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[devilicious]

I'm sorry, but that's a horrible set. Flash Cannon has terrible coverage, and Empoleon doesn't have the speed to revenge kill, or the power to sweep. While this has been posted before,

Empoleon@Petaya Berry
44 HP / 248 SP.ATT / 216 SPEED
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Substitute
- Hydro pump / Surf
- Agility

THis is a much better set for a sweeping Empoleon.

This is the set I use, except with Grass Knot instead of Ice Beam, since I needed something to counter Bulky Waters.
And this has worked stupendously well, even in OU.

 

[boo836]

Must keep alive...

Counters:

To smogon's tank set:

Magnezone 2hkos with t-bolt and surf is a 3hko from modest empoleon tank.

Cbtar is 2hko'd by surf and thus wants speed instead of spdef to harm with eq.

Cbgross is 3-4hko'd by surf by calm and ohkos with eq.

Rest talk lax 3 hko's with eq and is 6 hko'd by modest tank

Blissey. I don't really think I have to explain.


Yeah, that's just for the sp tank. Also, I have probably missed a few counters.

 

[Faceless*]

Well, all 4th gen starters were made for a battle purpose reason ._.

Let me explain the most obvious ones..

Torterra : Ground/Rock resist
Infernape : Super sweep ability
Empoleon : Special Attacker/Wall on Sandstorm teams

yes... these starters are REALLY made for battling

as for Empoleon, she fits quite well in a sandstorm team since finding a special attacker/wall for a sandstorm team can be quite difficult. To me, this guy is the other side of Swampert itself.

Empoleon@Leftovers
Nature - Modest/Calm
EV's - 152HP/186SPATK/174SPDF
Moves -
- Surf/Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot/Stealth Rock/Rest
- HP [Electric]/Stealth Rock/Rest

Don't expect this to be a long-lasting special wall, it has nothing to recover with except Leftovers or if you decide to apply Aqua Ring/Rest. It's probably better off as a special attacker. (Sponge) If you do choose Rest, use it with a healer.

Also, you cannot place both Stealth Rock AND Rest, one of those moves (Grass Knot or HP Electric) has to stay, otherwise, other water types like Starmie will bully you.

 

[Hadim Sinan Pasha]

I'm sorry. She? Who said it was a she? Anyways, I've just got my own list for Empoleon the Emperor. Basically Smogon SpecSweeper/Tank set with a few tweaked EV's.

Empoleon @ Leftovers
Modest <200HP/64SpAtk/240SpDef/4Speed>
Surf
Ice beam
Grass Know
Roar
Basically got rid of a few EV's and added 64 Special Attack EV's. Most of it's stats are average and well, it's Special Attack being it's highest stat, I though I'd put that in there for good measure. HIts a tank I know but still, the SpAtk EV's never hurt anyone. Exceept the opponent. lol XD.

 

[sims796]

I'm sorry. She? Who said it was a she? Anyways, I've just got my own list for Empoleon the Emperor. Basically Smogon SpecSweeper/Tank set with a few tweaked EV's.

Empoleon @ Leftovers
Modest <200HP/64SpAtk/240SpDef/4Speed>
Surf
Ice beam
Grass Knot
Roar
Basically got rid of a few EV's and added 64 Special Attack EV's. Most of it's stats are average and well, it's Special Attack being it's highest stat, I though I'd put that in there for good measure. HIts a tank I know but still, the SpAtk EV's never hurt anyone. Exceept the opponent. lol XD.

He, she, who give a flying crap what sex the damn thing is. I don't like how easily walled that set is. Especially since it doesn't hit hard enough. Not a failure set, though.

 

[luke]

New subject is Blaziken. Ok go!

 

[sims796]

Finally, this thread is updated.

Blazekien@Salac Berry
Nature:Adamant
Stone Edge
Flare Blitz
Sky Uppercut
Substitute
EV:252 Atk, 252 Spd

Yeah, I threw this set p together out of thin air.

 

[ABYAY]

Bout' time for a new subject.

I won't give any custom movesets for Blaziken, but I'll give my pointers about em.

Blaziken, if anything, got vastly improved this generation with more powerful moves, ability to easily utilize both of his attacking stats with different moves, Choice Scarf or even Specs, and a much more used Choice Band. However, as if we all didn't know, Infernape really makes the flaming bird fall behind in its shadow. Fortunately, Blaziken still has Agility, Baton Pass, and Reversal to its name, and if you effectively play these moves, then Blaziken becomes a wonderful team player or a powerhouse, depending on how you use it.

Blaziken@Leftovers/Life Orb
Modest/Mild/Rash
252sp.atk/252spd/6HP or 6atk

Agility
Fire Blast
Hidden Power Ice
Baton Pass/Sky Uppercut

Play this thing right, and it's either an amazing late-game cleaner or early-game basher/baton passer. Agility on a predicted switch, then attack accordingly. When you're locked against something you can't kill, Baton Pass your Agility to another needed Pokemon.

Note: If you pick Sky Uppercut, then use Life Orb for maximum damage.

 

[sims796]

That's a terrible set, & I hate you for it.

