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Yugioh and the current meatgame. Discussion

Sixth Sense = Trap version of *SUPER UBAR BAN ME PLEASE* Graceful Charity.

Why the heck will anyone name anything other than 5 or 6... you either deck thin by a good amount, or draw so many cards that you've just won the game. We don't even need to debate this card to know that it has to go.

They banned Graceful Charity because of its good draw power on top of deck thinning. Sixth Sense can double the effect of whatever Graceful Charity can do, and the only con about it is that it's "Jinzo unfriendly." (So what if Jinzo eats it alive? I'm risking all I can get for a deck thin of max-4 or a draw of max-6 in one card)

Imagine how Asia is plagued with sixth sense when Chaos is still running around with their precious BLS unbanned... (well unless BLS is the one who got deck thinned, and if that's the case, well too bad, ahaha ^^; )

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frostweaver said:
Sixth Sense = Trap version of *SUPER UBAR BAN ME PLEASE* Graceful Charity.

Why the heck will anyone name anything other than 5 or 6... you either deck thin by a good amount, or draw so many cards that you've just won the game. We don't even need to debate this card to know that it has to go.

They banned Graceful Charity because of its good draw power on top of deck thinning. Sixth Sense can double the effect of whatever Graceful Charity can do, and the only con about it is that it's "Jinzo unfriendly." (So what if Jinzo eats it alive? I'm risking all I can get for a deck thin of max-4 or a draw of max-6 in one card)

Imagine how Asia is plagued with sixth sense when Chaos is still running around with their precious BLS unbanned... (well unless BLS is the one who got deck thinned, and if that's the case, well too bad, ahaha ^^; )

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Yeah. Imagine how bad they feel when they have The Warrior Returning Alive in their hand. Jinzo is not that powerful anymore.
 
Yeah so what's there to discuss about Sixth Sense if we're so fully aware of its brokenness =p

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frostweaver said:
Yeah so what's there to discuss about Sixth Sense if we're so fully aware of its brokenness =p

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Nonthing actuaully anymore... o_o

Mabye just it's combos.


Monsters 17

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy the Beginning
Sacred Phoenix Of Nephthys
Jinzo
Asura Priest
Blade Knight
D.D. Warrior Lady
Magician Of Faith
Magician Of Faith
Breaker The Magical Warrior
Sangan
Tsukuyomi
Apprentice Magician
Kycoo The Ghost Destroyer
Hand Of Nephthys
Morphing Jar
Sninister Serpent
Tribe-Infecting Virus


Spells 18

Pot Of Greed
Graceful Charity
Delinquent Duo
Heavy Storm
Mystical Space Typhoon
Premature Burial
Swords Of Revealing Light
Snatch Steal
Brain Control
Enemy Controller
Scapegoat
Scapegoat
Metamorphosis
Metamorphosis
Nobleman Of Crossout
Nobleman Of Crossout
Book Of Moon
Book Of Moon


Traps 6

Mirror Force
Call Of The Haunted
Torrential Tribute
Ring Of Destruction
Bottomless Trap Hole
Royal Decree

What do you think of this deck? As a example >=o

Oh yeah. frostweaver, did you get my post up there about the Warrior Returning Alive?
 
And... what's in that deck except it's a strange attempt to throw "good cards" into "one deck" when in reality those "good cards" don't work too-too well with each other?

Yes I did get your post.

Jinzo is powerful enough to stop one of the two recursion cards along with evil Sakuretsu, Torrential, and any other specific-theme tech-traps. It's still pretty darn good.


On another side note, being the faithful pojo reader as I am, they actually speculated that zombie will go *down* and not up with the new ban list. Their reasoning is that beastdown and its insane attack speed will eat zombies alive before they can do much of anything.

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frostweaver said:
And... what's in that deck except it's a strange attempt to throw "good cards" into "one deck" when in reality those "good cards" don't work too-too well with each other?

Yes I did get your post.

Jinzo is powerful enough to stop one of the two recursion cards along with evil Sakuretsu, Torrential, and any other specific-theme tech-traps. It's still pretty darn good.


On another side note, being the faithful pojo reader as I am, they actually speculated that zombie will go *down* and not up with the new ban list. Their reasoning is that beastdown and its insane attack speed will eat zombies alive before they can do much of anything.


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Strange. I read beatdown instead of beastdown. Or Arrgo to be honest. And I am a member of their message boards also. And yes. Zombies have a high chance of of dying in the new meta.(Unless 4 people in the top 8 plays zombie).

There is one card Jinzo cannot stop. Solem Judgement.

And that deck is the championship deck of the 2005 world championship. The winner is from Greece.
 
6 traps + 1 being Royal Decree = EEEEHHHHHHHHH...................
 
Ichapokemr said:
6 traps + 1 being Royal Decree = EEEEHHHHHHHHH...................
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o.o

What's so bad about that? I am making my deck and it will have 7 traps with a Decree. O:

It does not matter if you have a Spell or Trap negating card in your deck like Jinzo for example and you have like 10 traps. As long you know how to use them with timing and skill, it does not really matter.

And I suspose the person had decree so the opponoent wont play anything like Bottomless Trap Hole when Phoenix is special summoned by it's effect.
 
The thing is that those cards are serious dead-draws until you have a way to destroy your own decree. There are times where you have overestimated your opponent's ability to dispel... If you're using Jinzo and/or Decree, 5 traps maximum is the unwritten law. In the past, it's usually ring, torrential, call, and 2 sakuretsu as the standard, with the 2 sakuretsu being the ones that can be subbed out for something else (like Bottomless trap holes, and so on).

Phoenix usually rely on Jinzo and dispel cards to destroy bottomless trap holes and other removing traps, instead of royal decree. Then again, D. D. Assailant (x3) still owns you either way, and there's no way to stop Assailant from murdering Phoenix unless you're that desperate with the use of a ring of magnetism on some other junkie.

