View Full Version : Favorite Bad Guy Team

October 3rd, 2005, 9:01 AM
Who is your favorite bad guy. Vote here then type a post saying why you voted. If you also want to vote for your favorite legendary pokemon in the Hoenn region go to the Pokemon Favorites poll. I chose Team Rocket because they're really funny. If you watch the episode "You Never Can Taillow" on Pokemon Advanced and come to the part where Team Rocket say their motto, watch for Meowth when he jumps down and says "Dat's Right". He will do a funny movement in the air.

October 3rd, 2005, 9:18 AM
Hmm... probably Team Rocket.
I prefer Butch and Cassidy over James and Jessie coz they are so dumb.

Utter Disaster
October 3rd, 2005, 3:21 PM
I voted Team Aqua above all.

October 3rd, 2005, 3:33 PM
Team Rocket of course! They're the most persistant bad guy team out there! XD

October 3rd, 2005, 8:00 PM
Magma and Aqua. Rocket is stupid!

Pikachu Three
October 3rd, 2005, 8:04 PM
They're all pretty stupid. But my site has proof of that.

October 3rd, 2005, 8:33 PM
My vote is for Team Rocket,they are the best,they were the 1st so that's why they get my vote.

October 4th, 2005, 1:30 AM
Team Rocket in the game. What they did was purely evil, like selling Pokemon in the black market etc...

Aqua/Magma are just a bunch of people who believe in one thing too much = a cult

Cybex Mewtwo
October 4th, 2005, 5:10 AM
Team rocket all the way. ^^ Their the original bad guys and no one can topple the mighty Giovanni.

October 4th, 2005, 5:17 AM
I vote Team Rocket! You gotta love um<3

October 4th, 2005, 5:34 AM
Team rocket all the way. ^^ Their the original bad guys and no one can topple the mighty Giovanni.
Except for Ash. He got the earth badge remember?

October 4th, 2005, 7:11 AM
You gotta love the clumsiness of Team Rocket!

October 4th, 2005, 1:35 PM
My favorite bad guy team is Team Aqua. =D They have the coolest Pokemon out of Team Rocket and Team Magma IMO. :33 Like Crawdaunt, Wailmer, Walrein and a bunch of other awesome water and ice type Pokemon. =3 Plus, their outfits own. XD


October 4th, 2005, 6:46 PM
team aqua cz the clothes look bad

October 4th, 2005, 7:27 PM
Team Aqua!... i love there clothes,pokemon,style and all that

October 4th, 2005, 10:13 PM
Of the lot, I'd say Rocket: the agents are more characterized nicely, the projects are more creative, more divesity. Although Magma is more successful of the trio, and some interesting male leads but Magma/Aqua's mononess rather undoes them. However, Groudon and Magma's plot is makes more sense as water covers most of the earth, why not make more?

But the Rockets play with a unique flair and have quite the determination and never give up. They're people, the rest, (like Cipher, which should be in here) are caricatures.

(Thinking of a topic...hmm, kolel makes an excellent point, hmm...)

Supreme Edgeboy Max
October 5th, 2005, 7:19 AM
Team Rocket. Why? It was them who took over Silph Co. and a lot of the Kanto Region, and the Sevii Islands. It was them who took over Goldenrod City, and them who created shiny Pokemon by making the Red Gyrados. It was them cutting off Slowpoketails and selling them.

That's evil. Not Jessie and James, but the REAL Team Rocket. Magma and Aqua, all they want are land or water.

October 6th, 2005, 11:47 AM
It's pretty close between Team Aqua and Team Rocket for me. Team Rocket was really the only "evil" team (in the games, anyway), so I hold them in high regard for that. TA and TM really thought they were doing good by trying to expand the water/land mass, so they really didn't have any evil intentions. Team Rocket only cared about making money and stealing/controlling Pokemon for their boss. It didn't matter to them if they had to hurt a few Pokemon to accomplish their goals.

However, Team Aqua has cool outfits and Pokemon *shallow XD*. Plus I love the water type, so I like them a lot for that as well.

October 6th, 2005, 1:14 PM
Well, I have to go with Team Rocket. While Magma and Aqua are awesome when it comes to fighting I really like the team of Annie & Oakley and they're TR, so that's my answer. ^^

October 7th, 2005, 8:15 AM
team rocket,and i mean the members from pokemon chronicles

demon boy
October 7th, 2005, 8:17 AM
i like team rocket because that cat was in it...

u know!!! the gay one!!

October 7th, 2005, 8:17 AM
ive never heard of team aqua and magna

ur all sad for watchin it

Supreme Edgeboy Max
October 7th, 2005, 8:20 AM
Perfect. Maxman, apprehend those criminals. I'll send a report.

