LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexual) anyone?

[Kon~]

Hold up here, people. Are you having a go at Fox for having an opinion? Isn't opinion part of how a discussion progresses?

And just to put my foot into all your theories - I have no LGBT relatives, no one close to me is LGB or T, and yet I am bisexual [NOT to be read 'confused'. I most certainly am bi].

Explain that with your ideas. I have never been mentally or physically forced towards a certain sexuality, I've had the most normal and mundane upbringing ever, and yet I know that I am bisexual.

[And not many other people do] ~♪

EDIT: Plus, long time readers may remember my spat with Fox before, but now I've come to the point where I'm defending him - what does that make you feel about yourselves? (no offence, Fox)

 

[Fox♠]

Hold up here, people. Are you having a go at Fox for having an opinion? Isn't opinion part of how a discussion progresses?

And just to put my foot into all your theories - I have no LGBT relatives, no one close to me is LGB or T, and yet I am bisexual [NOT to be read 'confused'. I most certainly am bi].

Explain that with your ideas. I have never been mentally or physically forced towards a certain sexuality, I've had the most normal and mundane upbringing ever, and yet I know that I am bisexual.

[And not many other people do] ~♪

It's because my opinion differs from theres and is therefore wrong.

 

[The Fame Monster]

Honestly, as an individual, what the hell have you ever done to earn that pride? You were born with different prefences, well done, good on you, I really wish I could of being born as s...Oh wait, I was.

Honest to god that's like me saying I can have pride in being blonde because people percieve blondes as stupid. Milk, earnt his place, Martin Luther King, earnt his place, Nelson Mandela earnt his place. But you? You are no different to me, stop trying to use what you are as some kind of social tool.

bianca is transgendered, am i correct? well people who are transgendered go through so much torture from people around them for acting how they feel. yet they continue to act that way as it makes them happy. it makes them full. any transgendered person who doesnt give in to the homophobia and hate that society projects at them, even more towards them than other gay people, automatically earns that pride.

so even though you weren't asking me i think i was able to answer?

 

[Fox♠]

Hold up here, people. Are you having a go at Fox for having an opinion? Isn't opinion part of how a discussion progresses?

And just to put my foot into all your theories - I have no LGBT relatives, no one close to me is LGB or T, and yet I am bisexual [NOT to be read 'confused'. I most certainly am bi].

Explain that with your ideas. I have never been mentally or physically forced towards a certain sexuality, I've had the most normal and mundane upbringing ever, and yet I know that I am bisexual.

[And not many other people do] ~♪

It's because my opinion differs from theres and is therefore wrong.

And no offence taken Kon, you never tried to make me feel segregated like some individuals here.

bianca is transgendered, am i correct? well people who are transgendered go through so much torture from people around them for acting how they feel. yet they continue to act that way as it makes them happy. it makes them full. any transgendered person who doesnt give in to the homophobia and hate that society projects at them, even more towards them than other gay people, automatically earns that pride.

In this thread, I'm in the minority, I'm told I'm wrong and I face oppresive attitudes to me each time I post here, but I continue. Guess I've earnt my pride too eh?

 

[Kon~]

i believe i can answer that myself.

bianca is transgendered, am i correct? well people who are transgendered go through so much torture from people around them for acting how they feel. yet they continue to act that way as it makes them happy. it makes them full. any transgendered person who doesnt give in to the homophobia and hate that society projects at them, even more towards them than other gay people, automatically earns that pride.

I've said this before and I'll say it again; pride as the direct opposite of shame isn't the same as standalone pride.

 

[RocketExec.]

LGBT people usually have a period of their life where they believe what they are is wrong because the norm is to like men or woman etc.

The ideals of the heterosexual world are pushed onto LGBT people and it actually hurts them mentally. And sometimes pyshically.

Thats VERY true, when I first realised I was gay, I was so used to the 'norm', I thought that I could just hide it my whole life. It was only until I realised how unhappy I would be that I finally accepted myself, and am very happy I did :)

 

[Bianca Paragon]

Honestly, as an individual, what the hell have you ever done to earn that pride? You were born with different prefences, well done, good on you, I really wish I could of being born as s...Oh wait, I was.

