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Yugioh and the current meatgame. Discussion

Oooookay this thread is kinda old... let's start something.

The decklist for the top 8 winners in the recent YGO tournament in Boston!

As suggested, let's talk about the Different Dimension Capsule, a surprisingly slow-paced tech card that is used in the winner's deck. Personally, I still have to read more battle logs to see if it actually ever got used. I read part of the battles, but I never see the Capsule coming into play yet.

Most of the time he wins because of some very clever strategy of using D.Duo more than once, and discards the opponent's important cards (luck? maybe). The other play must be how he put gambits into play, such as risking Heavy Storm in facedown as the only card in play, just for buffing. I don't think capsule really did that much at all, but he wins because of skill and not because of some original ideas in the tech section.
 
frostweaver said:
Oooookay this thread is kinda old... let's start something.

The decklist for the top 8 winners in the recent YGO tournament in Boston!

As suggested, let's talk about the Different Dimension Capsule, a surprisingly slow-paced tech card that is used in the winner's deck. Personally, I still have to read more battle logs to see if it actually ever got used. I read part of the battles, but I never see the Capsule coming into play yet.

Most of the time he wins because of some very clever strategy of using D.Duo more than once, and discards the opponent's important cards (luck? maybe). The other play must be how he put gambits into play, such as risking Heavy Storm in facedown as the only card in play, just for buffing. I don't think capsule really did that much at all, but he wins because of skill and not because of some original ideas in the tech section.
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Different Dimension Capusle is a impressive card. I used it before it it gave good results. It's sorta like Wave Montion Cannon. It a target for yor opponent'a Mystical Space Typoon or Heavy Storm, etc. It is to mainly to get a bad top deck. Cards that require a 1-2 avdtange. Lightning Vortex, Deliqluent Duo, Raigeki Break, etc. Mainly Discards cards. It deck thins and gives you a card if you can keep it on a field. It's basically used as a target to destroy. And it's good for cost cards. Not to be usedm uch for Pot of Greed or Mystical Space Typoon. But cards like Lightning Vortex. Cards that help, but not too much just in case it gets destroyed.

Brain Long.

His Decklist.

Brian Long

Monsters: 16
1 Tribe-Infecting Virus
1 Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
2 Magician of Faith
1 D. D. Warrior Lady
1 Tsukuyomi
1 Exarion Universe
1 Sangan
2 Airknight Parshath
1 Asura Priest
1 Spirit Reaper
1 Sinister Serpent
1 Breaker the Magical Warrior
1 Injection Fairy Lily
1 D. D. Assailant

Spells: 17
1 Different Dimension Capsule
2 Metamorphosis
1 Snatch Steal
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Graceful Charity
1 Heavy Storm
1 Brain Control
1 Lightning Vortex
1 Book of Moon
2 Scapegoat
1 Premature Burial
1 Pot of Greed
1 Delinquent Duo
2 Nobleman of Crossout

Traps: 7
3 Sakuretsu Armor
1 Ring of Destruction
1 Call of the Haunted
1 Mirror Force
1 Torrential Tribute

Side Deck:
3 Dust Tornado
1 Wave-Motion Cannon
1 Chain Disappearance
2 Mobius the Frost Monarch
1 Chiron the Mage
1 Mystic Swordsman LV2
3 Waboku
1 Ceasefire
1 Royal Decree
1 Jinzo

If it was up tp me. I would have done basically.
-Sakretsu Armor
+1 Bottomless Trap Hole./Dust Torando
Jinzo being side decked. That's intresting. He knows unlike most duelists that Jinzo may ruin his trap list. It was very smart to do.

Apprently, I like his deck, It's stragetic. Organized and he really deserved to win.

I wonder what will be used on October 10th in the next tournament. Epsacilly with the new format. A lot of new tech.
 
