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Your View of God

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  • I saw a thread like this on another forum so I will borrow it.
    What are your views on god? Do you think he/she/it is the the highest of beings? Do you think there is one, or many? Do you think god is ancient mans perception of aliens? Or do not believe in a supreme being at all, and think we all just are? please discuss, oh and be civil and respect other peoples views.
     

    HarrisonH

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    My view of a god in general: There's no evidence of one, and as such I have no belief in one.

    As for my view of the god of the Old Testament, I'll have to agree with Richard Dawkins:
     
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  • All myth is based on some truth, that being said religon, beliefs w/e you want to call it is subjective and shouldnt be force fed to people or be argued to who is right. Everyone is entitled to believe without fear of judgement. I personaly enjoy the idea that aliens helped acient civilizations accomplish alot of those amazing feats. Thats just me tho!
     

    G-Virus

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  • I am Christian, but aside from faith I do have other reasons to believe in Him.
    Acts 14:17 says, "Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy."
    Aside from the fact that He provides for our needs (even if you don't believe in Him), creation clearly shows that there was and is a Creator. Everything in the universe is to well perfectly placed and balanced and everything on our planet is to well designed for it to have been a random cause of a random explosion. Even simple celled organisms are amazingly designed.
    I don't believe God is cruel, but I do believe He is strict, just, but fair and merciful. He is also loving. Heck, He sent His only Son Jesus (which basically means God Himself died for usas God is Jesus and Jesus is God. Dont ask for an explanation, cause even I dont get it) to die for us, if thats not a demonstration of love, then I don't know what is.

    *I apologize for any typos, I'm typing this from my iPhone*
     

    Gymnotide

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  • I am 60% sure that this thread exists somewhere already. However, I'll answer it regardless.

    In my personal view of deities, I am atheistic. This means that I do not believe in the existence of a god or gods. I feel this way because there is no sound proof that convinces me otherwise. In addition, most of the qualities attributed to deities feel anthropomorphized; most religions explain this by stating that god(s) created man in his/her/its/their likeness, but this is outweighed by the amount of un-compelling answers about deities that are provided time after time. Again, personally, based off of prior education, I believe that gods arose from man's desire for explanation of the natural realm. Before science, it was commonplace to explain aspects of life in terms of the supernatural; without science, even the most basic of things, like air and fire, can be astounding. As a result, this is why deities in ancient times unambiguously embodied the primal elements (as well as things so fundamental as emotion).

    I cite this time and time again, but--We have Thor, the god of strength whose enchanted hammer becomes a lightning bolt when thrown, Zeus, the sky-god of the Greeks whose ability to cause rain was renowned across the Mediterranean, Izanagi and Izanami, once lovers turned agents of creation and death, Set, the god whose likeness embodied the darkness and storms of deserts, among others. It's no coincidence that every culture worldwide had deities who embodied the elements, which leads me to strongly suspect that they not only controlled the elements, but were the elements, deified. Thor is lightning, Zeus is rain, Izanagi and Izanami are life and death, and Set is desert plague. Eris is strife, Kvasir is inspiration, Ereshkigal is the passage between life and death, Pluto is Greed, Persephone is springtime, Cybele is nature. It's as simple as that.

    However, once enough lore comes about, it makes sense that more and more gods arise out of story-crafting. The reason why Cerberos exists is because Hades needed a watchdog. The reason why Lif and Lifthrasir exist is because they needed to become the next human race after Ragnarokr. Following this, all cultures, in Greek / Roman mythos in particular, have a trend of combining aspects of gods together. We originally had Athena, goddess of war prowess, and Nike, goddess of victory--the two slowly fused identities and became one deity. We had Venus, goddess of beauty and love, and Cloacina, an Etruscan goddess--the Romans ultimately opted to combine the two of them.

    Therefore, my view of the monotheistic-common God of modern day is that He is the combination of many different gods together. It's absolutely no coincidence that he carries the traits of many Western deities, and the stories in the Bible closely correlate to seemingly unrelated cultures.
     

    G-Virus

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  • ^ Of course, the only reason we humans have done those things is because we are wired to worship something. People who didn't know the true God always looked for an answer because thats the way we are made. Even if yoi dont believe in God, or in anything like that for that matter, youre going to idolize something.
     