Honest to god that's like me saying I can have pride in being blonde because people percieve blondes as stupid. Milk, earnt his place, Martin Luther King, earnt his place, Nelson Mandela earnt his place. But you? You are no different to me, stop trying to use what you are as some kind of social tool.

How about being constantly beat down socially and emotionally, for the vast majority of my teenage years? How about being told I'm a freak so often and so profusely that I began to believe it? How about being driven to *suicide* because I'd be made to believe I was defective for my differences? Yet to rise above that and still be a good person? Yeah, I'd say I've earned the right to say I'm proud to be a transgirl. I did plenty to earn my pride, thanks very much. Try harder.

 

[AimayBee]

Noone in this thread is going to agree on everything, people will always have an opinion, i am glad to share my own opinion but only to open minded people.
I'm not saying every LGBT person is tormented, in fact bisexual people ar the ones that are least abused [not to mean beatings and the like but just in general] and that is because people still think bisexual people are just confused and have not met the right person of the opposite sex.
Trolls are not welcome on this thread or this site thoguh and Fox is trolling a lot but he does have an opinion, so he should be allowed to express that in a none trolling manner.

 

[Bianca Paragon]

bianca is transgendered, am i correct? well people who are transgendered go through so much torture from people around them for acting how they feel. yet they continue to act that way as it makes them happy. it makes them full. any transgendered person who doesnt give in to the homophobia and hate that society projects at them, even more towards them than other gay people, automatically earns that pride.

so even though you weren't asking me i think i was able to answer?

Correct.

It's because my opinion differs from theres and is therefore wrong.

And no offence taken Kon, you never tried to make me feel segregated like some individuals here.



In this thread, I'm in the minority, I'm told I'm wrong and I face oppresive attitudes to me each time I post here, but I continue. Guess I've earnt my pride too eh?

You can't be a segregated majority. You're now treading very thin ice between being a troll, and downright inflammatory. Watch it.

 

[Kon~]

How about being constantly beat down socially and emotionally, for the vast majority of my teenage years? How about being told I'm a freak so often and so profusely that I began to believe it? How about being driven to *suicide* because I'd be made to believe I was defective for my differences? Yet to rise above that and still be a good person? Yeah, I'd say I've earned the right to say I'm proud to be a transgirl. I did plenty to earn my pride, thanks very much. Try harder.

Please don't take this in a harsh way but...

I've grown up overweight. Quite a lot overweight. I've spent years of my life being taunted, ostracised, bullied and teased for my weight. I've self-harmed, had councelling, had three mentors through school after I started bunking off four times a week and I had my suicidal moments. It came to a point where I was being violent in response to bullies, and I was trying to get hurt on purpose.

But I'm not asking for Fat Pride.

 

[Bianca Paragon]

Please don't take this in a harsh way but...

I've grown up overweight. Quite a lot overweight. I've spent years of my life being taunted, ostracised, bullied and teased for my weight. I've self-harmed, had councelling, had three mentors through school after I started bunking off four times a week and I had my suicidal moments. It came to a point where I was being violent in response to bullies, and I was trying to get hurt on purpose.

But I'm not asking for Fat Pride.

Weight can be adjusted. Sexuality cannot. Not that people *choose* to be overweight, but you do *choose* to not take affirmative action to solve the issue. But again, this thread isn't about that. It's about the LGBT scene~

 

[The Fame Monster]

Please don't take this in a harsh way but...

I've grown up overweight. Quite a lot overweight. I've spent years of my life being taunted, ostracised, bullied and teased for my weight. I've self-harmed, had councelling, had three mentors through school after I started bunking off four times a week and I had my suicidal moments. It came to a point where I was being violent in response to bullies, and I was trying to get hurt on purpose.

But I'm not asking for Fat Pride.

but the vast majority of overweight people are overweight as a result of their actions. people cant really be prideful towards choices.

 

[RocketExec.]