Injection Fairy Lily is a very smart move as well. I planned it in an Ocean Deck even though it's not related to Ocean at all, and I think Long is thinking about the same thing. Lily can get by all stall cards (Level Limit Area B, Gravity Bind, Messenger of Peace) with a powerful attack too if the cost is affordable. It can easily finish off those stall deck as a last attack. You know that those decks don't have anything like sakuretsu armor because they rely on those 3 listed trap/magic cards for the defense.

I think that Jinzo is sidedecked because it's never that hard to steal one. There's almost always one for the enemy, and since the opponent stopped traps, it's impossible to stop you from stealing Jinzo if you got the snatch steal/brain control.

I guess that capsule can stall out MST just as well, but deck thinning at the risk of losing Lightning Vortex is pretty bad. Lightning Vortex is seriously a lot better than deck thinning in my opinion...

I don't see how his deck is that much different from everyone else's deck, except Jinzo being in the sidedeck and different dimension capsule... Like what I said before, it's his decision making ability that wins. He buffed regarding his magic/trap card quite a few times, and most of the time it worked very well.


Another question now:

-what's with DDWL facedown along with one magic/trap card being considered as "the best opening move" for the player who goes first (excluding pot + duo + graceful + sangan start)? Afterall, it's not unlikely to have DDWL wasted due to Nobleman so early on...
 
frostweaver said:
Injection Fairy Lily is a very smart move as well. I planned it in an Ocean Deck even though it's not related to Ocean at all, and I think Long is thinking about the same thing. Lily can get by all stall cards (Level Limit Area B, Gravity Bind, Messenger of Peace) with a powerful attack too if the cost is affordable. It can easily finish off those stall deck as a last attack. You know that those decks don't have anything like sakuretsu armor because they rely on those 3 listed trap/magic cards for the defense.

I think that Jinzo is sidedecked because it's never that hard to steal one. There's almost always one for the enemy, and since the opponent stopped traps, it's impossible to stop you from stealing Jinzo if you got the snatch steal/brain control.

I guess that capsule can stall out MST just as well, but deck thinning at the risk of losing Lightning Vortex is pretty bad. Lightning Vortex is seriously a lot better than deck thinning in my opinion...
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Exactly right about Jinzo. Espacilly with monster removal cards too. Different Dimensin Capsule mainly take out costs cards . Don't know why. But Vortex is not always that great since it destroys face ups.
frostweaver said:
I don't see how his deck is that much different from everyone else's deck, except Jinzo being in the sidedeck and different dimension capsule... Like what I said before, it's his decision making ability that wins. He buffed regarding his magic/trap card quite a few times, and most of the time it worked very well.


Another question now:

-what's with DDWL facedown along with one magic/trap card being considered as "the best opening move" for the player who goes first (excluding pot + duo + graceful + sangan start)? Afterall, it's not unlikely to have DDWL wasted due to Nobleman so early on...
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His deck is different in many ways. He use Injection. And different cards. 3 Sakaretsu Armors. His deck is more Defense than offense and it's quick.
 
Zaikiro said:
His deck is different in many ways. He use Injection. And different cards. 3 Sakaretsu Armors. His deck is more Defense than offense and it's quick.
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Besides Lily, Jinzo and Capsule, the rest are just number-changing...
 
frostweaver said:
Besides Lily, Jinzo and Capsule, the rest are just number-changing...
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I must agree..... To most players it's like a unwritten rule to not use more than 40 cards. Different numbers but always nembers of cards all thogether.
What else is there to talk about?....BLS vs CED? Holy Clamity?
 
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You mean, it's always those same cards all over again, just that I may have 1 book of moon and 2 metamorphsis, while you have 2 book of moon and 1 metamorphsis...

Just number changing... eww...

Wave Motion Cannon for the win!
 
frostweaver said:
You mean, it's always those same cards all over again, just that I may have 1 book of moon and 2 metamorphsis, while you have 2 book of moon and 1 metamorphsis...

Just number changing... eww...