    HarrisonH

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    I am Christian, but aside from faith I do have other reasons to believe in Him.
    Acts 14:17 says, "Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy."
    Aside from the fact that He provides for our needs (even if you don't believe in Him), creation clearly shows that there was and is a Creator. Everything in the universe is to well perfectly placed and balanced and everything on our planet is to well designed for it to have been a random cause of a random explosion. Even simple celled organisms are amazingly designed.
    I don't believe God is cruel, but I do believe He is strict, just, but fair and merciful. He is also loving. Heck, He sent His only Son Jesus (which basically means God Himself died for usas God is Jesus and Jesus is God. Dont ask for an explanation, cause even I dont get it) to die for us, if thats not a demonstration of love, then I don't know what is.

    *I apologize for any typos, I'm typing this from my iPhone*
    99.99999999...% of the universe is deadly to humans. Over 70% of the Earth's surface is inhabitable by humans. I'm not quite sure where this "obvious design" or "balance" is. This quote explains it well:

    Right now, it is raining methane on Titan. The planet Uranus, apparently trying to live up to it's name, is orbiting the sun sideways, while Venus spins backwards. There are stars exploding, black holes gorging, galaxies colliding.

    And here we sit, on a planet pock-marked by collisions, rocked by earthquakes, shaken by storms. A planet doomed to be fried in radiation as it's magnetic fields collapse, until finally the sun grows into a red giant and leaves nothing of the Earth but dust.

    Here we sit, glasses on our noses, inhalers in our pockets, braces on our teeth, waiting to die as our heart muscle expires, our cells decide to grow forever, or a blood vessel just pops, and sometimes in unnatural ways, too.

    Here we sit, and some of us say, behold, look at the order of it all.

    Pretty much everything you said is a faith-based assumption, not grounded in any sort of observable facts. In fact, the observable facts contradict everything you said. It all comes from your faith that everything that the Bible says is true, which is only said... in the Bible.

    You say you don't believe that your god is cruel, but the Bible itself contains much cruelty from god.

    Exodus 4:23
    Exodus 13:15
    Exodus 20:5
    Isaiah 14:21
    Joshua 24:19
    Jeremiah 14:12
    Deuteronomy 32:39-42
    Numbers 11:1
    Micah 5:15
    Leviticus 26:29

    I could go on and on and on and on. There's a massive list here, which is in relation to the above video.
     

    G-Virus

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  • Balanced as in the sense of stuff like our planet being the perfect distance away from the sun to support our life on earth. The universe was never meant to be colonized by humans, and nor are the other planets we know of. Our other solar system's planets are there influence the balance of our planet so we wont go all over the place (and for our own amusement for that matter).

    Exodus 4:23 is stating that Israel as a nation is God's "firstborn son" or in other words his people. God had given pharaoh numerous chances to release Israel from his opression (the Israelites were in slavery under pharoh). Because pharaoh refused to obey God, justice had to be done. I don't think God meant firstborn son as in an actual biological son but Pharohs kingdom.

    Exodus 13:15- Yes. Did you also know that the Egyptians killed the Israelite's firstborns to prevent them from growing in number? That's justice for you there!

    Exodus 20:5- I do believe that God says he will show mercy and love those who obey Him keep His commands after He says He will punish those who don't. Is not punishment necessary for those who break the law?


    I don't feel like analyzing the whole list you put, but I hope I've made it clear that God has a just reason fir punishing and what now or doingthe things He does.
     

    Gymnotide

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  • ^ Of course, the only reason we humans have done those things is because we are wired to worship something. People who didn't know the true God always looked for an answer because thats the way we are made. Even if yoi dont believe in God, or in anything like that for that matter, youre going to idolize something.

    The main difference between modern worship and ancient worship is that modern worship tends to idolize an intangible being, while ancient focuses on the readily observable. This is a big enough difference to say that worship isn't the same at all. A lot of ancient religions weren't about how humans were made (or even why humans are the way they are), but the essence of being itself, i.e. primal cosmology straight down to the elements and actual composition. Modern religion is more morally engrained (though that's not much consolation for me).

    "True God" seems a bit blunt.
     

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  • I'm Roman Catholic and believe in God, and stand strong by that belief. I believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit, therefore I believe in the Holy Trinity. My belief stands strong no matter how much proof of atheism I read or hear.

    I respect other beliefs, don't worry. I have a Mormon and half Muslim friend and I respect them. So no need to worry about me converting you whatsoever. I'm here to talk about Pokemon, not to convert XD
     

    Gymnotide

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  • I'm Roman Catholic and believe in God, and stand strong by that belief. I believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit, therefore I believe in the Holy Trinity. My belief stands strong no matter how much proof of atheism I read or hear.

    I respect other beliefs, don't worry. I have a Mormon and half Muslim friend and I respect them. So no need to worry about me converting you whatsoever. I'm here to talk about Pokemon, not to convert XD

    Nitpicking: Atheism isn't something one "proves" because you can't prove a lack of belief.
     