Demon boy, and Moonraker. We've reported you to the authorities. There will be NO bad language in this forum.

demon boy
October 7th, 2005, 8:21 AM
we didnt use bad language on this post!!

October 7th, 2005, 8:22 AM
what do u mean bad language?

saddo is hardly a swear word

Supreme Edgeboy Max
October 7th, 2005, 8:24 AM
~_~; It is here. Gay is NOT to be used a slur word here.

I'll be now posting about you two in public.

demon boy
October 7th, 2005, 8:24 AM
gay isnt eather

so up yours

October 7th, 2005, 9:08 AM
you guys need stop now do hear me?! :17: :17: :dead: :dead:

October 7th, 2005, 10:15 AM
my fav bad guy team is Team magma...i'm all for the fire!

Alter Ego
October 7th, 2005, 10:58 AM
You can't beat a classic so Team Rocket it is. Besides, at least Giovanni is honest to himself about his own motives instead of trying to convince others, or himself, that he's doing a favour to the world, which is more than can be said for Archie or Maxie; 'Oh no, I'm not doing this for myself. If the land/sea is expanded there will be more room for people/pokmon. Everyone will be happy' <_<

To believe unshakably that you are in possession of the complete and absolute truth is to have a religion, and small and unpopular religions (Like team Aqua/Magma) are, as I believe Kohei pointed out, referred to as cults.

October 7th, 2005, 11:42 AM
I think moonmaker was refering to James. Even I really don't think James is (blank), he's just bizarre. He's had attractions to girls before but nothing in Hoenn.

Guess Hoenn women aren't that special. Shrugs. But that's not the point.

Alter Ego, you're certainly right about that about the Bosses, although should we factor in Giovanni's past into his motivations? Like his mother and the roles and obligations? Don't see any origin stuff for Magma/Aqua, special episodes or not. Although a CD Drama would be funny.

To go one step further about the organizations themselves, as I think, I see them as products of their times and deepen the personal impact/allegory. Team Rocket's theme/connection to money is more of a sign of Japan's economic dominance and becoming one of materialism (almost like America, winks) and the fact with the money with Japan's whaling, obviously feeds into the Rockets' mentality to hurt and exploit animals for profit (this is particularly observant in Pokemon Special).

On that note about the whalism, with the American liberal environmentalism plus Japan's remorse (the series is so littered with environmentistic messages) no doubt fed into Aqua/Magma in that of their playing the environment, making that the priority, although their respective final goal for more land smacks too much of Japan's overcrowding issue really. Although of the two, Magma's plan makes sense, I'm unsure about Aqua's with more water, do they plan to live underwater or evolving everyone into a fish hybrid? The organization should have scientists working on this (Heck, for Magma, they had Butler, a geneticist) or some allusion to.

Given the greed for a better life is more prevalent with most of humanity, I can see the Rockets' popularity (not to mention their diversity) being such a fan favorite for we're a stone's throw away of wearing a black uniform because of the search for money as that can lead to a better life. (Although with Magma/Aqua's fanatism, I suppose it can be timely with the Muslim Jihad/War of Terror we're engaged in but given Japan's blaiseness with that, and the more obvious issues of overcrowding and more fantasy fare, I really rather doubt that, but I did want to leave that out there).

Or course, it doesn't always work as seen with Jessie and James but that makes the human connection that more impactful than seeing a bunch of nameless fanatics kill everyone for the sake of a few's insane ambitions and...a weird detachment with that. Although that could be with the exception of Homura/Isabel, we don't see much of a human face on this.

October 7th, 2005, 1:26 PM
Team Aqua. Who wouldn't love a group of psychos trying to flood all of existence? :P

October 7th, 2005, 6:39 PM
Team Rocket you can't mess with old school.

October 7th, 2005, 8:00 PM
I like all five! Yes, I said five. I can't believe you've forgotten all about the two Teams in Orre in Pokmon Colosseum and Pokmon XD; Team Cipher and Team Snagem! Cipher happens to be just as evil as Rocket! Plus, they're the ones behind both Shadow Pokmon incidents! Unlike Magma and Aqua, Cipher's plans were simple! World domination! Snagem's also devious in that they desire to steal Pokmon from Trainers at will! Some people should also speak up about these two!

October 8th, 2005, 3:30 AM
I have something to say to Demon Boy, moonraker, and LanceLite and Maxman. If you're going to argue about something, please argue somewhere else because what you're arguing about is offtopic.

October 8th, 2005, 6:47 AM
In response to Sunflorazumarill, I do agree about including Cipher and Snagem but they weren't exactly the most memorable villains. Didn't Snagem collapse at the start of Colosseum?

And Cipher's simple plan of global domination seems just that--simple. We have the complexity of the Team Rocket stealing/profit/domination and the environmentism/cultism of Magma/Aqua. Cipher seems...too much of Silver Age comic threats. Given the creativity of the prior teams, this feels far too lazy.

