Pokemon Discussion (Current Subject: Aerodactyl)

[Archer]

Ludicolo @ Salac Berry
Swift Swim
Jolly, 252 Attack/252 Speed/6 whatever
Substitute
Swords Dance
Flail
Focus Punch/Thunderpunch/Ice Punch/Waterfall

SubFlailing Ludicolo?

Waterfall gets nice coverage with flail. Ludi so wants aqua jet.

 

[The Beast]

Ludicolo @ Choice Specs
Swift Swim
Modest, 104 Speed/252 SpA/148 HP
Grass Knot/Energy Ball
Surf/Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Focus Blast

Ludicolo @ Choice Band
Swift Swim
Adamant, 148 HP/252 Atk/104 Speed
Thunderpunch
Ice Punch
Waterfall
Return/Focus Punch/Drain Punch/Zen Headbutt

Generic Choice Sets.

I think if you don't make Ludicolo hold the choice band or the choice specs, you'll have a better advantage with the movesets.

 

[ABYAY]

Well, the movesets have advantages with choice items.

1. Instant 1.5x attack to start off, giving some immense power quickly and without drawback.
2. Life Orb won't burn your health away, and even then, choice still holds more power.
3. Nothing else gives such an instant boost without setup.
4. If you predict right, you'll score a major blow on their team.

 

[Aquilae]

70 Attack/90 SpA is pretty bad in itself, LO won't cut it for a sweep. Ludi is best used as a bulky pokemon with Leech Seed, and can still outrun stuff in a pinch with Swift Swim, particularly Dragons and other stuff.

 

[King_Lucario]

Ludi is absolutely useless with Swift Swim. If Ludi has Swift Swim, its speed is increased, HOWEVER, a smart trainer would try to pick one with Rain Dish because it replenishes HP. I know this is common sense but Aquille seemed to have forgotten about Rain Dish. Besides, Ludi would NEVER last against a well-trained Dragon-type Pokemon.

 

[luke]

Um, no. Swift Swim allows you to outrun any Dragon in rain and with enough Special Attack, will OHKO them all. Rain Dish isn't really all that useful unless on super stalling sets, and even then Swift Swim works better.

Next time refrain from sounding so authoritative on a subject without presenting solid evidence on why it's better.

 

[Lalapizzame]

Um, no. Rain Dish allows you to outrun any Dragon in rain and with enough Special Attack, will OHKO them all. Rain Dish isn't really all that useful unless on super stalling sets, and even then Swift Swim works better.

Next time refrain from sounding so authoritative on a subject without presenting solid evidence on why it's better.

You mean Swift Swim right?

 

[luke]

Let us discuss the new target: Empoleon.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Yayz


Empoleon@Leftovers
252 HP / 252 SP.DEF / 6 SP.ATT
Calm Nature
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Roar
- Stealth Rock

Special wall 101 Wut is specs mence ?



Empoleon@Petaya Berry
44 HP / 248 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Hydro pump / Surf
- Agility


This set is REALLY nasty, the idea is to Agility on a switch Sub to activate Torrent AND the Petaya Berry and own EVERYTHING. By everything, i mean everything, with this set you can 2hko Bliss with Hydro pump. Surf is if you want accuracy.

This is why you want S-Toss on Blissey unlike on smogons analysis xp

 

[Samson]

i use the first set (bold natured). i just want to say one thing: it's not a special wall. it's a tank. don't get the kids all hopped up on excitement yet.

 

[boo836]

Empoleon:@ life orb/ lefties
Adamant
252 hp, 252 att, 6 spd
Earthquake
Aqua jet
swords dance
shadow claw

Swords dance, sweep. Shadow claw is for dusky and cressy. Drill peck is a no since empoleon does not have any buisness on fighters in Ou. However, in Bl, drill peck is better because of torterra and gastrodon.


Empoleon: @lefties
Calm
252 hp, 220 spdef, 58 spatt.
Surf
Hp [electric]/ Grass knot
Rest
Sleep talk

 

[Archer]

Drill peck is a no since empoleon does not have any buisness on fighters in Ou. However, in Bl, drill peck is better because of torterra and gastrodon.

Considering how likely fighters are to switch in, predicting a switch could be vital if Empoleon intends to live. Secondly, BL is OU, just less commonly used. Also, both of those take neutral damage from Water and Flying does not hit Gastrodon for any more than Water.

 

[Angelic Diablo]

Empoleon@Choice Specs
Modest Nature
EVs: 252 Sp Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
-Surf/Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Grass Knot
-Hidden Power Electric

Meh this set I used in Battle Tower... worked well with some Wish support. All standard moves except HP Electric, which is pretty much for opposing Empoleon and Gyarados/Mantine

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

I think Empoleon is awesome as it is a penguin. I use:

Empoleon@Leftovers
Timid
252spd,252sp.atk
Ice Beam
Hydro Pump
Focus Blast
Roost

 

[Dark Azelf]

I think Empoleon is awesome as it is a penguin. I use:

Empoleon@Leftovers
Timid
252spd,252sp.atk
Ice Beam
Hydro Pump
Focus Blast
Roost

Empoleon doesnt get Roost or Focus Blast for that matter =/

 

[Crash Pokemon]

SO it doesn't work even with TM poor Empoleon

 

[Dark Azelf]

SO it doesn't work even with TM poor Empoleon

Isnt that obvious ? I said it cant get them on the previous page. So this post is kinda pointless and spammy tbh.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Oh yeah, i just didnt have my ds around and couldnt remember the moves. Its

Empoleon@ Leftovers
Timid
252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Ice Beam
Surf
Flash Cannon
Stealth Rock

 

[BobberyJo]

I'm sorry, but that's a horrible set. Flash Cannon has terrible coverage, and Empoleon doesn't have the speed to revenge kill, or the power to sweep. While this has been posted before,

Empoleon@Petaya Berry
44 HP / 248 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Hydro pump / Surf
- Agility

THis is a much better set for a sweeping Empoleon.

 

[RaggedyJan]

I use an empoleon (Named DeVito)for it's special defense and to phaze
mine is:

Calm, Leftovers, 252 hp. 252 SpDef. 6 SpAtk
-Ice Beam
-Grass Knot
-Roar
-Stealth Rock

i think that grass knot is useful to counter other waters