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Here's a deck I think will be domiant in the new format.

Monsters:17
Sacred Phoenix of Nepthys/Slient Swordsman Lv.5
Cyber Dragon
Cyber Dragon
Madurding Captain
Madurding Captain
D.D Assliant
D.D Assliant
D.D Assliant
D.D Warrior Lady
Exiled Force
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Morphing Jar
Mystic Swordsman Lv .4
Mystic Swordsman Lv .4
Magican of Faith
Sagan
Tysokumi

Spells:16
Mystical Space Typhoon
Heavy Storm
Dark Hole
Reforciement of the Army
Reforciement of the Army
Snatch Steal
Creature Swap
Nobleman of Crossout
Warrior Returning Alive
Premature Burial
Lightning Vortex
Brain Control
Confiscation
Card Destruction
Smashing Ground
Smashing Ground

Traps:7
Call of the Haunted
Torrential Tribute
Sakaretsu Armor
Sakaretsu Armor
Magical Clyinder
Dust Torando
Dust Torando
 
Meh. I still don't run Sakuretsu. I run torrential, call, 2 tornadoes, 2 bottomless, and decree for traps, with Sakuretsus and a third tornado on sideboard. If I need to kill monsters, I'll use Smashing Ground. If I need to stop attacks, I'll play enemy controller. If I played any more traps than this, Decree and Nephthys would screw me over...both of which I run.

Yes Nephthys works EXTREMELY WELL in a warrior deck. I run three captains and two hands. That's enough to get Phoenix out almost every game.

In that deck, where are the Cyber/Morphing Jar(s)? Aren't Cyber and/or Morphing staples now? Morphing's always been a staple since TP2, it's just OBTAINABLE now.
 
RaikouRider243 said:
Meh. I still don't run Sakuretsu. I run torrential, call, 2 tornadoes, 2 bottomless, and decree for traps, with Sakuretsus and a third tornado on sideboard. If I need to kill monsters, I'll use Smashing Ground. If I need to stop attacks, I'll play enemy controller. If I played any more traps than this, Decree and Nephthys would screw me over...both of which I run.
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Smashing Ground does not "stop atacks". But I know what you mean. What are bad about Sakaretsu Armor?
RaikouRider243 said:
Yes Nephthys works EXTREMELY WELL in a warrior deck. I run three captains and two hands. That's enough to get Phoenix out almost every game.

In that deck, where are the Cyber/Morphing Jar(s)? Aren't Cyber and/or Morphing staples now? Morphing's always been a staple since TP2, it's just OBTAINABLE now.
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Morphing Jar is in there and Cyber Jar, not well with this deck, Since Maduring Captain second effect requires a normal summon. and Cyber Dragon needs no monster on your side of the field.

And no they are bot staples. Staples are cards assist help "every" deck. Not those cards help "every" deck. Even though they are draw power, that does not really mean you should run them.

*sigh* the meaning of staple has changed throughout the years. Now it's just must have or your deck sucks!

And I seen your deck from SPPF.

3 Marauding Captain
2 Goblin Attack Force
2 Command Knight
1 Exiled Force
1 Mataza the Zapper
1 D.D. Warrior Lady
1 Cyber Jar
1 Breaker the Magical Warrior
1 Iron Blacksmith Kotetsu
1 Morphing Jar
1 Obnoxious Celtic Guard
1 Blade Knight
1 Sasuke Samurai
1 Magician of Faith
2 Hand of Nephthys
1 Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys

1 Heavy Storm
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Confiscation
1 Dark Hole
1 Book of Moon
2 Reinforcement of the Army
1 Scapegoat
1 My Body as a Shield
1 Snatch Steal
1 Mage Power
1 Smashing Ground
1 Card Destruction
1 The Warrior Returning Alive
1 United We Stand
1 Enemy Controller

1 Royal Decree
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Windstorm of Etaqua
1 Call of the Haunted
1 Bottomless Trap Hole
2 Dust Tornado

44 cards total.
 
Zaikiro said:
44 cards total.
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That alone, is enough to say that it's time to edit the deck... >>;

When's the last time we see tourney winners having a deck that got more than 40 cards? And that was the time when there is Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity too...
 
frostweaver said:
That alone, is enough to say that it's time to edit the deck... >>;

When's the last time we see tourney winners having a deck that got more than 40 cards? And that was the time when there is Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity too...
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The top 50-15 has 40-41. Top 1-15, always 40 in any regionals or tournaments. People are obbesed with deck thinning, espacilly now.

2 Marauding Captain
1Mystic Swords Man Lv.4
2 Command Knight
1 Exiled Force
1 Mataza the Zapper
1 D.D. Warrior Lady
1 Cyber Jar
1 Breaker the Magical Warrior
1 Iron Blacksmith Kotetsu
1 Morphing Jar
1 Blade Knight/D.D Assilant
1 Mystic Swordsman Lv.2/D.D Assilant
1 Magician of Faith
1 Appretience Magican
1 Hand of Nephthys
1 Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys

1 Heavy Storm
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Confiscation
1 Dark Hole
1 Book of Moon
2 Reinforcement of the Army
1 Scapegoat
1 My Body as a Shield
1 Snatch Steal
1 Mage Power
2 Smashing Ground
1 Card Destruction
1 The Warrior Returning Alive
1 United We Stand
1 Enemy Controller

1 Royal Decree
1 Torrential Tribute
1 Call of the Haunted
1 Bottomless Trap Hole
1 Dust Torando

Here is a eidted version of his deck since I can't post on SPPF. I sent him on pm. It's down to 40 and ready to win. I forgot the D.D Assilant >_>,sorry.
 
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