We all know Blazekien uses Overheat. It can stop a Water Pulse-ask May.

But seriously, I don't like how iffy that set is. Too many of it's moves has a chance of missing, and it is too easily walled. I'l give you this, you will be passing that Agility, no matter what.

 

[devilicious]

I prefer a variation of your set, ABYAY.

Blaziken @ Liechi / Salac Berry
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 4 Def
Adamant [if you're using Agility] / Jolly [if SD]
- Agility / Swords Dance
- Endure / Substitute
- Reversal
- Baton Pass

Of course, clearing the skies is a must for this set. It's really destroys everything that isn't immune to Fighting- and if they do have some Ghost, just Pass your boost to something that can continue the sweep. It works great. ♥

 

[sims796]

I don't remember, does Sandstorm hit through Substitute, or does it hit Sub directly?

 

[devilicious]

I don't remember, does Sandstorm hit through Substitute, or does it hit Sub directly?

It hits through Subs. That's why I said it's necessary to have a weather-changer.

 

[sims796]

Or an instant way of ridding yourself Ttar & Hippo.

I personally prefer Sub & Swords Dance, and something over Reversal. It sounds more safer. But I've never tried it, so I can talk nothing but therorymon.

 

[devilicious]

Well, I've tried going with Fire Punch [to abuse Blaze] over Reversal and it does have its merits, but Reversal was proven more useful in the end.

 

[sims796]

Agreed. Makes you less walled by...Heatran :P

 

[Dark Azelf]

Blaziken@Choice band
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Flare Blitz.
- Sky Uppercut
- Stone Edge
- Thunderpunch

=3


I tried Focus punch >> T-Punch, but T-Punch is more useful for Slowbro, Starmie etc.



Blaziken@Leftovers
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Jolly Nature
- Toxic
- Will-o-wisp
- Fire Punch
- Sky uppercut


Screws up alot of its switch ins, via "pseudo double status", Toxic that bulky water/ground type and burn that chomp/mence/Gyara !! etc, you get the drift.

Yes i am weird and put toxic on everything XD

EDIT : EVEN AZELF. TOXIC/T-WAVE/FIRE BLAST/PSYCHIC =D.

 

[Gavin]

Blaziken@Choice band
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Flare Blitz.
- Sky Uppercut
- Stone Edge
- Thunderpunch

=3


I tried Focus punch >> T-Punch, but T-Punch is more useful for Slowbro, Starmie etc.

Wow, great move set!

Blaziken@Leftovers
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Jolly Nature
- Toxic
- Will-o-wisp
- Fire Punch
- Sky uppercut


Screws up alot of its switch ins, via "pseudo double status", Toxic that bulky water/ground type and burn that chomp/mence/Gyara !! etc, you get the drift.

Yes i am weird and put toxic on everything XD

EDIT : EVEN AZELF. TOXIC/T-WAVE/FIRE BLAST/PSYCHIC =D.

Liked the idea of Toxic being there, however not a fan of Will-O-Wisp. Maybe consider Brick Break or something along the lines of a Fighting type move? Anyhow nice work mate!

 

[Dark Azelf]

Liked the idea of Toxic being there, however not a fan of Will-O-Wisp. Maybe consider Brick Break or something along the lines of a Fighting type move? Anyhow nice work mate!

2 moves of the same type on the same set is something you generally want to stay away from. I already have Sky Uppercut and Brick Break isnt contributing to coverage really when used in conjunction with it =p.

 

[Ársa]

Wow, great moveset Dark_Azelf! (JOO R NOOB) <- D_A :P

Well, I like the thought of Baton Passing, as anything this can do Infernape does better. (Apart from Blaziken having slightly higher defenses. Bulk Up is...meh, I've never liked it)

Double Status seems the way to go, just throwing it out there...CHOICE SCARF STATZIKEN. tbh, I don't see a reason to use Blaziken anywhere other than BL/UU. It shouldn't see the light of day in OU, unless you use the Double Status with efficiency. (I think Gallade does that better also though... x_X)

~T_S

 

[Aquilae]

AFAIK Blaziken is just a worse Infernape unless you're using the Baton Passing set. Infact the two sets you posted are severely outclassed by Infernape unless for some reason you don't want to use CC.

--- Just illustrating how both of the sets you posted are outclassed ----

Infernape @ Choice Band
Jolly, 4 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed

Flare Blitz (Blaze Kick is also available but like AC says, its for pussies)
Close Combat (DON'T tell me the lowering of stats are undesirable)
Thunderpunch
Stone Edge / Mach Punch / U-turn (Which Blaziken doesn't get IIRC)

Unless you would want to use Brave Bird or something.

Infernape @ Leftovers
Jolly, 4 HP/252 Attack/252 Speed

Toxic
Will-O-Wisp
Blaze Kick / Flare Blitz / Fire Punch
Close Combat

Infernape also gets 28 more points of speed and sits comfortably in its own speed tier. That way it could go Adamant to make up for the less attack (104 vs. 120).

Just use Baton Pass, or else you're just using a worse Infernape. Either that or Agility, EndRev or SubRev, all of which aren't really viable strategies on Blaziken anyway.