Wave Motion Cannon for the win!
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No. Everyone does 40 and basicallt the lineup 17/18/5 Monster, Spell, Traps.

And do you think a mod is needed here? I was thnking of making a thread.
 
and that's a lot more different because....



the point is, it's the same cards. I don't care how many of each are used, or what's the monster-spell-trap ratio, but it's still the same cards almost all the time anyway...
 
frostweaver said:
and that's a lot more different because....
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Not much really.
frostweaver said:
the point is, it's the same cards. I don't care how many of each are used, or what's the monster-spell-trap ratio, but it's still the same cards almost all the time anyway...
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From what you been posting. You have been basically been talking about chaos decks.
 
*bumps this old thread

well, the new ban list came out yesterday. the list is available in the TCG News thread.

what does everyone think of it? now i haven't played enough big games in the meta to know exactly what this will do. but here's an opinion someone more experienced than i posted in a YGO message board:
No matter what UDE did, there were going to be people who would not like the changes coming.

People would moan that BLS "isn't so broken".
People would *censored* why drawing two cards in a game with no resource management is ban worthy.
People would complain that one type got unfairly helped

The point is that you can't please everyone all the time. UDE did what they did to further the greater good of the game. This will not kill it, this won't even harm the game... trust me...

We are not going to slip into beatdown decks again, we know how to combat them too well now.

Zombies have some fundamental problems that are going to keep them low teir. VLord decks will pop again and will be very solid, though a Control version will probably be the version to run (This one takes me back and makes me wish for Crush Card). Soul Control got a go ahead light. Warrior Rush/Aggro is good to go. Beast/Beast Warrior decks will be very good and I actually expect them to be the one of the first tier 1 decks. Spellcasters go low Tier 1-2 in January, they can go higher depending on the build. Dark Realm will be a playable deck. Exodia will be around initially. Stall Burn has come back with a serious Vengance and will be a considerable force to SB against. Ben Kai decks are unscathed, though much can tip against them... E-Heroes will be a Tier 3 fusion deck with some promise... Hell last Turn might pop up once or twice in the early tournies. Type decks will see significant more play; Light will possibly get a good run, Water decks have a strong lead as is, Fire would be nice to see, Earth has a a lot of strong support. If we get the Gadgets, Tricky + Tricky Magic, and Fiend Sanctuary; we'd have like 3-5 more deck types open up.

This new format is only as limited as the people who play in it...
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I actually like Pot being banned. If it's absolutely in *every* deck then whatever that card is, it should be banned immediately. For the sake of forcing people to dig up their own tech cards, those staples need to be destroyed and done with.

I'm not too familiar with YGO trends either, and I only know a few of those deck types listed in that quote. I foresee the same thing awhile ago regarding the decks that I know, but I'm not too sure about spellcasters being tier 1 at all. To me, they are probably tier 2. Otherwise, I agree with it regarding the deck types that I know of. I don't know what's the Dark Realm deck, and what's the Ben Kai deck, so no comment on those two.

*Hmmph!*
 
*Hugs PikaPika! for reviving this thread*

Frostweaver, what happened to *Want's a hug*

I must agree with the beatdown thing. It is known too well. I really think one of these 3 will be the new tier 1.
Phoenix
Arrgo
Warriors.

frostweaver said:
I don't know what's the Dark Realm deck, and what's the Ben Kai deck, so no comment on those two.

*Hmmph!*
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Ben Kai https://www.metagame.com/yugioh.aspx?tabid=33&ArticleId=2543
Dark Realm https://www.pojo.com/yu-gi-oh/FeaturedWriters/SiphonX/2005/9-19.shtml

Back to PikaPika! question. I have to say this is the best yet. We just have to see how it goes first. This new list will make the format more chllanging than ever. Oringally may be made agian.(Until everyone see the decks of the top 8 at the next SJC tournament) But still, new ideas may come up. The meta will be hard creative. I do disagree with limiting "Thousand Eyes Restrict" though. I think it should have been banned. With it's stall effect, it's like Fiber Jar.