All they do is just Pokemon evil and...what?

Anyone wants to prove me wrong on this, please.

saint jimmmey
October 8th, 2005, 6:59 AM
hey remember team rocket on blue/red dosen't that take you back*wipes away tear*

Alter Ego
October 8th, 2005, 7:33 AM
Rayquaza1: There's no point in that since both Demon Boy and moonraker have been banned, as happens to flamers around here, and despite what his name might imply, LanceLite and Maxman can't argue on his own.

Dark Weezing: I have to confess to being blatantly ignorant about Giovanni's history. I only saw about the first season of the anime and some stray episodes from the later ones, so most of my opinions are based on what I have piece together based on the games. Although I don't have a console so of course my knowledge might have its gaps even in that area. Also, when you put it into that context Team Magma's goal makes a lot more sense. I live in Finland where the crowding definitely isn't a problem (Well, the politicians keep lamenting the terrible lack of building space but as far as I can see that's all it is; talk). In fact, in the countryside its the sparcity of people that's causing trouble, so the whole 'expanding the land mass' thing seemed kind of daft to me. As does Team Aqua's goal. Maybe they were thinking that everyone lives on ships or something? Meh, still seems like a pretty dumb goal to aspire to unless you have somehow developed the talent to breathe underwater, but then again; religion is rarely logical.

October 8th, 2005, 8:29 AM
They're banned. Yay.

Alter, I can agree with that, I live in America and I don't have the main story that helps give more to the Giovanni character, the Birth of Myuutsu CD Drama. (4Kids won't dub it because of its rather old and too many God references. Although with the past season they're kinda lifting that) I had the internet and translations to help gel it all together.

The CD Drama is probably the only thing that gels Giovanni as a character. Season Two on, he's quite arrogant to the point of cartoonary and thus...he's not a character. Hence why I use the Special version of him because he's a Machiavellian (he times the seconds in a battle!) schemer but with his own personal issues, like his honor and roles to perform and then use the anime for the past since Special won't cover the exposition the anime lovingly provides. Email/PM me and I'll get into it with you more and help out.

Aqua/Magma: It's funny, you don't see that until you live it. America isn't overcrowded but I know that water covers 75% of the earth, so with more people, you're going to need more land. It's just with Japan, the overcrowding is obvious. Magma also has a distinction of looking more professional with the uniforms and more cultish with the hoods. They're more in the supervillain role than Aqua, who look like pirates to me and while that's good, that doesn't have that gothic streak the Rockets have or Magma's ominous ness.

The thing is, they don't do the necessary exposition for Aqua, (although I haven't played Sapphire, no time but the anime should drop a hint about this somehow within the past two years) where Magma, you more or less get it.

Of course of the two, Magma is the more successful in the anime (Success by fluke but still success at Slateport and Bannai's double cross--their first real win), whereas Aqua has failed. I wonder if the writers feel Magma has more of an cohesive logic and give them the wins, while bashing Aqua with the failures (Isabel's running away at Mt. Chimney and the Weather Institute are quite the tells). And by not elaborating on Aqua's plan to live underwater, just undermines their legitimacy further.

It's an odd angle. But then I shouldn't be surprised by the anime in their intentions to not realize the scope of a good criminal organization when they see one as they've done it before (the underuse of the Rockets).

Fury of Ninetales
October 8th, 2005, 8:58 AM
if i could pick any evil team, i'd have 2 pick Cipher. but since they aren't a choice, i chose Team Magma because i like fire types. I will agree w/ dark weezing about that TM's scheme makes more sense than TA's. While most people will say that i know nothing about fashion, but i like TM's apparel. I've always liked capes and red is my favorite color. Maxie does look too serious for my liking tho.

October 8th, 2005, 9:25 AM
i chose Team Magma because i like fire types. While most people will say that i know nothing about fashion, but i like TM's apparel. I've always liked capes and red is my favorite color. Maxie does look too serious for my liking tho.

Given how Magma is about more land and thus more earth, I think they're more Earth types (Rock, Steel, primary Ground) if anything. Although, I guess they're playing with Fire because of the heat from the lava. Shrugs.

I agree about Maxie, he's definitely the most supervillain looking of the bunch.

Giovanni: Business suit and out for a corporate lunch than a battle or a gothic look if you look at his manga/game threads. Complete with oddly colored sweater! Although I kinda like his look. Second best.

Archie: Open shirt, bandana? He looks like a refuge from the Village People. He's the missing one!

The Cipher team looks more metrosexual to me, as loathe as I hate that phrase, with the weird blending of gender fashions.

Winner! Maxie!

Espy Psyche
October 8th, 2005, 9:28 AM
I like Magma more because i like fire types.