Pride is about just being happy with who you are though, and not forcing your views and opinions down other peoples throats. And with all the dicrimination LGB+T have had, I think we all deserve some pride thankyou.

 

[Kon~]

but the vast majority of overweight people are overweight as a result of their actions. people cant really be prideful towards choices.

Yeah, because I chose to be fat?! Who in their right mind would choose that? You think I haven't tried to lose weight?

I chose to be overweight as much as anyone here chose to be gay.

 

[Nick]

Noone in this thread is going to agree on everything, people will always have an opinion, i am glad to share my own opinion but only to open minded people.
I'm not saying every LGBT person is tormented, in fact bisexual people ar the ones that are least abused [not to mean beatings and the like but just in general] and that is because people still think bisexual people are just confused and have not met the right person of the opposite sex.
Trolls are not welcome on this thread or this site thoguh and Fox is trolling a lot but he does have an opinion, so he should be allowed to express that in a none trolling manner.

Thank you for that very insightful post, Ms. Mini Mod.

I think I'm one of the few who don't think Fox is trolling at all. A difference of opinion is not trolling. Having a discussion based on a difference of opinion is not trolling. Sharing a difference of opinion isn't trolling. Peoples' reactions to these difference of opinions certainly do make it seem like he's trolling, however. But him being a retired staff member who kept their brain after leaving, I'm pretty sure he knows better than that.

 

[Xairmo]

In this thread, I'm in the minority, I'm told I'm wrong and I face oppresive attitudes to me each time I post here, but I continue. Guess I've earnt my pride too eh?

Sarcasm, eh? You'd fit in quite well with the gays.

Honestly, as an individual, what the hell have you ever done to earn that pride? You were born with different prefences, well done, good on you, I really wish I could of being born as s...Oh wait, I was.

Honest to god that's like me saying I can have pride in being blonde because people percieve blondes as stupid. Milk, earnt his place, Martin Luther King, earnt his place, Nelson Mandela earnt his place. But you? You are no different to me, stop trying to use what you are as some kind of social tool.

I agree that you are entitled your own opinion and that some of the other posters in this thread are being somewhat hypocritical, but I don't think it fair of you to say that we haven't earned the right to take pride in ourselves just because we haven't personally led a civil rights movement. It's true that some gay individuals take way more pride than they really deserve, but a lot of us have had to endure our share of hardships. And yes it is truly horrible that disabled students were tricked along with Constance and they were pretty much used. The whole situation was just utterly disgusting. But this is an LGBT thread so the posters here would probably focus on the lesbian student.

 

[AimayBee]

You haven't had Fox troll you yet, i have...

Thank you for that very insightful post, Ms. Mini Mod.

Please don't be sarcastic. It is the lowest form of wit.

 

[The Fame Monster]

Yeah, because I chose to be fat?! Who in their right mind would choose that? You think I haven't tried to lose weight?

I chose to be overweight as much as anyone here chose to be gay.

yes. you may not have been like "i want to be fat now." but you did go "i want that chocolate. not the strawberry."

im overweight too. i know its my fault. i just like fattening food. hahaha a lot

 

[Kon~]

You haven't had Fox troll you yet, i have...


Please don't be sarcastic. It is the lowest form of wit.

I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure an ex-staff member AND a moderator have more knowledge of what exactly trolling is and whether someone here is than someone with 27 posts.

yes. you may not have been like "i want to be fat now." but you did go "i want that chocolate. not the strawberry."

im overweight too. i know its my fault. i just like fattening food. hahaha a lot

Weelll... when you say it like that... ^^;;

 

[AimayBee]

Being gay is biological and so is being fat sometimes.
Metabolism plays a part in weight, i'm 7 stone and i eat more than my obese friend who is the same age as me and she is more than twice my weight....
Choice plays a part ion a lot of things in life, unfortunately, the choice cannot be made to have certain biological factors such as being gay and having a low metabolism.

I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure an ex-staff member AND a moderator have more knowledge of what exactly trolling is and whether someone here is than someone with 27 posts.

I have been in the top set of every class i have ever attended, i do not believe have a minimal amount of posts makes me any less aware of what a troll is.