5th Gen Zoroark & Zorua Discussion

[KURURUPON]

They kind of look like Riolu/Lucario as well - not necessarily the appearance, though the body posture kind of, but just the stance of Zoruark and Lucario.

I would post the link to a picture of them both standing next to eachother but I need more posts lol.

We have had non legendaries where they are one only.

Gen 1
Aerodactyl
Kabuto
Omanyte
Lapras
Farfetch'd
lickitung
Jynx
Eevee

I thought you could catch Lickitung in the Mewtwo cave?

 

[dragoniteuser]

Basically, zorua and Zoroark are not legendaries!
Sure, they have a movie based on them, but so does Lucario, and yet it aswell isn't a legendary!
So I don't see the point of this whole discution...

 

[DarthSenorQueso]

You do get Riolu from an Egg. All the Gen 2 Babies are mandatory pre-evolutions meaning you can't get the basic forms in eggs. Gen 3 is when the very first "baby" (by your definition) Pokemon came out and that was Azuril. The only way to get an Azuril is to breed a Marill with Sea/Wave Incense. (can't remember which one). If you breed a Marill without the incense then you get a Marill. Fourth Gen expanded on this so Gen three was the first Generation to produce Baby Pokemon that can only be gotten from an egg and not through normal breeding.

List of Baby Pokemon: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Baby_Pokemon Both Togepi and Riolu are on the list.


For Jiranchi thing, Uhhh...Since the bonus disc was an official release of Jiranchi and was not an event. Therefore Jiranchi is not event only.

As for from the Spin off I said Manaphi wasn't event only. Also once again you bring in the Anime to a Videogame discussion. We've already been over that the Anime does things differently than the games. They are in two different universes and are two completely separate things. If all you can use to defend your point is pull out the Anime when it has nothing to do with the discussion or the details, then please don't even try to defend yourself.

I don't know how they classify Mirage Legendary Pokemon. I know Vicitini was called a Mirage Legendary on Serebii when it was released and they also classify Shaymin, Mew, Jiranchi, Celebi, and Manaphi as Mirage Legendaries. It either has something to do with why they are legendary or what ever reason they have. They get their information from another source, if you don't like the fact that are brought up go find the original source instead of trying to make up your own reasons to justify yourself.

And seriously learn to read I was clarifying the other person's post. Nintendo Event Only means that the Pokemon can only be recieved through an Nintendo hosted event like something from Wifi Central Mystery Gift function. Manaphy and Jiranchi can be gotten outside of Nintendo WFC and away from Nintendo sponsored Mystery Gift giveaways.

As for the Chibi factor, Yes Zorua has Chibi factor. It has a tiny body with a larger head. Something most of the babies have going on. Does it pass to normal Pokemon, I think so, but majority of the Chibi Pokemon are babies. Most look like chibi versions of their Basic forms. Only exceptions to that are some of the Gen 4 baby Pokemon and Tyrogue since it evolves into three Pokemon and Togepi.

Now I saw you mention Action Replay, Well seeing as we are talking about official ways to catch/Own pokemon and you bring in cheating I'm pretty positive you don't know what they hell you are talking about. The Action Replay can get you anything and is a very poor attempt to defend your point.

Mirage legends are the legends in the games, such as Mew, Celebi etc. that have 100 in each base stat. There has been one of them in each game except diamond and pearl, which had two of them, Manaphy and Shaymin.

So yes, Manaphy is a legendary even though you can technically breed it, you can't breed it to get another Manaphy. It's just another gimmick thing they did in a lot of that gen such as formes up the whazoo and area specific evolutions.

 

[zapdosa]

I thought you could catch Lickitung in the Mewtwo cave?

Yes but only in Yellow Version.

 

[Gardenia101]

Well, that's off topic

Anyway, mirage legendaries are still legendaries none-the-less

 

[GalacticMars]

I don't think they should be legendariesss D:

 

[rocky505]

Well no duh Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, Shaymin and Victini are legendaries but the Z foxes are not.

 

[Gulpin]

I definatley think that Zoura/Zourark are this generations legendaries - mainly because they have so much in common by way of status (centering on a Pokemon movie, and being the first revealed.)

 

[FalseDestiny]

They aren't Legends. They're event exclusives. There's a difference.

Inb4wildzoruaslategame

 

[Mirby]

I agree with him, actually.

Event exclusive does not always equal legendary.

 

[yellowbird]

Don't REALLY feel like reading through six pages to see if anyone said this, so if this is a repeat I apologize.