Mabye the Sixth Sense will come. Even though it's banned in Asia.
 
Well surely by now everyone saw the correct banlist for North America.

D. D. Assailant is neither restricted or limited (sees Phoenix wailing in the corner), so any thoughts to the upcoming 3 D. D. Assailant + 1 DD Warrior Lady near-staple in every deck?

*Hmmph!*
 
frostweaver said:
Well surely by now everyone saw the correct banlist for North America.

D. D. Assailant is neither restricted or limited (sees Phoenix wailing in the corner), so any thoughts to the upcoming 3 D. D. Assailant + 1 DD Warrior Lady near-staple in every deck?

*Hmmph!*
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I'm for one. I not doing that. I will be using D.D Warrior Lady. But 3 D.D Assailant o__O? No way. They are simiply overrated. It would have been nice to have Witch of the Black Forest unbanned though.
 
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How's D. D. Assailant overrated anyway... 1700 atk isn't bad, and it removes anything with a higher attack power than 1700. Being a warrior on top of it all makes everything even more valuable for him...

Insane removal power O_o;

I'm against unbanning Witch... if there's cards out there that's in absolutely every single deck in play, just like Pot of Greed, then those cards deserve to be banned, and stay banned.

*Hmmph!*
 
frostweaver said:
How's D. D. Assailant overrated anyway... 1700 atk isn't bad, and it removes anything with a higher attack power than 1700. Being a warrior on top of it all makes everything even more valuable for him...

Insane removal power O_o;

I'm against unbanning Witch... if there's cards out there that's in absolutely every single deck in play, just like Pot of Greed, then those cards deserve to be banned, and stay banned.

*Hmmph!*
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It is too overplayed and overlooked. I don't know which game promo card is better. D.D Assilant or Sinister Seprent?



Player A 7000 Player B 4,400
Player A has BLS.
Player B has Cyber End Dragon.

Player A Has just removed Dark Magican of Chaos from play.

Player B plays the Shien Spy and gives control of Cyber End Dragon
Player B normal Summon D.D Assilant
Player B then atacks with D.D Assilant.
Player A knows he cannot activate Divine Wrath because D.D Assilant effect is not choice activated.

Then Player B plays Return from a Different Dimension. Special summoning Cyber End Dragon.D.D Assilant and Dark Magican of Chaos.

Player A 7,000 Player B 1,050 now.

Dark Magican of Chaos effect activates so Player B and gets Limter Removal. Player B activates it and Cyber End Dragon is 8,000 atk.

Player B delcares a atack or Black Luster Soldier Envoy the Beginning with Cyber End Dragon .
Player A 2,000 Player B 1,050

Dark Magican of Chaos atacks directly.

Game :cool:

It's powerful. D:
 
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^WAY TOO SITUATIONAL......

DD Assailant SHOULD have been at least semi-limited...it's WAY too powerful...and DD Warrior Lady was limited, but it's better since you have a choice...

Witch is too powerful to be unbanned...

frostweaver, NO. If a card is so useful that everyone uses it it shouldn't necessarily be banned. That CAN NOT be the way that UDE makes the banlist. Besides, if that was the case, then Sangan would have come off the banlist and Reinforcement of the Army would be gone.
 
Even reinforcement of the army is not comparable with the staple-ness of Pot of Greed. Not absolutely every deck will use Reinforcement of the Army, because there are decks that use no warriors, such as zombies, toons, fiends and blah blah blahs. Pot of Greed fits *everywhere* as there's just absolutely no way for it to be destructive to any deck. At least Reinforcement is a dead draw for decks without warriors.

Witch is the same manner. What kind of decks don't use even one monster whose defese value is lower than 1500?

Of course, banlist aren't basedly solely on this system, but this is and should very well be part of the formation of the banlist

*Hmmph!*
 
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