    G-Virus

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  • @Gymnotide: If by readily observable you mean worshiping a statue, then that's because it was man made. Jehovah God actually revealed Himself to the Israelites in pillar of fire and clouds. He even does it now, except not in the spectacular way as before, cause then we'd believe cause we saw instead of by faith. Before you say I contradicted myself there, most of the Israelites had faith that the God they followed and worshipped was real (they hadn't seen Him yet), which then God showed God power to them, as He does now with the ones who believe in Him.
     

    HarrisonH

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    Well, I was about to go to bed, then I saw you replied.

    Balanced as in the sense of stuff like our planet being the perfect distance away from the sun to support our life on earth. The universe was never meant to be colonized by humans, and nor are the other planets we know of. Our other solar system's planets are there influence the balance of our planet so we wont go all over the place (and for our own amusement for that matter).
    Apparently you know nothing about astronomy or physics.

    Earth is not the "perfect distance away from the sun". Earth is at its nearest point to the sun in early January, and at its furthest point in early July. The difference in the distance from the sun at these two points? Over three million miles.

    The thought "our other solar system's planets are there influence the balance of our planet so we wont go all over the place" is absolutely laughable. The other planets have such a small pull on our Earth that were they to suddenly disappear, Earth would continue orbiting the Sun just as it has been.

    Exodus 4:23 is stating that Israel as a nation is God's "firstborn son" or in other words his people. God had given pharaoh numerous chances to release Israel from his opression (the Israelites were in slavery under pharoh). Because pharaoh refused to obey God, justice had to be done. I don't think God meant firstborn son as in an actual biological son but Pharohs kingdom.
    I'll give you this one.

    Exodus 13:15- Yes. Did you also know that the Egyptians killed the Israelite's firstborns to prevent them from growing in number? That's justice for you there!
    What about "Turn the other cheek"? If Jesus was god (as you said earlier), he'd be contradicting himself. He'd have changed, which completely goes against the concept of the "perfect" god that he is supposed to be.

    Exodus 20:5- I do believe that God says he will show mercy and love those who obey Him keep His commands after He says He will punish those who don't. Is not punishment necessary for those who break the law?
    I'm trying to see how that's related at all to the verse, which states that God would punish the children (4 generations down the line! Great-great-great-grandchildren!) for the sins of the parents.

    As for "Is punishment necessary": Yes, as long as it fits the crime. Punishing someone who does not believe in a being with absolutely no evidence for existing with torture for eternity is not a fitting punishment.

    I don't feel like analyzing the whole list you put, but I hope I've made it clear that God has a just reason fir punishing and what now or doingthe things He does.
    No, you haven't.

    Also, fun fact while we're on Exodus: The book of Exodus has absolutely no standing as historical fact. Most biblical scholars don't even consider it fact, instead they see it as just a story that tells of a god's ways.
     
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  • I don't really care if god exists or not. Hmm, I'll go with:
    "What can be asserted without proof, can be discounted without proof." -Christopher Hitchens. (Not sure if I remember the name correctly).
     

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    Always go with Pascal's Wager when it comes to this. That's me at least.
    But my view of god is obstructed by a gigantic goddamn tree with a sign that says 'logic'.
     
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    FreakyLocz14

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    I believe that God is the creator of the universes, and the creator of all things.
     

    Blue Nocturne

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    I have a Mormon and half Muslim friend and I respect them.

    How can you be half a religion?

    I don't believe in any kind of God, the idea of one just doesn't add up to me, historically or scientifically. Having said that, if anyone wants to show me any kind of concrete evidence that a God exists, go ahead.

    See HarrisonH's posts for my general attitude to religion, though I keep my opinions quite unless the subject is debate or someone annoys me.
     

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    If there's a god that created the universe then he probably would not be meddling with one tiny little planet in a little galaxy in the tiniest corner of the universe. I don't believe in divine intervention. Laws of the universe don't change for some infinitesimal speck.

    But I don't see the need to prove or disprove this god. He's not going to do anything about us. But I still doubt such a one would exist.


    Should I be amazed that this thread has already started a debate?
     
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    Shining Raichu

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  • I don't believe in any God. I've yet to see one shred of valid evidence that any of them exist.

    But if he did exist, my view of him would be some disgustingly prejudiced and contradictory old being who created a universe and gave people natural instincts and impulses for the sole purpose of testing how well they can resist them. The prize for those successful? Eternal life!
     
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    i think there is only one god.
    & that your religion or belief is just a different of reaching him.
    (:
     
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