss
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    Swampert @ leftovers
    Relaxed Nature
    EVs: 240 HP/212 DEF/56 SP.ATT
    Ability: Torrent
    - Ice Beam / Hidden power Electric
    - Hydro pump
    - Earthquake
    - Roar
     
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    evilcheese said:
    Garchomp (♂) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Sand Veil
    EVs: 252 Atk/224 Spd/32 SDef
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Outrage
    - Fire Fire
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge

    my favorite lead this thing is a monster.

    Lonely is just silly. I wouldn't lead with this, as it will be obvious that it's a scarfchomp...not to mention how common Hippowdon is as a lead.

    Gyarados (♂) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 212 HP/16 Atk/180 Def/100 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Dragon Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Taunt
    - Waterfall

    standard i beleive. easy to run i love taunting things like bliss.

    Why would a Blissey try to take on Gyarados anyways? >.>

    Heatran (♂) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 52 HP/252 Spd/204 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Flamethrower / Fire Blast
    - Explosion / Hidden Power [Grass / Electric]
    - Earth Power

    my heavy hitter destroys alot of junk.

    Dark Pulse is no. STAB Fire blast outdamages it.

    Forretress (♂) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP/60 Atk/196 Def
    Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake / Gyro Ball
    - Rest / Gyro Ball
    - Spikes
    - Rapid Spin

    standard again should i keep zap cannon?

    No.

    Raikou @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: different EVs
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Substitute
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    yeah evs are so random calm mind and stuff. roar was for my lack of phazer. if someone could give me a better set (with roar. or even just a mixed walling phazer would be good.

    Raikou needs sub this gen or scarfers just kill you. Def on Raikou is a joke.

    Milotic (♂) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Marvel Scale
    EVs: 252 HP/172 Def/80 SDef
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Surf
    - Hypnosis
    - Recover

    lol this old thing is pretty good if there is a better special wall that gos better with this team c(uz half my team is bolt beam weak) just tell me.

    This team is very boltbeam weak indeed.

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    Honestly a pretty bad team. A fast Boltbeamer such as Starmie will just eat up your team.

    this team is terribly weak defensively. No way to beat almost all common threats, which is a bad thing.
     
    evilcheese said:
    Garchomp (♂) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Sand Veil
    EVs: 252 Atk/224 Spd/32 SDef
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -Def)
    - Outrage
    - Fire Blast
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge

    Adamant does the same as lonely, it still 2hkos Skarmory and forry, so Lonely just cuts your defenses for no reason
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    Gyarados (♂) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 212 HP/16 Atk/180 Def/100 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Dragon Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Taunt
    - Waterfall

    Yep
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    Heatran (♂) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs224 / 252 SP.ATT / 32 HP
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Fire Blast
    - Explosion / Hidden power Grass / Hidden power Electric
    - Earth Power

    Dark pulse is lol, Fire Blast does more, even when its dark pulse is super effective.


    Explosion to take out blissey, Hidden power Grass for swampert and other bulky ground or water types, Hidden power Electric for Gyarados and bulky waters.

    Change your evs around, you need more speed, 224 and timid is what it needs to outrun Adamant Heracross.


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    Forretress (♂) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP/60 Atk/196 Def
    Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Zap Cannon
    - Spikes
    - Rapid Spin

    fine
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    Raikou @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 64 hp / 96 sp.att / 96 sp.def / 252 Spd
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Substitute
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    LULWUT ?

    Make your evs better, this makes him DO HIS PROPER JOB which is not PHazing, as in Calm minding behind subs and sweeping.

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    Milotic (♂) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Marvel Scale
    EVs: 148 HP/ 240 Def/ 120 sp.att
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam / Hidden power Electric
    - Surf
    - Hypnosis / Light Screen
    - Recover

    needs More def, id consider Hidden power Electric as your rather Taunt Gyarados weak.

    Light Screen >> Hypnosis, if you want sp.def, dont invest sp.def evs, there are better places to put them on Milotic.
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    Oh dear, well specs mence rapes you.


    Changes are in bold
     
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    Originally posted by Anti-Pop
    Fire Fire
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    ... ?

    Milotic needs Maxed Defense. Meep, Zap Cannon @_@ Nuuu!!! Zap Cannon will not hit much to begin with, and if it does, it barely does any damage. Zap Cannon on Foretress is really stretching it.
     
    yeah edited and stuff. i replaced milotic and raikou. if i could find a nice special walling phazer maybe riakou could be an option. anyone know what i could put in the spots?

    would blissey help this team?

    if blissey then maybe mixpert with roar ro go with it?
     
    evilcheese said:
    yeah edited and stuff. i replaced milotic and raikou. if i could find a nice special walling phazer maybe riakou could be an option. anyone know what i could put in the spots?

    would blissey help this team?

    if blissey then maybe mixpert with roar ro go with it?
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    Yes


    Blissey@Leftovers
    148 HP / 252 DEF / 104 sp.att / 4 sp.def
    Bold Nature
    Trait : Natural Cure
    - Ice Beam
    - Aromatherapy / Thunderwave
    - Softboiled
    - Seismic Toss


    Swampert@leftovers
    240 HP / 212 DEF / 56 SP.ATT
    Relaxed Nature
    - Ice Beam / Hidden power Electric
    - Hydro pump
    - Earthquake
    - Roar



    You need a gyarados counter though so Hidden power Electric on swampy
     
    clade. said:
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    ... ?

    Milotic needs Maxed Defense. Meep, Zap Cannon @_@ Nuuu!!! Zap Cannon will not hit much to begin with, and if it does, it barely does any damage. Zap Cannon on Foretress is really stretching it.
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    Man, people cannot take a typo these daysd.

    I meant Fire Fang.

    Zap Cannon actually will counter Gyarados, but has little usage outside of that so yeah.
     
    thanks for the set azelf. oh and anti-pop may i share a quote from you the first time i used forry? you said this after i said zap cannon was lol becuase of its low accuracy.

    Anti-Pop said:
    You just don't listen, do you? ZAP CANNON IS FOR COUNTERING GYARADOS. People used hypnosis in ADV and it had 60 accuracy :/
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    evilcheese said:
    thanks for the set azelf. oh and anti-pop may i share a quote from you the first time i used forry? you said this after i said zap cannon was lol becuase of its low accuracy.
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    That's because I hate when people totally disregard Zap Cannon. I by no means actually like that option, that is more for people being closed-minded.

    Zap Cannon isn't "lol" by any means. It just isn't that great.

    ^BTW opinions change over time.
     
    I hope this thread isn't dead >.<

    well ill the sets any more suggestions?
     
    dont have time to stop and rate, but just gotta say Scarfchomp lead will be eaten by hippowdon and Ice Sharding Donphan
     
    i can use a new tactic called switching in.:P
     
    evilcheese said:
    i can use a new tactic called switching in.:P
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    Let's use an even better tactic called "use a better lead." you have plenty of capable pokemon :/

    Also don't act like he's totally stupid, he was actually right :/
     
    how about i lead with the old porygon z?
     
    i meant replace my scarfchomp.
     
    What I mean is that you have competent leads on your team already like Swampert and Gyarados.
     
    so should i lead with gyrados instead to beat hippo?
     
    Swampert I think will fit in better because of his ability to stop bulkyness, and stone edge takes care of Gyara leads as well it can also take care of Hippo and deal good damange to skarm.
     
    my swampert doesnt have stone edge but i think ill go for HP [electric].
     
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