But hypothesis of how Zorua evolves:
Since I consider it to be the Lucario of BW, and Riolu evolves via happiness during the daytime, I think Zorua will evolve the same way except during the night.

Makes sense, right?

 

[Gardenia101]

They aren't Legends. They're event exclusives. There's a difference.

Inb4wildzoruaslategame

I didn't say they were legendaries.

 

[FireAura]

Well, I mean, this isn't the fourth generation, it's the fifth!
They aren't Lucarios, they're-
Zoroarks.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Well, I mean, this isn't the fourth generation, it's the fifth!
They aren't Lucarios, they're-
Zoroarks.

Yes we know. What everyone is trying to say is that Zorua and Zoroark are the Fifth Gen's version of Riolu and Lucario.

Just like Pachirisu is Fourth Gens version of Pikachu or Zigzagoon is Third Gen's Rattata. Starly was Fourth Gen's Pidgey line. It was an argument to try and disprove Zorua and Zoroark being legends.

 

[solarowl]

Don't REALLY feel like reading through six pages to see if anyone said this, so if this is a repeat I apologize.

But hypothesis of how Zorua evolves:
Since I consider it to be the Lucario of BW, and Riolu evolves via happiness during the daytime, I think Zorua will evolve the same way except during the night.

Makes sense, right?

that will proboably be true... nice observation
and for this discussion, i think Zorua and Zoroark will not be legends just "special" like lucario and even events don't make it a legend. I mean special like they use this pokemon more often in the anime

 

[Gardenia101]

Well, Zorua doesn't really look like a "Baby" Pokemon, does it? I mean, "The Evil Fox" Pokemon....

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Well, Zorua doesn't really look like a "Baby" Pokemon, does it? I mean, "The Evil Fox" Pokemon....

Pichu :: Tiny Mouse Pokemon
Cleffa :: Star Shaped Pokemon
Igglybuff :: Balloon Pokemon
Togei :: Spike Ball Pokemon
Tyrogue :: Scuffle Pokemon
Smoochum :: Kiss Pokemon
Elekid :: Electric Pokemon
Magby :: Live Coal Pokemon
Azurill :: Poka Dot Pokemon
Wynaut :: Bright Pokemon
Budew :: Bud Pokemon
Chingling :: Bell Pokemon
Bonsly :: Bonsai Pokemon
Mime Jr. :: Mime Pokemon
Happiny :: Playhouse Pokemon
Munchlax :: Big Eater Pokemon
Riolu :: Emanation Pokemon
Mantyke :: Kite Pokemon

Bulbapedia changed Zorua to Dark Fox Pokemon because Japan has Dark type listed as Evil type so American Translation changes what it is. And since Evil type isn't the same thing as "evil" by definition of doing bad thing and is more "underhanded tactics" the assiciation everyone seems to give Dark type Pokemon is very horribly matched.

 

[AuraAshley1990]

Really people still think Zorua and Zoroark are legendaries. Just because they stared a movie doesn't mean they are legendary Lucario wasn't.

people thought lucario was legendary for some reason when he was released. i sort of belived he was legendary at first. but zorua and zorark are a different story. they are both in the same movie.

 

[Gardenia101]

Pichu :: Tiny Mouse Pokemon
Cleffa :: Star Shaped Pokemon
Igglybuff :: Balloon Pokemon
Togei :: Spike Ball Pokemon
Tyrogue :: Scuffle Pokemon
Smoochum :: Kiss Pokemon
Elekid :: Electric Pokemon
Magby :: Live Coal Pokemon
Azurill :: Poka Dot Pokemon
Wynaut :: Bright Pokemon
Budew :: Bud Pokemon
Chingling :: Bell Pokemon
Bonsly :: Bonsai Pokemon
Mime Jr. :: Mime Pokemon
Happiny :: Playhouse Pokemon
Munchlax :: Big Eater Pokemon
Riolu :: Emanation Pokemon
Mantyke :: Kite Pokemon

Bulbapedia changed Zorua to Dark Fox Pokemon because Japan has Dark type listed as Evil type so American Translation changes what it is. And since Evil type isn't the same thing as "evil" by definition of doing bad thing and is more "underhanded tactics" the assiciation everyone seems to give Dark type Pokemon is very horribly matched.

Well, come on. As people said before, Bulbapedia is just a fansite. And take a look at this:

Now look at this:
*bulbagarden.net image removed*

That doesn't quite fit in, does it?

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Well, come on. As people said before, Bulbapedia is just a fansite. And take a look at this:

Now look at this:
*bulbagarden.net image removed*

That doesn't quite fit in, does it?

Actually to me it does fit :)