October 9th, 2005, 12:36 PM
I prefer the Team Rocket, they are in two regions and have more technology. And they have a speaker pokemon called Meowth :D

Shining Lericon
October 10th, 2005, 6:05 AM
I like Team Aqua the best because they use Water Pokemon mostly. Water Pokemon are my favorites.

October 10th, 2005, 9:07 AM
I prefer the Team Rocket, they are in two regions and have more technology. And they have a speaker pokemon called Meowth :D

I agree about the more technology, although Magma's machine at Mt. Chimney implies that they have some technology to artificially enhance their goals if they couldn't get Groudon. Aqua...not so much, which is ironic because they need tech (genetic engineering) to succeed in their plan really.

I wouldn't say speaker Pokemon with Meowth, that was fluke and the Rockets would take credit if they could (if it wasn't for the fact he taught himself) but I'd say their speaker...well, vanguard, would have been Mewtwo. Mewtwo is the weapon from the past, and bring to the new future for the Rockets, it's more the promise of the technology, not the fundamentalism the Magma have given to Groudon and Kyorge from Aqua.

Mewtwo is a weapon. He may have some symbolism with the Madame Boss mythos, but overall, he's a means to an end. Groudon/Kyorge: they are the end.

In more ways than one.

October 10th, 2005, 1:01 PM
Team Rocket. James is pretty funny. And what they do is funny too. Espically when James acts stupid.

October 11th, 2005, 4:42 AM
Ok, Giovanni pwnz all, he is the original bad *** of off teams, noone can beat team rocket XD mwhaahah, and here is another reason for likeing team rocket


Lightning Scott
October 11th, 2005, 7:03 AM
Team rocket because There the only people to have a talking meowth. :D

The Angel of Darkness
October 11th, 2005, 7:36 AM
Team Rocket get my vote. Team Magma an Team Aqua don't really compare, and Giovanni seems like a classic criminal mastermind. And neither Magma or Aqua have their own gyms

October 11th, 2005, 10:40 AM
Good old Team Rocket gets my vote, I dont really like the other 2 ^^

October 13th, 2005, 9:43 AM
Team rocket

Jesse and James

October 14th, 2005, 6:03 AM
mines team rocket and that's just what i like so i hope you like them to

October 14th, 2005, 3:18 PM
I say Team Rocket.. Cause they just pwn.. They're never giving their plans up.. They're really persistant.. And furthermore, all the people in Team Rocket are just so powerful. Sabrina, Koga, Surge and lastly... Giovanni! Maybe Surge isn't that powerful, but he always prepares a way out before he battles. Giovanni's gonna make a comeback in the FR/LG saga anyway..

October 15th, 2005, 4:24 AM
Yes Go The Rocket Everyone Just Can't Resist Them

October 18th, 2005, 4:18 AM
*resists temptation to vote for Team Rocket*
I voted for Team Magma!
The name,to me sounds bit more...nicer?
Oh..and I wuve their fashion range!
Red hood,black pants,red hood,black skirt,red hood,red hood,red hood,red hood,red hood.
I like the red hoods.XP

October 18th, 2005, 5:23 AM
Yes Go The Rocket Everyone Just Can't Resist Them
I should check if there is a team rocket fan club cuz I wanna start 1 sinse evrybody likes 'em.

QT Plusle
October 18th, 2005, 5:38 AM
Team Aqua. Because Team rocket get annoying and well...I like water and ice pokemon better then fire pokemon! Water and Ice pokemon rule! :18:

October 18th, 2005, 5:56 AM
I made the club, and its in pokemon general, Is it supposed to be there? anyway, I called it Team Rocket Fanclub. I know this is offtopic, so don't reply to this saying it's offtopic.

Samurai X
October 18th, 2005, 5:20 PM
Team Rocket because they try over and over again but above all because of the funny.

October 19th, 2005, 4:13 AM
I have votd for Team Rocket.

Ciervo Volante
October 19th, 2005, 4:44 AM
Team Rocket all the way! Really, all black appearal, and in gold/silver/crystal, they had houndooms!! I love houndooms. Plus, there's always good ol' Jessie & James, and, really, sometimes they can say the funniest things. And I love that motto, and that "We're blasting off, again!!!!" thing. So, overall, team rocket get's my vote. ^_^

Milotic trainer
November 3rd, 2006, 2:33 AM
I vote for Team Aqua, becouse I like water Pokemon.

November 3rd, 2006, 7:47 PM
Definitely Team Rocket.. they're like.. so classic.. I'm kinda used to seeing them that, if they don't appear, (though sometimes their appearances seem kinda' ridiculous), I'd feel that the show's lacking something..

Ahh, don't we all miss "Team Rocket's blasting off again?" LOL xD

November 4th, 2006, 5:30 AM
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